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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 719596 times)

Offline picowatt

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2145 on: April 11, 2012, 06:19:09 AM »
Rosemary,

You needn't bother with respondinng to my last post.  I can see from your past few posts that all efforts were in vain.

So, yes, I stand by my "considered opinion" as you put it.

To all, I will close tonight with a cut from a great album, from a really great guy, one of the nicest, down to Earth  people you could ever meet.

Play it loud, killer drum track!

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2146 on: April 11, 2012, 06:31:06 AM »
No Poynty.  You actually wouldn't want me to circulate that.  Or if you do - then you must also know that you're simply circulating a great number of utterly erroneous annotations. 
Not at all Rosemary. I have no shame in that annotated diagram. I know it is annotated correctly. So please do circulate it, I insist (with respect).

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The OFFSET value has NOTHING to do with a 'graticule' reference.  It has EVERYTHING to do with that little line at each channel reference.  It indicates the zero crossing line.

The "ofs" offset number indicates the voltage offset (or difference) between "that little line at each channel reference" as you reference it, and the middle horizontal graticule I've highlighted in green. I've shown this offset with the double-ended arrows in two cases (orange and fuchsia) in the diagram.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2147 on: April 11, 2012, 06:48:29 AM »
MileHigh - I've just taken a read through my last few posts.  I see NOTHING that I've written related to the quote that you made'I was not factoring in whatever is stated by you in the following quote:' Where did I say that?  Or are you referring to something you said?  Not sure what this is about MileHigh.  You'll need to explain.  Which means that I'm not sure of the source of your merriment here...
I had to LOL about that one!  We need secret decoder rings!
nor for that matter what you mean by this?
C'mon Rosie Posie you need to shift gears.  Did you see that nice annotated diagram explaining the meaning of the DSO offsets to you that Poynt made?
And MileHigh I'm OLD.  What does 'grok' mean?  I've never been able to work it out.
You have to grok Rosie....  Grok grok grok....  And then thank Poynt for making the effort to explain the concept to you.
And while I'm always ready to thank any valid contribution to this discussion - I'm afraid Poynty's annotations are a 'tad' out.
Try getting over some small learning humps.  Take some baby steps.The goal should be to draw up a simple test plan that everyone agrees on and do the actual testing.  You are going to be in shock when light bulbs dim out sooner than you expect.  We dare you to follow through and prove us wrong!
Frankly MileHigh - I'm also anxious to find this out.
 

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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2148 on: April 11, 2012, 06:49:05 AM »
You know what I have said... We are not mindless guppies swimming against the glass in a fishbowl.
Glad to hear this.
   Logic and reason have to prevail.
I agree.  Wholeheartedly.
When you say stuff like, "I assure you that if the current flow through the resistor was that 'out of phase' then there would be absolutely NO evidence of any heat WHATSOEVER."  it's mindless guppy talk.
Not actually MileHigh.  The relationship between current and voltage as shown by TK - most CERTAINLY will result in zero energy being dissipated.  It seems that you ALSO can't do power analysis.  Golly.  If I'd known all this sooner I'd have made a meal of it.
Do you want to draw up a test plan and then do the dim bulb testing?  If you do you desperately need our help.  You need an epiphany and you have to open up and engage and try to learn.
Indeed.  I have much to learn.  But it is patently evident that so do you.  And what you need to learn is some rather elementary facts related to voltage analysis.
Right now you are inside your own fishbowl and don't realize how you are being perceived.  You have to engage and be civil and express a desire to learn.  Without that you are toast!
I'm of the opinion that the only ones who are being 'toasted' are the rather fatuous pretensions related to TK's power analysis.  They're bereft of any sense at all.  With or without respect.
That's my last try.
I sincerely hope so MileHigh. 

Kindest regards
Rosie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2149 on: April 11, 2012, 07:12:36 AM »
Not at all Rosemary. I have no shame in that annotated diagram. I know it is annotated correctly. So please do circulate it, I insist (with respect).

