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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2005, 10:46:00 AM »
here is something kind of like it.
http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/ffsmot

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2005, 10:46:00 AM »

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2005, 03:01:05 AM »
Well done,
but the ramps are much too small.
You need at least a 1 Meter ramp with at least a gain or 20 cm in height
to overcome all the frictions involved.
These small ramps with only a height gain of 1 inch (2.5 cms or so) do not make any sense.

With iron plates face to face into the ramp you can use less
magnets.
So each side ramp stator side will then have 2 iron plates !
this makes the fields also more equal inside the ramp and
then the ball can be sucked up into more height and can
also better dropped.

It all depends on the field setup inside the ramp.

Also at the end to turn the iron plates by 90 degrees above the
ramp gives a much easier exit as Greg Watson has shown
in his recent ramp magnet field simulations.


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Re: SMOT
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2005, 08:13:28 AM »
I take the following post very seriously.

I just wanted to warn everyone that IMHO this SMOT is either a scam or people are really wasting their time.  I am firm believer in free energy research but this is one of the worst and most obvious designs I have ever seen.  This is so obvious that I can only conclude this is an attempt to waist the time of legitimate researchers.

Please read the thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prometheus_Effect/message/233

In the thread I offer two valid tests to see if this is free energy.

After studying this Prometheus Effect, here are my two conclusions:

1. I am 100% certain that the ball dropped straight down will experience more friction loss than the ball that dropped with more horizontal velocity.
2. I am very certain, not 100%, that there is no free energy in this SMOT or Prometheus Effect.

If I am wrong then I would be more than happy to be quiet and sit down.  I see videos dated back to 1999.  I am told the only people who claim over unity never revealed their secret designs.  Additionally I see posts as such,

"If you would make a few movies of the rotational device, so one could see for clear, that it is no fake and postthis widely on the Internet, you will get instantaneously much interest in it and will also ATTRACT MUCH RESEARCH MONEY to develop it further."

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2005, 08:13:28 AM »
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Re: SMOT
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2005, 09:56:11 AM »
Paul,
you simply ignore the facts...
You just don?t have studied it enough when we
did study it already in 1999.

I agree, that it would better to have a longer much
higher ramp to see the effect much better or have Greg shown
his closed loop device.

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 10:28:27 AM »
here is a video

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 10:28:27 AM »
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Re: SMOT
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2005, 10:33:55 AM »
:)

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2005, 05:05:06 PM »
Dear Stefan,

--- In Prometheus_Effect@yahoogroups.com, "overunity2001" <harti@h...>
wrote:
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> Paul,
> you simply ignore the facts...
> You just don�t have studied when we
> did study it already in 1999.

I ignore the facts? Seems the other way around Stefan. You still can't point out the error in my assessment. You just keep saying it
doesn't matter, yet you even just now finally admitted it would be better to change the tests.


> I agree, that it would better to have a longer much
> higher ramp to see the effect much better or have Greg shown
> his closed loop device.

Thank you for at least admitting the tests need improvement. Making the ramp higher is not going to prove anything Stefan. I am working on free energy research but it is this constant fuzzy logic that destroys the reputation of this industry. I am embarrassed to mention my research to any real scientist.

I gave you two legitimate separate tests. One of them is extremely simple, cheap, and would take hardly any time. Why can't you address that? I have asked you numerous times. What exactly happens if you place a flat horizontal surface such as glass or whatever at the end of the SMOT? Does the steel ball break free from the permanent magnets? If so, which I very much doubt, then could someone upload a video of it?

Sincerely,
Paul

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2005, 05:05:06 PM »
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PaulLowrance

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2005, 05:07:55 PM »
Dear FreeEnergy,

I am uncertain if your posts pertain to my suggested test.  If so then it's not relavent because you are still dropping the ball down to a lower level then where it started.  Could someone just be straightforward here and tell me what happens when you replace the ramp with a flat surface? ... at the same level where the ball moves up to of course.

Paul

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2005, 05:36:01 PM »
Paul,

The ball will not break free if there is a level area at the top.  I fail to see, however, how that discredits this from being significant.  I agree with you that there is a friction loss at the fall, because all of the verticle momentum is lost on impact.

Here is what I propose as a cure for this:

At the top, in order to transition to the original level a quarter round piece should be used so that the verticle momentum is translated into the horizontal.  This will give the momentum needed to reach the next 'gate'.

If this is done, then the next step will be to try and get measurable 'work' out of this.  To take it from novelty to application.  If you look at the jpegs I posted, I have already hypothesized how this can be accomplished.

