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Author Topic: SMOT  (Read 69077 times)

Offline prometheus_effect

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2005, 04:15:12 PM »
Hi Kysmett,

I don't think you will get too much success by going horizontal after the drop. Better to do a direct return to the start but stay on the magnetic centre line.

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2005, 04:15:12 PM »

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2005, 04:30:55 PM »
Kysmett,

Its not the recognition I was looking for, but just wanting to know that this train of thought had been 'presented' so as not to keep repeating ourselves.  I think I'm guilty of it as well....   :-[

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2005, 06:06:28 PM »
First off, I'm moving.   ;D  So time to actually do stuff has dwindled to about zilch.

However, I plan on putting this to the test with an actual prototype of the ferrous wheel when I finish the move sometime in the next two weeks. 

Prometheus, I'm not sure what you are objecting to.  Please clarify the problem as well as your suggestion.

Thanks

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2005, 06:06:28 PM »
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PaulLowrance

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2005, 05:12:24 AM »
Dear Kysmett,

I appreciate your design and it seems legitimate to me.  Although I have suggested that these poor people, who have been sucked into what I call a distraction project, just go along with what Greg says; i.e., the ball must drop.  Otherwise they will never hear the end of Greg.  Therefore I have suggested a near zero friction based system.  Instead of a tube, they need to use a flat curved ramp, like a skateboard ramp.  Additionally and very important, the ramps surface should be made of Teflon that is lubricated with thin oil.  The ramp could be made of wood and then a thin sheet of Teflon would cover the wood ramp.  This would be cheap and highly efficient.  I have said many times that the efficiency would approach 100% but never over 100%.

They will see that the ball will come close to its starting height but never over.  In the case of famous SMOT video, the ball starts at 30mm and ends at 23mm.  That is only 77% efficiency people!

Please people, just have someone build it and get this out of your system once and for all.  This 8 year SMOT work saddens me at how much valuable free energy research time has been wasted.

Kind regards,
Paul

Offline prometheus_effect

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2005, 10:34:20 AM »
Posted on the Prometheus Effect discussion group:

--- In Prometheus_Effect@yahoogroups.com, "softwarelabus"
<softwarelabus@y...> wrote:
>
> there is no way in this world you are or anyone is going to
> beat me by getting me to waist valuable time and money building
> this machine.

Beat you? At what? Making a OU device? You lost that round in 1997
when I published the SMOT plans.

Well as least you have finally exposed yourself and revealed your
true intentions. To cast doubt, foster your own ambitions, goals and
theories.

By the way Paul, flux gate motors are not OU.

> I am here to discuss with anyone factual data, any
> step-by-step processes, and to help these people see the "the
> light."

See what "Light"? The "Light" of YOUR theories? Who appointed you or
even asked you to do this? How dare you insult the intelligence of
the other list members by talking down to them like this.

If your time is so pressed, then maybe you should stop wasting it in
this forum and show the world how you can make a OU flux gate motor.

Greg

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2005, 10:34:20 AM »
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PaulLowrance

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2005, 06:01:34 PM »
Greg,

Why do you simply copy the same message and post it in numerous places?  This is the FOURTH place you have posted this exact same message.  Are you OK?

Again, here is my reply:

+++++++++++
Greg,

"prometheus_effect" <prometheus_effect@y...> wrote:
> > there is no way in this world you are or anyone is going to
> > beat me by getting me to waist valuable time and money building
> > this machine.
>
> Beat you? At what? Making a OU device? You lost that round in 1997
> when I published the SMOT plans.

You don't seem to understand? I have clearly stated that IMHO the SMOT & so-called prometheus effect project is a distraction. So if I am convinced the SMOT and prometheus effect are false then why would I allow myself to build the machine when others have already done so. If I allowed myself to fall victim to your distraction then I would be beaten.
Cast doubt? Well, it seems I am the one who is offering science and math at your Yahoo forum. On numerous occasions I have challenged anyone to find error in my math or step-by-step process-- still no takers. I have asked you repeatedly for this so-called document that contains proof. Still to this day you have not point to the exact location of this document. You would have to know that I would find any errors in such a document if they existed.

I lost the round in 1997, Greg???  I just found out about the SMOT & so-called prometheus effect just recently this year, as in about a month or so ago.  Don't you recall?  You were the one who came to the Yahoo Group forum that Sterling so kindly created for me and you attempted to bring it down by false science claims.  You tried to find error in my research and you failed miserably.  Don't you recall the major mistake you made in the permeability & RL time constant-- how I so clearly pointed out your error?  That's how I found out about the so-called prometheus effect.  It would seem that you are the one who lost the round Greg on my forum and also back in 1997 when you claimed a looping SMOT.  Many people including Stephan talk about your old claims of looping the SMOT.  So if you had the smoking gun 8 years ago Greg, then what happened?  Can you in good conscience take these poor people another 8 years?  I'll pray tonight that these people will see the truth in you.



> By the way Paul, flux gate motors are not OU.

BTW Greg, I never said flux gate motors are OU. You are the one who
believes in Over Unity. I have repeatedly claimed that I am not a
follower of OU, but rather I prefer to use the term Free Energy.  Please quote me!  I'll be waiting.



> > I am here to discuss with anyone factual data, any
> > step-by-step processes, and to help these people see the "the
> > light."
>
> See what "Light"? The "Light" of YOUR theories? Who appointed you or
> even asked you to do this? How dare you insult the intelligence of
> the other list members by talking down to them like this.

So you think that it should be a dictatorship society? That people
cannot come to your prometheus_effect forum to offer math and step-by-step processes to disprove you?