The "ofs" offset number indicates the voltage offset (or difference) between "that little line at each channel reference" as you reference it, and the middle horizontal graticule I've highlighted in green. I've shown this offset with the double-ended arrows in two cases (orange and fuchsia) in the diagram.

Poynty - I've just seen this.  Luckily.  When I change to AC coupling then the ONLY thing that changes is the position of that zero reference line against each channel.  And it moves to the center of each of those peak to peaks. But by all means.  Send me an email of that download with your annotations and I'll try and get back to you tomorrow at the latest.  Then you are free to post those comments wherever you like.

Kindest as ever,
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2150 on: April 11, 2012, 07:18:19 AM »
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"I assure you that if the current flow through the resistor was that 'out of phase' then there would be absolutely NO evidence of any heat WHATSOEVER."

I invite you to explain that to us in some more detail please.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2151 on: April 11, 2012, 07:19:35 AM »
So Guys - that's it ..I hope.  Certainly I've finally managed to answer all posts - for a change.  I've got a few more to make during the course of the day and then - with luck I'll be able to operate on a thread that will be under my own jurisprudence.  I don't think there will be any postings on it for a while.  I've got a lot of work to do to get our apparatus built and ready for testing.  And I've got spade work to do to get those  data loggers up.  And I still need to formalise some kind of relationship with our 'arbiters'.  But I reckon one month - and I and you all will be able to finally determine if there's been any validity in anything at all that we've claimed.  I'm personally interested to see how our batteries perform against the Q-array.  Because, quite frankly - I simply don't know. 

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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2152 on: April 11, 2012, 07:21:10 AM »
I invite you to explain that to us in some more detail please.

MileHigh

LOL MileHigh.  You want me?  To teach you?  I would never presume so much.

Rosie Pose.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2153 on: April 11, 2012, 07:39:18 AM »
No I really mean it, because what you are saying is nonsensical.  So explain your point in more detail and try to work the logic through in your head and find your mistake and then write it out and correct yourself.

That's my challenge to you.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2154 on: April 11, 2012, 07:51:38 AM »
No I really mean it, because what you are saying is nonsensical.  So explain your point in more detail and try to work the logic through in your head and find your mistake and then write it out and correct yourself.

That's my challenge to you.

MileHigh

No MileHigh.  You'll need to do your own research here.  Just as a clue - the power output depends on the level of the phase relationship between current and voltage.  The more out of phase - the less power dissipated.  TK's waveforms are entirely out of phase. 

Kindest MileHigh.  I always thought we could be friends.  Perhaps one day.
Rosie Pose

Actually - let me correct that.  The waveforms shown in that shot of his are entirely out of phase.  I still need to check on the video - if I get around to it.
Again
Rosie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2155 on: April 11, 2012, 08:08:22 AM »
Rosemary, I invite you to monitor the voltage and current waveforms of the power supplied to an electric heater, or the heating element under your oxtail soup. Or... just take a straightedge to this scopeshot here, and tell me whether or not you were heating your load at the time.

You are so easy to refute that it isn't even fun any more.

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Offline picowatt

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2156 on: April 11, 2012, 08:11:10 AM »
Poynty - I've just seen this.  Luckily.  When I change to AC coupling then the ONLY thing that changes is the position of that zero reference line against each channel.  And it moves to the center of each of those peak to peaks. But by all means.  Send me an email of that download with your annotations and I'll try and get back to you tomorrow at the latest.  Then you are free to post those comments wherever you like.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

Rosemary,

I can assure you, the very worst thing you could do to present or preserve your data, would be to switch to AC coupling on any of the channels.

Good luck,

PW



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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2157 on: April 11, 2012, 08:18:23 AM »
Howdy members and knowledgeable experimentalist,

Here is a posting that Stefan did over a year ago with a protocol for the testing and evaluation of the device with a CLAIM of COP>INFINITY ....