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2005, 05:36:01 PM »
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Re: SMOT
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2005, 07:23:34 PM »
Dear Kysmett,

The ball will not break free if there is a level area at the top.? I fail to see, however, how that discredits this from being significant.? I agree with you that there is a friction loss at the fall, because all of the verticle momentum is lost on impact.

This would be a way to prove free energy.? The fact that the ball cannot break free from the magnets is that much more evidence this is not a free energy or OU system.? Additionally it provides a near zero friction method of proving free energy.? If they can't get the ball to break free from magnets then it proves no OU.? If it truly is OU then all they would have to do is lower ramp angle so that the magnets will pull the ball even faster.? In other words, the ball would climb at a more level angle.? If it is truly OU then there should be a low enough angle where the ball would escape the magnets.? I would even accept low angles such as -> ball starting level is 30mm, ball ending level after magnets is 30.5mm.? If it's 13% efficient then surely the ball could break free with only 0.5mm height difference.? As you know, the magnet fulling force remains the same but since the magnets don't have to pull the ball up as steep angle then he ball will accelerate faster.? I don't think they can do it because this whole idea is crazy.? I see it as a balanced system. In other words, first half of cycle the magnets pull against gravity, then second half of cycle is just a reverse of gravity pulling against magnets.


Here is what I propose as a cure for this:

At the top, in order to transition to the original level a quarter round piece should be used so that the verticle momentum is translated into the horizontal.? This will give the momentum needed to reach the next 'gate'.

If this is done, then the next step will be to try and get measurable 'work' out of this.? To take it from novelty to application.? If you look at the jpegs I posted, I have already hypothesized how this can be accomplished.

If I get time I'll look at your idea, but this thing about friction is easy to disprove.? Why not use Teflon 1/4 tube with lubricant.? The friction would drop considerably, but they'll find that the ball will never go higher than it started.? The videos I saw start at 30mm and went to 23mm.

I am told this distraction has been taking place since 1997.? Hey, they don't need to kill scientists anymore.? They only need to have dozens of people flood this community with garbage and noise as distractions.? Extremely clever if true.? Since it's such a clever and obviously effective idea then don't you think they would do it, at least the trillion dollar oil companies?? It's perfectly legal.? It's so easy to waiste peoples time.? Look at how much of my time is already wasted on this SMOT.? IMHO the RV is yet another example.

I'll be happy when the world gets free energy.

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2005, 09:26:30 PM »
The SMOT demonstrates principles that are largely misunderstood and far from optimally exploited.? One could do better to consider an overbalancing wheel option which employs similar dynamics but for a reversal of materials and makes use of magnetic induction on the falling side such that a capacitor collects energy and provides power for a well timed EM pulse by way of an efficient electromagnet.


This breaks a single magnet free to close the loop.


"All for one and one for all"


You get the idea....


Or is it:


"All for one and two for tea" you see...



Naudin has singed his wings......on various occasions.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2005, 09:46:11 PM by TechStuf »

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2005, 11:15:26 PM »
Here is something interesting.  If you applied the convention vertically in stead of horizontally, mounting the balls on a non-ferrous arm and outside of the track that they travel place your magnets, so that there is only one magnet breaking free at a time and the force of attraction of the remaining (in the concept picture posted: 7) balls would overcome the sticking point for the one that is breaking free.  There would not be a balance point. 
I call it the ferrous wheel, in hommage to TS's apparent affinity to word play.

Comments?

Offline TechStuf

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2005, 12:03:14 AM »
Well, I can't say it's all play, and my greater affinity is for infinity.......hey,? I see what you mean!

 ;)


P.S.

Ferrous Wheel,? I liked that!? And the descriptor below the diagram....."He that seeks to master the wheel, must first possess ______ of ______"


Kysmett,? I gotta say....I like your style of inspiration.  You might be close to something new, here.

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Re: SMOT
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2005, 12:25:26 AM »
Geeeeez!  Am I the only one who sees my posts??? 

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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2005, 03:55:14 PM »
Ken, 

Yes, I saw it.  In fact I drew quite a bit from it.  There is another post that I tried to illustrate that I think has fallen on deaf ears, and in hindsight it was inferior to this one.  I take in everything I read and try to build on it.  Thanks for the inspiration and I hope that I have returned the favor.  Sorry for the lack of recognition.  I read so much that half the time I forget where I am drawing from, only that 'I read somewhere.."
You said you were working on something to this effect, I hope that I haven't stepped on your toes or anything.  Let me know how this is going.

 

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