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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 762230 times)

Offline fuzzytomcat

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1815 on: April 06, 2012, 09:05:56 AM »
Howdy members and guest,

As you all know Rosemary as usual isn't being forthcoming in any explanations for the errors being found in the documentation that has been provided as a CLAIM of a device with a COP>INFINITY

There has been stipulations for further testing by Rosemary from members at OU and the OWNER and moderator here and as always refuses to do any as it will discredit her "THESIS".

As you all know this for Rosemary is only about the THESIS and could care less about a actual attempted replication and if one would come around like the TK "Tar Baby" with unfavorable results it's immediately deemed JUNK by the Inventor of the COP>INFINITY device whom has no formal electronic training and has no professional input on electronic circuitry.

Therefor in all likelihood this and the other threads will be deleted in a few days from Rosemary's lack of professionalism in answering any questions and doing the required additional testing again for fear of discrediting her THESIS.

I have been able to figure out how to make a PDF file of the thread and will be storing a copy of it and the other threads earmarked for deletion for my future reference, anyone interested on how it was done can PM me for details on how to make a PDF.

I am attaching a copy of page #121 as a example of what it would look like.  (  another_small_breakthrough_on_our_NERD_technology_121_.pdf )


FTC
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1816 on: April 06, 2012, 09:12:16 AM »
Rosemary,

For the umteenth time, I fully understand that you can set the FG output to a positive value to turn on Q1 and turn off Q2-5 or alternately set the FG for a negative voltage to turn off Q1 and bias Q2-Q5 ito inear operation.

What I am asking about is why the Test1 and 2 scope shots reflect that the generator is outputting a positive voltage in excess of the Q1 gate threshold while the Rshunt traces for those tests indicates that Q1 is not turning on.  All is as it should be with Test2.

PW

Actually it's the 8th time you've asked this - not the 'umpteenth'.  And here's my answer again.  I think my 5th attempt.  The applied signal from the generator is exactly as shown on the waveform.  The waveform that we can't access, which is from the offset and which presumably is buried within the generator itself - OVERRIDES this signal.  Therefore the signal at the gate is applied.  The waveform is shown.  The signal from the offset is applied.  That waveform is not shown.  Don't ask me why?  I don't know why?  However, I suspect what's happening is that the negative signal is then applied to the drain rail which overrides the applied signal at the gate.  But I don't know for certain.  I can only surmise.  And it seems coincident with Wiki's explanation.  However, if this is the case, then the applied offset signal which is entirely negative - also ENTIRELY restricts the flow of current from the battery.  And that applied signal at the gate which is represented as that waveform you keep referencing is there.  But is overridden.  I am reasonably certain that the waveform at the gate of either Q1 or Q2 is represented accurately as that rather zut instrument of ours is also ENTIRELY dependable and fully calibrated.

Rosemary

Changed the explanation here and there.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1817 on: April 06, 2012, 09:37:23 AM »
Rosemary,

When you adjust the offest control on an FG, I assure you, that adjustent is reflected at the output of the generator.  The negative or positive offset as selected by the offset control, adds a negative or positive voltage to the generator's output.  Connecting a voltmeter or scope to the generator's output whilst turning the offset control plus or minus will directly indicate this action.  On a connected scope, the trace will go up and down to indicate the positive or negative offset value selected.  On a voltmeter, the indicated voltage will swing positive and negative as well while the offset control is adjusted.

Is there anyone on your team with an electronic background that replicator's can ask questions?

PW.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1817 on: April 06, 2012, 09:37:23 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1818 on: April 06, 2012, 09:50:41 AM »
Welcome, picowatt, to a long line of people who thought they could get coherent, straightforward responses from RA, or get her to follow a line of reasoning.

It is easier for her to believe that the FG can somehow sneak that "offset" signal past the oscilloscope and get it into the circuit without the scope noticing, than it is for her to believe a professional with years of experience and a rack of FGs on his bench.

And of course when I show a video of just what you describe, circuit response to varying FG offset... she will accuse me of faking it and will not back down no matter what. Why not? Because it will involve her admitting that there are great problems with the figures shown in the paper.

I'm processing and uploading that video, and another, now.