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http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg285971/#msg285971    Reply #1224 on: May 12, 2011, 10:28:48 AM

Hi Rosemary,

why don´t you do this ?

1) All COP > INFINITY device information in one place in one post not spread out over ninety (90) pages.
2) A accurate circuit diagram of the claimed COP > INFINITY device .... there are five (5) at least that I know of .... and "AGAIN" the one on your blog is incorrect (FALSE)

http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/2011/04/109-simulated-circuit.html#links

3) All sequenced oscilloscope screen shots and data dumps from the day of the test not days before or after for over a minimum of one hour at 6 minute intervals for a total of eleven (11) verified recordings of the
COP > INFINITY device.
4) The complete parts list of all the components used to do a scientific replication to verify the results in a verifiable scientific manner of the COP > INFINITY device
5) All the settings of the Function Generator in Hz or Mhz .... including ....  the setting of the DC offset switch ( -10 VDC to + 10 VDC )
6) A complete photographic image set available for verification and review including the top and bottom of any circuit board of the COP > INFINITY device at the time under or during test .

To get scientific approval you NEED to do these scientific test and exact report documents.

As you have done it with mixed up circuit diagrams and mixed up scope shots
from different mixed ups testings , where one does not know,
which scopeshot belongs to what test, is not scientific.

Before I opened your account and before your demo you promised to release all
data in an open source format and well presented, but what you did present was only all mixed up
and shuffled data so nobody can really see, what it is all about or if there were
measurement errors done and then you suddenly had a wrong circuit diagramm, etc, etc....

So maybe you should quit for a while, do again some more testing and then document
it the way shown above very exactly.....?

Otherwise you will be again ridiculed and laughed at and ignored by the scientific community...

Regards, Stefan.

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I think there should be a discussion on Stefan's recommendations on the testing and evaluation to be done in a timely manner the items number one (1) through number six (6) is a good starting point for anyone involved doing verifiable testing. There will be of some numbers that will need some correcting for content and new developments that has happened from one year ago prior to any new testing done or required.


1) All COP > INFINITY device information in one place in one post not spread out over ninety (90) pages.

2) A accurate circuit diagram of the claimed COP > INFINITY device .... there are five (5) at least that I know of .... and "AGAIN" the one on your blog is incorrect (FALSE)

3) All sequenced oscilloscope screen shots and data dumps from the day of the test not days before or after for over a minimum of one hour at 6 minute intervals for a total of eleven (11) verified recordings of the COP > INFINITY device.

4) The complete parts list of all the components used to do a scientific replication to verify the results in a verifiable scientific manner of the COP > INFINITY device

5) All the settings of the Function Generator in Hz or Mhz .... including ....  the setting of the DC offset switch ( -10 VDC to + 10 VDC )

6) A complete photographic image set available for verification and review including the top and bottom of any circuit board of the COP > INFINITY device at the time under or during test .


Cheers,
FTC
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2158 on: April 11, 2012, 08:23:55 AM »
I will NOT associate with you TinselKoala - on any formal basis.  You are utterly disqualified as a representative of anything other than an absurd attempt to DEBUNK.  And I would NEVER presume to associate our NERD circuit with that absurd apparatus that you IMPLY is a REPLICATION.  It fails in ALL aspects - starting with the voltage reference and the TYPE of LOAD that you're using.  And it ENDS with the entire inability of your equipment to manage the required power analysis - OF ANY KIND let alone the required and careful tuning to establish the test parameters. 

Rosie Pose

Once again, Rosemary you sniveling coward: I invite ANY independent person or laboratory with the equipment and skills, EVEN ONE OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING, to test both Tar Baby and NERD side by side using the same protocols and analyses. My only claim is that Tar Baby performs just like NERD in all significant respects.

I am willing to put my device up for testing independently. You are not. My device is ready for testing NOW. You will not be ready.... ever.

