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Author Topic: Flynn PP Motor Idea  (Read 29010 times)

jake

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2006, 04:11:20 AM »
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Cutting laminents will only effect the annealing of the lam very close to the cut.

By laser cutting, or no matter how you cut them?

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2006, 06:00:09 AM »
JackH,

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Cutting laminents will only effect the annealing of the lam very close to the cut.  In most casses this will not hurt them.

  Are you serious? Cool, because that was worrying me. So then I should be able to cut them with tin snips in this motor design and it not affect the output? I'm only using them for magnetic attractiveness, not for an electromagnet. You seem to have alot of experience with this thats why I'm asking. I read somewhere that sticking them in a cooking oven on broil for 4 hours would also aneal them, do you think that would work?


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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2006, 08:21:37 AM »

From what I've read about the annealing, there's more to it than that.

Lowering the temp has to be done very carefully and over several hours.
Also the annealing chambers are filled with inert gasses to prevent oxidizing the plates.

Oxidizing could also be a problem if you use one of the water jet cutters.

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Offline Tink

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2006, 12:48:34 PM »
Isn't rust a good electrical insulator to prevent eddy currents?
It could even be helpfull I think when the plates have an even layer of rust on them.
Just a thought :)
When you want to heat iron for a few hours and then slowly get them to cool down, take a charcoal BBQ put the iron plates in the middle of the charcoal and then light it.
Take them out the next day and you have a great end product!

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2006, 06:23:44 AM »
Hello Drak,

When I cut my laminets and then put them togather, I sandwitch them between two aluminum plates with bolts.   After that I then machine them to the shape that I want.   I have tested them before and after the machining process, very small, if any problem with them.   One thing you may also want to consider is placing a piece of paper between each and every plate.   This will make sure that they are insulated from each other.   I always do that.  Takes some time, but it pay's off.  It is very importent that electrical current cannot travel between laminates. Also if you use bolts to hold them togather, make sure that they are insulated from the laminets too.


Don't try your oven on the laminets.  You will end up with junk.  The annealing process is very complicated.

Later,,,,JackH

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2006, 11:26:40 PM »
Hello and ola gyula,
Asaokas attourney will only be the "gate" to Asaoka himself,
and it is clear that we can work in HU or POR and other countries
except US,DE,JP privately or in commercial manner with his
invention objects !
But we would have to invest more "time" into the trial/error !!!
When he,Asaoka, wrote that his device can be realized with
"low cost" conditions,why should we not ask him what he
understands as "low cost" ?
What he exspects as honoration for an eventual team-work.
His -only JP- publication of an AC-amplifier is from my view
the "nonplusultra",the concept is easier than
Menzer(commutation difficulty !) !!!

Sincerely
            de Lanca


Ol? Lanca,

Could you refer to where Asaoka wrote his device's low
cost realization? In one of his patents? 

He has got at least 7 JP, 3 US, 3 EP, 1 CN and 1 DE
patents I am aware of.

And Which JP patent do you refer to as an AC
amplifier?

A letter costs nothing to write it is sure, why have
not you written to the attorney as yet? Or you have
already written to him, what is his address, (maybe
e-mail)?

I have too many questions, don't I?  :o)

Obrigado!

Gyula

PS1: I do not want to market/manufacture any device,
I wish to build overunity device for myself to prove it
is possible, then maybe run it in my own home to ease
the rates, right?

PS2: I wrote the above letter to you on 21 July as a
personal message inside overunity.com but probably you
did not notice it (I do not know how it signals to the
addressee he got a personal message.)


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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2006, 01:15:52 AM »
Hello gyula,
I do not controle the message board,please you for pardon !

To the questions:

US5926083:page 2,line 36-38"This dynamo can also be downsized
                and made available at low prices."

                "low prices" versus "low cost",do you differ ?

JP2003009558:method and apparature for power generation
                    from the explaination: AC-power in and
                    amplified AC-power out
                    =AC-amplifier                   

After a call with his german attourney association
 Dreiss,Fuhlendorf,Steimle&Becker I received some weeks later
a FAX from Mr.Takashi Hatakeyama(Sept.20,2005),
the japanese patent attourney of Mr.Asaoka Keiichiro.


Since this time I did not react,
because our local,often confuse,"individuals-team-work" !

Mr.Keiichiro offers important solutions,
from all static dynamo inventors
 (except Patrick,Bearden&al.;Pasichiniskyj,"the real MEG-inventor")
we know that -he- is alive
and both sides should respect the relation-ship-value and
potentials !
   
Sincerely
            de Lanca

p.s.:Mr.Bruce Perrault can probably tell us more about    Mr.Pasichiniskyj ("alias-..." ?) and his work !
« Last Edit: June 29, 2006, 02:43:21 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2006, 01:15:52 AM »
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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2006, 06:03:02 PM »
JackH,

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When I cut my laminets and then put them togather, I sandwitch them between two aluminum plates with bolts.   After that I then machine them to the shape that I want.   I have tested them before and after the machining process, very small, if any problem with them.

  Cool, that saves me some time. Thanks :)

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One thing you may also want to consider is placing a piece of paper between each and every plate.   This will make sure that they are insulated from each other.   I always do that.  Takes some time, but it pay's off.  It is very importent that electrical current cannot travel between laminates. Also if you use bolts to hold them togather, make sure that they are insulated from the laminets too.

  I assume you mean during operation of the laminates, not machining. What will adding the paper do? Reduce back emf, or make it use less power as an electro magnent, or both? That is very helpfull, I would never have thought of that. Could I use paint instead?

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Don't try your oven on the laminets.  You will end up with junk.  The annealing process is very complicated.

  Noted, Thanks for the reply. Sets my mind at ease. Will try the paper thing tonight.

  Again Thanks :)


 Drak

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2006, 02:36:45 AM »
Hello Drak,

I talked to a rep at GE one time about puting the paper between laminets, also about painting them.  He advised me to go the paper rought, some paints are anti-magnetic and could cause a problem.

The paper between plates will almost cause histeress to be totally eliminated. The permanent magnets will have less resistence in the laminets and work much better.

Later,,,,,JackH

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2006, 12:14:54 PM »
... is clear that we can work in HU or POR and other countries
except US,DE,JP privately or in commercial manner with his
invention objects !
...

FYI, at one point US 5,926,083 was in an expired state, so pursuit in US may also be possible.  (I think it has remained thus, but have not checked recently.  ?Why was it allowed to expire?)

http://www.uspto.gov/go/og/2003/week37/patexpi.htm


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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2006, 05:41:26 PM »
under this circumstances,
yes(!),
it is since 2003 also "open source" for the U.S.A.-area.
Many thanks for the notice !!!
It is expired because he did not pay more the "fee",
why ?-this I do not know.
I will also look after the actual german state !
So the german patent result:week 50/2003,not payment of the fee !

S
  dL
« Last Edit: July 09, 2006, 05:57:55 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2011, 09:34:42 PM »
Ok, my attempt at this failed, mainly because of sturdiness. It did collapse in on itself mainly when energized. Will post pictures for reference anyhow. I also think i might have gotten the metal plates spaced too close together, but oh well. Maybe I will work on it more if I ever get a real shop.  :)

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Re: Flynn PP Motor Idea
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2011, 09:37:48 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2011, 09:44:58 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2011, 09:46:49 PM »
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