ETA: Monitoring the mosfet drain voltage is obviously the way to see what the mosfets are doing. To omit this important bit of data from the scope shots in the papers.... well, would you have done that, picowatt? The drains are monitored in Rosemary's video demo, but of course that only _relates_ to her claims, it doesn't actually contain them.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1819 on: April 06, 2012, 09:54:23 AM »
*Sigh...*

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Offline picowatt

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1820 on: April 06, 2012, 10:12:26 AM »
MH,

ditto... it's late...

TK,

If you would, hook up a small light bulb, a milliammeter, or your B2B LED's, show us some current out of that FG as well...

PW

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1821 on: April 06, 2012, 10:17:35 AM »
@All,

I see my typing skills are inverse to my tired factor.

Maybe I'll figure out how to edit posts at some point.

PW

Never mind, I just figured out the use of "modify".... and fixed a typo...

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1821 on: April 06, 2012, 10:17:35 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1822 on: April 06, 2012, 10:36:27 AM »
MH,

ditto... it's late...

TK,

If you would, hook up a small light bulb, a milliammeter, or your B2B LED's, show us some current out of that FG as well...

PW

I have done so with the cheapo DMM; it puts about 90-110 mA into the circuit when it's set high enough to turn the mosfet(s) on with that little oscillation on the bottom of the gate trace like her scopeshots show. The FG's voltage output is noticeably pulled down when connected to the circuit; simply measuring the input resistance of Tar Baby across where the FG hooks to the circuit, unpowered and disconnected from all test equipment completely, gives me a value of 34.7 Ohms using a Simpson DMM.
Look back here in a few minutes and I'll have some pix attached.
OK, here they are. The overview shows the DMM ammeter hooked in series with the FG's "positive" lead. (But I got the ammeter polarity backwards, it should be indicating -0.11 A instead of +, I think.) The other lead from the DMM goes to the +FG input on the board. The scope shot shows the operating condition, top trace the FG gate drive signal (note the spikies from the added lead length and the DMM) at 5 V/div, bottom trace the mosfet common drains at 20 V/div, zero levels indicated (except the top trace has drifted from the marker a bit; it's really at zero at the top), timebase 0.2 millisec/div.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1823 on: April 06, 2012, 10:59:55 AM »
And before y'all start razzing me about the rat's nest wires, here is where I started with this thing... I found the wire lengths were necessary for the oscillations with the bigger mosfets, so I cut wires approximately as long as Ainslie's in the video demo, and the RATs nest is the result. It works great!!

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1824 on: April 06, 2012, 11:19:11 AM »
Effect of FG Offset on Circuit Response. Long and lazy, um uh sorry about the light.

Note: this video does not represent anything, it only relates to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXAqEinb8YU

YMMV, but not by very much, unless you are using an old WaveTek Model III or something.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1825 on: April 06, 2012, 02:40:06 PM »
Effect of FG Offset on Circuit Response. Long and lazy, um uh sorry about the light.

Note: this video does not represent anything, it only relates to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXAqEinb8YU

YMMV, but not by very much, unless you are using an old WaveTek Model III or something.

Very intriguing video TK.  Masterful misdirection.  Not only did you not bother to show the trace across the shunts but you were careful to IMPLY that you could only duplicate our numbers when you used the AC mode on your scope.  Fortunately our LeCroy downloads show very clearly that ALL our settings are at DC.  And it also measures the effects of the offset.  You are very good at this TK.  All that 'play play' I'm drunk - and 'all is off the cuff' and nothing is rehearsed - and the lighting and still bad?  What an EFFECT!  I'm intrigued.  How much do you get paid for all this?

Guys - this video is just about on a par with that amazing number where he implied that the joule thief claims are bogus because the scope can't manage to keep to the same measurement.  Please simply refer to our waveform downloads.  The channel settings are CLEARLY MARKED DC

Regards to you all - TK included.  And guys, wise up to these games that TK is playing.  Their consequences are scarey if you're inclined to believe all those insinuations.  No wonder he has to film everything in half light.

Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1826 on: April 06, 2012, 02:55:48 PM »
And before y'all start razzing me about the rat's nest wires, here is where I started with this thing... I found the wire lengths were necessary for the oscillations with the bigger mosfets, so I cut wires approximately as long as Ainslie's in the video demo, and the RATs nest is the result. It works great!!