I claim that Tar Baby performs just like NERD and I have presented scope shots to prove it. Every scope shot you've shown, I have produced as well with Tar Baby. I have also presented MANY other tests on which NERD and Tar Baby's performance may be compared. It is indeed strange that two devices with identical components and scope trace performance would be claimed by someone to be so different without showing just HOW they are different. I have shown many many ways in which they are the same. YOU have not successfully shown anything, much less how NERD and Tar Baby differ.

And once again you are distorting and lying about Tar Baby. It is constructed according to YOUR most recently approved diagram with the addition of a 555 timer, also as approved by the statements you have made and which can be found in the WIKI page controlled by your co-author. It uses the same component types and values. The voltage used is that which you and .99 agreed would be appropriate for testing. The voltages are monitored in exactly the same positions as given in the demo video and in the various diagrams which you and your team have published. It produces heating in the load commensurate with your stated values at similar current settings. It produces the same phase relationship in the oscillations as yours does. It produces scope shots that look exactly like yours... in fact you have even mistaken one of Tar Baby's for one of your own. And finally, it has been offered for independent testing in side-by-side comparison to your device by independent testers, and it is ready NOW.

Your bluff has been called. Show your cards or fold, Rosemary.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2159 on: April 11, 2012, 08:39:42 AM »
Rosemary,

I can assure you, the very worst thing you could do to present or preserve your data, would be to switch to AC coupling on any of the channels.

Good luck,

PW

 Hah... AC coupling. Some days ago she accused me of implying that they were using AC coupling (which I wasn't doing at all) and she profoundly denied ever doing it, and so I posted the Tek shot from her video showing one channel set to AC coupled.... again, PW, she doesn't know what AC coupling is, what it's for, how it's used to advantage, why I sometimes use it, or how to interpret it on a scope trace. It's funny watching her contradict herself, claim one thing one day and the exact opposite the next.....It's perfectly clear that all the LeCroy shots have all their channels DC coupled....

AC coupling is very useful, Rosemary, if you need to look at the small amplitude ripple sitting on top of a large DC signal, for example. If you simply used DC coupling and the appropriate vertical amplifier setting to easily see the ripple amplitude and waveform features, your DC value (the OFFSET) would be off the screen up or down. So one selects AC coupling and that large DC component is removed, and yes, the vertical center of the ripple is brought down to the channel's baseline marker, thus losing the absolute amplitude information but allowing the user to view the ripple at high magnification. In the case of the NERD device it might make sense for looking at, for example, the small ripple sitting on top of a 72-volt battery voltage during the oscillations, to determine frequency or p-p amplitude of the ripple. Or, as in the Tek shot from the demo where AC coupling is used for one of the high-voltage traces. But for doing  math, you need to preserve the absolute magnitude (amplitude), so DC coupling is recommended usually.

There, did you see her eyes glaze over? Next we will be _assured_ that my explanation makes no sense to her academics and that I am very short indeed for a self-proclaimed Grand Inquisitor.

Note item # 11  in the Tek screengrab from the video, reproduced below. This little sinewave symbol indicates the channel -- the green trace, in this case the common mosfet drains -- is AC coupled.

(@PW: this is also the only shot I can find where the scope's cursors are used properly. Note the horizontal cursor set (21, 20)  is positioned at one full cycle, and the cursors data box is indicating (17) that, indeed, the period is 100 ms, hence the frequency is 10 Hz. Unfortunately the vertical cursor set (1, 16)  is not usefully positioned.)

Note that Tektronix considers the actual offset _value_ to be of so little significance that it is nowhere displayed on the screen. The channel zero baseline markers, however, are vital and are prominently and clearly displayed at the left margin. LeCroy puts numbers in boxes, the more the merrier even if they are irrelevant. Tektronix makes extremely useful oscilloscopes with very ergonomic displays that make the most of precious screen territory and don't bother to display irrelevant numbers that only serve to confuse the novice user.
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