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Author Topic: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research  (Read 85438 times)

powercat

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 12:01:35 AM »
Quote from: gammarayburst on December 01, 2011, 11:18:54 PM
No, it's probably eddy current drag or friction in the bearings. There is no weak sticky spot. The eddy current drag can be eliminated in a production design. The bearings are new I believe and never "run in".

That may be so, but it did look like it stopped where you would hope it wouldn't.

Any chance you can slightly tilt the arm so a little bit of gravity would show the arm swinging free  and then placed the block,
we could then compare the two................. only a thought
 
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gammarayburst

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Special Thanks To Mark And Nicolas
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2011, 12:13:35 AM »
I want to thank Mark for all the work, time and money he has put into our projects over these many years. He can take a 2D drawing I send him and fabricate a machine in half a day or less. He can build anything and it's always a better design than I send him. But most of all he has stuck with us and never gave up.
Nicolas has made us countless 3D animations for so many years and never charged us. With out his animations the public would have a hard time figuring out how our designs work.
Both Mark and Nicolas have also provided very much input for concepts, design and theory of operation.
We have a great team and have worked together with ease all these years.
Thanks guys!
Butch
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gammarayburst

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2011, 12:17:11 AM »
Quote from: powercat on December 02, 2011, 12:01:35 AM
That may be so, but it did look like it stopped where you would hope it wouldn't.

Any chance you can slightly tilt the arm so a little bit of gravity would show the arm swinging free  and then placed the block,
we could then compare the two................. only a thought
The arm can't swing free unless there is another closed bars set to pull to. The magnet would grab on to the end of the closed bar set the way it is in the test. Hope I understand what you are saying.
Butch
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powercat

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2011, 12:31:22 AM »
Quote from: gammarayburst on December 02, 2011, 12:17:11 AM
The arm can't swing free unless there is another closed bars set to pull to. The magnet would grab on to the end of the closed bar set the way it is in the test. Hope I understand what you are saying.
Butch

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can't swing free unless there is another closed bars set to pull to
I don't understand why you have not shown a working device, continuous swinging or continuous rotation
surely if you have the Eureka moment nothing would stop you trying to make one,
I can only hope that you have and your just building up to it.
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Cloxxki

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2011, 12:55:57 AM »
I apologize for my stupidity. I see absolutely nothing new (yet). The arm is brought into place first (Mr. Hand), then a small movement of the stator makes it "jump".
Can the arm be swung out of its end position freely, back to the starting point, or is it cogged? The fact that it bounced back rather than continued a nice swing kindof answers my question, I'm afraid.


Sorry, but this is as unclear a demonstration as I've ever seen it. All the V-smots look more impressive, quite frankly.


If you have new method of using magnets without cogging, a better method of showing it is needed.
Is that little jump the part where work is to be extracted? Can the arm and stator be placed back after it, with this work extracted?


The greatest inventors are the worst at demonstrating their work, especcially in the FE field, so don't let that put you off.


I think you need a setup with fixed stator, a displaced rotor, and it then being reset at a fraction of the work that can be extracted in the little jump. An out of phase star configuration might do it, if you have what you think you have.


The build quality of your setup is just amazing. Unfortunately, a simple Lego kit could have saved you the time, money and effort for further projects.
Please verify your validy well before you build more. Your skills and time are valueble to this movement.


Good luck,
J
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gammarayburst

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2011, 02:50:36 AM »
You need to study our youtube site, LaFonte Research. Also research the "fanner principle" that has used around for 100 years in industry.
It will come to you in time I promise.
Butch
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gammarayburst

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 02:56:43 AM »
The cheapest way to demo this principle may be to have a long track and let it run down it.
Materials cost money though. Also, people would just say that we had a hidden string pulling it or something like that.
Butch
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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2011, 11:31:06 AM »
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Also, people would just say that we had a hidden string pulling it or something like that.
A lot of people are already not believing you've done anything special, if you have a working device people would  be interested in replicating, if you know your device works why would you care if people said it was a fraud, there would be enough successful replication within days or weeks that would make you the most famous person in history and shut the sceptics out for ever.

it just doesn't make sense that you don't have a working unit if you have a working principle.
some people will think you haven't got a working device because your principal doesn't work

I have not seen anything new to get me rushing to the shops to build a device from scratch using a design that has not been shown.

if you're not going to show a working device lets hope somebody here is brave enough to give it a go.

We could really do with more input from experienced magnet guys, maybe they will feel like making something
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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2011, 12:31:46 PM »
Quote from: gammarayburst on December 02, 2011, 02:56:43 AM
The cheapest way to demo this principle may be to have a long track and let it run down it.
Materials cost money though. Also, people would just say that we had a hidden string pulling it or something like that.
Butch
Visit your local scrap yard, builders yard, wood shop (for free offcuts), ask on Freecycle?
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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 04:55:59 PM »
Quote from: powercat on December 02, 2011, 11:31:06 AM
A lot of people are already not believing you've done anything special, if you have a working device people would  be interested in replicating, if you know your device works why would you care if people said it was a fraud, there would be enough successful replication within days or weeks that would make you the most famous person in history and shut the sceptics out for ever.

it just doesn't make sense that you don't have a working unit if you have a working principle.
some people will think you haven't got a working device because your principal doesn't work

I have not seen anything new to get me rushing to the shops to build a device from scratch using a design that has not been shown.

if you're not going to show a working device lets hope somebody here is brave enough to give it a go.

We could really do with more input from experienced magnet guys, maybe they will feel like making something
I have always believed that if someone thinks our principle works then the last thing they will do is demo it here. They will go straight to the patent office with it. But at least we are time dated here. Plus 25 years of research and development leading up to this. One thing that is for sure it works just as good as the other overunity machines to date, which are zero to my knowledge. Also about others building, well a large percentage of the list people don't build, they just comment. We will show a working device as money and time permit. We will go about it like no one has ever done it before, we will put it on full time plubic display. I don't mean the web, I mean out in public for people to see up close in person, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Butch
 
Be kind,
Butch
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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2011, 04:01:34 AM »
Amazing work! You've truly earned my respect. 
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gammarayburst

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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2011, 02:21:22 AM »
Quote from: Cairun on December 03, 2011, 04:01:34 AM
Amazing work! You've truly earned my respect.
Thanks so much for your support. It means everything to our group.
Butch
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gammarayburst

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Getting closer to a self runner design, see attached
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2011, 02:31:44 AM »
See attached
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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2011, 10:02:35 PM »
I'm sorry, but I really can't see in which part the pendulum in the video is suppose to be over unity. None of the three videos shows this clear to me. What energy was used to position the pendulum in the first place?


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Re: Video On line, Proof Of Overunity With Permanent Magnets, LaFonte Research
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2011, 02:45:39 AM »
 I watched the videos and they do not prove overunity using permament magnets. Magnetic fields are equal. You can not escape the oposite without using an outside energy source. Now you can however utilise the movement to the oposite by collecting energy gained from that movement and then use that energy to help overcome the oposite.
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