> If your time is so pressed, then maybe you should stop wasting it in
> this forum and show the world how you can make a OU flux gate motor.

Please by all means show these people where I stated the flux gate motor is OU? You are the one who believes in OU. I have clearly stated many times that I am not a follower of OU but rather free energy.  There is a vast difference. I think you are now grasping at straws to the point of trying to put words in my mouth. You put words in my mouth without quoting me.  I'll be waiting and will remind you of it.

I think your days are coming to an end Greg.  People are now posting your 8-year-old posts.  Even people such as Joe are now questioning you.  My motives are to help people free themselves with Truth.  I am not trying to judge you.  Believe me Greg, there is a far greater judge then I!!!

Wasting my time?  I think about the well being of other people Greg. Do you understand getting past the Me Me Me stage?  Why do so many people in modern society have such difficulty with being of service to others; i.e., getting past the "Me" stage, spending ones time helping others.  I have signed up for numerous local projects to help the community.  It's called Unconditional Love.  It's called being spiritual.  It's called being a good person.  It's called Pure Logic.  Even the character portrayed in Star Trek known as Spoke said while sacrificing his life to others, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Sincerely,
Paul

Offline prometheus_effect

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2005, 12:23:25 PM »
Guys,

I would like to enlist the aid of some of the members of the
OU / Free Energy community to independently verify the
virtually no magnetic dragback exit of the Prometheus Effect.
To that end I will provide a SMOT device and the new lossless
measurement system at no cost. In return you will be asked
to do a series of measurement on the SMOT device and report
back your results & comments either way. The SMOT device
and the measurement system will be yours to keep.

To that end I would like to ask the following for their so kind assistance:

1) Bill Beaty (Vortex)
2) Scott Little or Hal Puthoff (Vortex)
3) Jed Rothwell (Vortex)
4) Terry Blanton (Vortex)
5) Keith Nagel (Vortex)
6) Jean-Louis Naudin (JLN Labs)
7) Stefan Hartman (Overunity.com)
8) Cyril Smith (OU Builders)
9) David Squires (OU Builders)

Now it's just engineering effort, time and money,
Greg

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2005, 12:23:25 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2005, 10:29:29 PM »
Okay Greg, sounds good.
Let me know, when you have it ready.I will
then post a video of my measurements.

Regards, Stefan

PaulLowrance

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2005, 10:40:51 PM »
I would like to enlist the aid of some of the members of the
OU / Free Energy community to independently verify the
virtually no magnetic dragback exit of the Prometheus Effect.
To that end I will provide a SMOT device and the new lossless
measurement system at no cost. In return you will be asked
to do a series of measurement on the SMOT device and report
back your results & comments either way. The SMOT device
and the measurement system will be yours to keep.

To that end I would like to ask the following for their so kind assistance:

1) Bill Beaty (Vortex)
2) Scott Little or Hal Puthoff (Vortex)
3) Jed Rothwell (Vortex)
4) Terry Blanton (Vortex)
5) Keith Nagel (Vortex)
6) Jean-Louis Naudin (JLN Labs)
7) Stefan Hartman (Overunity.com)
8) Cyril Smith (OU Builders)
9) David Squires (OU Builders)

Are you asking all these people to validate the same design?  If so then what good is that going to do Greg?  So far you don't have any proof of FE much less OU.  Why don't you work on your own research and until you have real proof then drag everyone into this distraction.  I just don't understand your motives.

Paul

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2005, 10:40:51 PM »
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Re: SMOT
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »
Paul calm down,
just only, because you don?t understand the working of a SMOT,
does not mean, everybody is thinking this way...

PaulLowrance

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2005, 11:55:35 PM »
Paul calm down,
just only, because you don?t understand the working of a SMOT,
does not mean, everybody is thinking this way...

I kind of feel sorry for you Stefan.  I'm probably 10 times calmer than you but I don't feel the need to tell people to calm down.

Stefan, I have asked you repeatedly to show your math and science.  You never take me up on my offer and all you do is make claims.

May I ask what your last project was that you were pushing?

Paul

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2005, 11:55:35 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2005, 12:00:50 AM »
Paul,when I get a SMOT from Greg  I will test it.
In this moment I am busy with 2 years worth of TAX reports, that
keep me away from building something.
ALso in about 2 weeks when the reports are done,
I will continue the Marcus Wagner circuit first,
which is still lying on my table in parts.


Then I will also see with a 3D magnetic simulator,
how a much longer SMOT ramp can be modeled with less parts and
2 iron plates on each side of the smot ramp and get an easier
blue hole exit.

Regards, Stefan.

Offline prometheus_effect

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2005, 09:17:51 AM »
Okay Greg, sounds good.
Let me know, when you have it ready.I will
then post a video of my measurements.

Hi Stefan,

Thanks for that.

I should have the SMOT kits, with the new measurement system, ready in about 2 - 3 weeks. Can you send me, via private email, your delivery details?

Greg

Offline prometheus_effect

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2005, 01:20:20 PM »
Hi Stefan,

I tried to attach a 2.5mb animated GIF but your server refused it. It was the latest and biggest animated GIF in the Video section of the PE site. Maybe you could post it somewhere others could get a look. It amazing to see a SMOT climb and drop in slow motion, especially the exit as the ball losses it KE, almost stops, just rolls over the edge and drops vertically straight down.

Greg

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2005, 06:34:31 PM »
Hi Greg,
this GIF is too big,
I am attaching to this message an AVI file which In converted to 1 frame/sec
which is only about 400 Kbytes big !
Regards, Stefan.

 

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