TK - YOU NEED A BIGGER BOARD.  And you need to show us where everything connects.  That's unless we're actually meant to either understand your argument or even believe it.  And colour code your 'FET wires - at LEAST.  Or something.  Or try and show that they're properly connected.  It's a MESS.  And you also need to show us your results.  Frankly I don't think you DARE show us.  I think we're all a little bored with all your insinuations.  You rely on the profound assumption that everyone watching your videos are IDIOTS. Else why would you insult us all with that kind of video.  I'm reasonably certain that the ONLY people who will recommend your efforts are those same people who post here with a compulsion that is way beyond reasonable.

Rosie Pose

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YMMV - INDEED.  Which stands for You're Misdirected Magnificently and Vastly.  Very entertaining little exercise.  And I am beginning to really  appreciate the hard work that you need to apply to try and kill off our modest little claims here TK.  I wonder why?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1827 on: April 06, 2012, 03:28:03 PM »
Hi All,
Rosemary Ainsley wanted to do some battery drawdown tests together with user
poynt99so I am opening up again this thread.

Regards, Stefan.

I will not be conducting any tests at all while there is any reminder at all - on this forum - of your excessive indulgence in slander.  What you are hoping is that I will engage in any way at all with any of your demands.  I dare not.  It would be tarnished by association.

Rosie Pose

I have every intention of doing a battery draw down test.  I do not know whether I'll be able to conduct that test through this forum.  That's in Harti's hands.  And it's heavily dependent on certain editorial requirements related to this thread - and, indeed, to another thread here on this forum.

Rosie Posie

Rosemary when will you be doing these tests ?

Hello MileHigh

I assure you that we have a level of support that is both surprising and welcome.  The only joke is the transparent efforts by you and TK to detract from this technology.

"guys" Where are you ? Rosemary needs you to show that you can make her claim work.Come on "guys"She only has TK and she doesn't like him he can show her circuit doesn't work as she claims.
Oh no "guys" have you all realized that her circuit doesn't work like she claims.

Well "guys" Pretty obvious why she is avoiding doing any new tests and not answering questions properly, reminds me so much of dodgy politicians who make promises they can't keep.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1828 on: April 06, 2012, 03:49:47 PM »
Rosemary when will you be doing these tests ?

"guys" Where are you ? Rosemary needs you to show that you can make her claim work.Come on "guys"She only has TK and she doesn't like him he can show her circuit doesn't work as she claims.
Oh no "guys" have you all realized that her circuit doesn't work like she claims.

Well "guys" Pretty obvious why she is avoiding doing any new tests and not answering questions properly, reminds me so much of dodgy politicians who make promises they can't keep.

Hello powercat

Always nice to be reminded how anxious you are to get us to prove our battery draw down tests.  Believe me so am I.  But I think we should dedicate this thread to an exercise in 'trollmanship' as applied to those such as yourselves.  My prize would be to see it include some actual raw data from TK's DEBUNK courtesy his Tar Baby.  Sorely lacking.  All we have are a series of claims about how he has done this - through twenty video downloads and a report.  Or it may be 20 pages of report and video downloads.  The report is not available...YET - as TK puts it.  Hopefully it will be - in the fullness of time.  Otherwise I may post my results and TK will come in from the rear and CLAIM that they're incorrect as he can't duplicate them.  That would be a shame.  Let me - at its least - have the benefit of seeing where the bar is set.  Then I'll have a 'target'.  And if that means that TK qualifies for Poynty's over unity prize - in his name or in Humbugger's name - and we don't - then so be it.

And I think it's long overdue that the full force of the troll technique be entirely exposed.  Otherwise it can be used again and again.  And that would not be in the interests of progressing over unity or new energy or anything at all through open source.  I'm rather committed to the fond belief that this is still not only possible - but very desirable.  Open source is certainly our only voice for progressing a science that has been widely branded 'pathological'.  Our media wont touch this with yours.  And even a small voice is better than no voice at all.  Else we'll all, forever, be at the mercy of handful of objectors who have an easy time of it when they decide to dismiss scientific evidence.  Thus far they've managed this very well.  And the losers here include the public in it's widest and global sense of the word.  And that probably includes you too. 

Unless - God forbid - he's actually trying to imply that we have NOT got COP infinity.  Or indeed - any efficiency at all.  Not sure what he's claiming.  Not ... yet. Golly.   8)

Rosie Pose 

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1829 on: April 06, 2012, 03:58:05 PM »
 
Where is the test?

 

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