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Author Topic: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research  (Read 85197 times)

gammarayburst

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Drawings to better understand Pseudo Solid Switcher
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2011, 11:33:38 PM »
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Low-Q

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2011, 06:07:37 PM »
Butch,


Stick to one idea, build it, test it, and go on if in don't work. You have many ideas, but the last ones cant determine the direction of rotation or movement due to equal conditions in both directions.


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gammarayburst

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2011, 07:22:54 PM »
Butch,


Stick to one idea, build it, test it, and go on if in don't work. You have many ideas, but the last ones cant determine the direction of rotation or movement due to equal conditions in both directions.


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You are totally incorrect.

gammarayburst

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Minor changes, drawing attached
« Reply #78 on: January 01, 2012, 02:20:49 AM »
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Low-Q

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2012, 09:58:55 PM »
I don't follow. It seams the fixed part is bigger on left drawing than the other (or was it the opposite). Could you demonstrate this with an animation in 3D?


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norman6538

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2014, 02:25:22 AM »

considering this annimation http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv
and this basic principle

Two like polarity facing magnets will repel and push away
only after they have been squeezed together similar to a coil spring.

it boils down to this -
two adjacent magnets with the same polarity up will repel each other
but if placed on a metal plate they will NOT repel.
then easily moving/sliding one magnet across a metal gap to another plate switches to a repel of the two plates -  and without having to squeeze first.  maybe  ???
But then when returning the moved magnet to the original
place will there have to be a squeeze?

I have measured this and there is some visible evidence
that the repel of two magnets is greater than then repel
with those magnets on metal which effectively diffuses
that repel force.

Norman

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2014, 06:39:00 PM »
considering this annimation http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv
and this basic principle

Two like polarity facing magnets will repel and push away
only after they have been squeezed together similar to a coil spring.

it boils down to this -
two adjacent magnets with the same polarity up will repel each other
but if placed on a metal plate they will NOT repel.
then easily moving/sliding one magnet across a metal gap to another plate switches to a repel of the two plates -  and without having to squeeze first.  maybe  ???
But then when returning the moved magnet to the original
place will there have to be a squeeze?

I have measured this and there is some visible evidence
that the repel of two magnets is greater than then repel
with those magnets on metal which effectively diffuses
that repel force.

Norman
I think this must be tested in practice to understand it. It is hard to imagine all forces in a magnetic design like this or other designes just by looking on them. The animation shows how it is suppose to work, and that confuse the mind when trying to analyze why it does not work. Because, devices that is designed as a closed loop will never produce excess energy. The math adds up without exceptions - resulting in zero output.




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norman6538

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2014, 06:44:23 PM »
So Low-q how do you propose getting out of the closed loop?
My brain won't stretch that far.

Norman


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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2014, 06:55:05 PM »
So Low-q how do you propose getting out of the closed loop?
My brain won't stretch that far.

Norman
The only way to get out of the closed loop is to allow external energy to run it. But then you could instead used the external energy source to run something useful directly instead of going through this magnet/iron design first :-)


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Newton II

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2014, 03:32:17 AM »

considering this annimation http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv



Interesting animation.  But the rolling magnets should only collide with fixed magnet and roll back even if they don't experience repulsion from fixed magnet.  Why do you expect it to climb up the fixed magnet lifting its own weight against repulsion?

I think if you make few design changes IT WILL WORK!!


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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2014, 09:23:11 AM »

Interesting animation.  But the rolling magnets should only collide with fixed magnet and roll back even if they don't experience repulsion from fixed magnet.  Why do you expect it to climb up the fixed magnet lifting its own weight against repulsion?

I think if you make few design changes IT WILL WORK!!
The magnets are not fully shielded, so therfor the moving magnet will not approach the stationary one without effort. There will be repulsion between the magnets - relatively strong repulsion. To reduce this repulsion, the magnets must be shielded better, but then the iron pieces will not repel eachother that well anymore.
This design does not work. If one add force in one place, another place will be weak. This is a closed loop and must give and take equally. The sum is therfor zero. A closed loop cannot produce energy. It will procude exact the same amount of energy as when no parts are moving at all.


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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2014, 10:24:05 AM »

I think if you make few design changes IT WILL WORK!!


 
I agree.  It can be made to work!

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2014, 10:56:57 AM »

 
I agree.  It can be made to work!
Don't trust your imagination when it comes to over unity machines. Your own bubble of imaginary reality doesn't change the real world ;-)
Sorry. It will not work.


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norman6538

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2014, 12:59:19 PM »
Newton II said " I think if you make few design changes IT WILL WORK!!"

Therefore what design changes do you suggest?
I'm all ears.

Norman

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2014, 04:05:46 PM »
Newton II said " I think if you make few design changes IT WILL WORK!!"

Therefore what design changes do you suggest?
I'm all ears.

Norman

 
Making the magnets to climb up the repelling fixed magnets as shown in your simulation would be a difficult task.   You may have to suspend these magnets by a solid bar as shown by Gammarayburst in his first video and  provide a iron channel below as shown in your simulation to cover repulsion upto some distance before the fixed magnets.  Magnets swing and pass through the sticky point by momentum at the edge of the channel and get repelled by the fixed magnets.  Which will (may) push the swinging magnets back to its original position repeating the cycle.   The iron channel provided should cover the  faces of swinging magnets completely,  totally neutralizing the flux.