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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 769465 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1755 on: April 06, 2012, 05:00:12 AM »
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1756 on: April 06, 2012, 05:01:49 AM »

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1757 on: April 06, 2012, 05:03:11 AM »
Guys let me make this absolutely clear.  Since I have learned so thoroughly how TK's mission is deny EVERYTHING he can, I have NEVER apologised to TK for anything at all.  Nor will I.  And I cannot dismantle the existing state of the apparatus if I wanted to.  I do not have the competence nor the eyesight.  That photograph was taken by me before it was modified to this Q-array circuit.  Why would I lie about that?

Rosemary

Rosemary said .....Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that? ... Why would I lie about that?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1757 on: April 06, 2012, 05:03:11 AM »
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1758 on: April 06, 2012, 05:03:22 AM »
OK, Fuzzy, Rosemary, I looked at the EXIF data for that photo, and yes, as Rosemary says, it was taken all the way back at the end of 2010. So it's not another smoking gun after all.



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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1759 on: April 06, 2012, 05:05:53 AM »
TK,

I just looked at FIG 6 as well.  There is definitely something amiss.  I too read about 10 volts at the gate of Q1 off the scope shot.  At Vbatt =72volts, Q1 should be capable of flowing much more current than is indicated by Rshunt with its gate at +10 volts.  I would expect to see a bit more than half a major division at the shunt (as the scope is set to 2V/div for Rshunt)  Around 2.5 minor divisions should be indicated.

Fig 3 and Fig 6 do not seem to correspond to the schematic/setup as drawn on this first paper. 

PW


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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1759 on: April 06, 2012, 05:05:53 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1760 on: April 06, 2012, 05:18:30 AM »
@picowatt:

Rosemary said,
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And the beauty of that little LeCroy is that there is no way it can do anything other than reflect the actual waveforms.  Well within it's competence.

Do you agree that that little LeCroy will always tell you the absolute truth?

Here's a little demo that I did some time ago, showing that getting the "absolute truth" from a scope ... depends on asking the correct questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1761 on: April 06, 2012, 05:22:46 AM »
MH,

I thought the issue regarding the FG ground connection to the Batt- instaed of Rshunt was known for some time.  I'll have to look at the scope shots, but keep in mind that while the DC bias current for Q2-Q5 does bypass Rhunt, for AC, the reactance of the Ciss for all 5 MOSFETs is a more robust path than the 50R of the gen.

So I do agree that a couple hundred milliamps more or less does bypass the shunt at DC, but when the circuit is oscillating, the error is reduced due a bit due to the Ciss reactance of the MOSFETs and the bulk of the AC current would pass thru the Ciss path.

At this time, however, I am attepting to understand what is going on with the simplest and most basic part of the circuit, Q1.  Why does it not appear to be turning on when the gate voltage is more than sufficiently positive to do so?  Can you tell where the FG output is connected?  Is it possible it is not connected as shown in the schematic?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Offline picowatt

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1762 on: April 06, 2012, 05:26:45 AM »
@ALL,

Need to clean my "M" key...

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1763 on: April 06, 2012, 05:27:21 AM »
And yes you did too apologise to me about the inverted duty cycle of your first fiasco circuit, and fuzzy has reproduced that apology earlier in the thread. Of course you took back the apology later... but I'm still right.

And you admitted just recently that you were wrong about:

the 25.6 million Joule calculation
the provenance of the video
my annotated versions of your scope traces

but yes, you did NOT apologise for the pages and pages of abuse and denial that happened before you finally couldn't possibly deny reality any more.

And you are currently wrong about many other claims and statements you've made, too.... and I'm still right.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1763 on: April 06, 2012, 05:27:21 AM »
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1764 on: April 06, 2012, 05:28:28 AM »
Guys - yet another miracle of misinformation.  These abound in ALL TK's videos.

@picowatt:

Rosemary said,
Do you agree that that little LeCroy will always tell you the absolute truth?

Here's a little demo that I did some time ago, showing that getting the "absolute truth" from a scope ... depends on asking the correct questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ

Look really CLOSELY at where he changes that probe position.  He is no longer even on the same RAIL.  He goes to an ENTIRELY difference position BEHIND a junction.  And then he continues to do what he does best.  Which is INSINUATE.  And here's what's particularly DISGUSTING is that he's insinuating that the measuring instrument itself is WRONG. 

We've all wised up to your tactics TK.  Long back.

Rosie Posie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1765 on: April 06, 2012, 05:32:33 AM »
And yes you did too apologise to me about the inverted duty cycle of your first fiasco circuit, and fuzzy has reproduced that apology earlier in the thread. Of course you took back the apology later... but I'm still right.

And you admitted just recently that you were wrong about:

the 25.6 million Joule calculation
the provenance of the video
my annotated versions of your scope traces

but yes, you did NOT apologise for the pages and pages of abuse and denial that happened before you finally couldn't possibly deny reality any more.

And you are currently wrong about many other claims and statements you've made, too.... and I'm still right.

My dear TinselKoala
IF it constitutes ABUSE that it is my opinion that your need to monopolise and usurp all authority on this thread is in the character of certain historical tyrants then indeed.  Consider yourself abused.  My own interpretation of the term is considerably broader to incorporate the extraordinary license that you seem to need to indulge with such excessive liberality EVERYWHERE - with no distinctions as to who gets spattered in its wake - and with a lack of professionalism that is astounding in it's lack.

Rosie Pose

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1765 on: April 06, 2012, 05:32:33 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1766 on: April 06, 2012, 05:33:19 AM »
@picowatt: at this point it seems impossible to determine anything, except by reference to the raw data: the photos and the scopeshots. Clearly, the "words" are not giving accurate information and there are so many versions that it's difficult to say what's what.
The two 5-mosfet diagrams both show the FG connected in the same place wrt the "rest of the circuit" other than the mosfets. And this seems to be borne out by the pegboard in the video.... for which the presented diagram in the video is again wrong as it shows only a single mosfet and the narration says that all five are strictly parallel...which isn't true.
But in the screengrab below you can see the red clip from the FG, it's connected to the Q1 gate and the "gang of four" sources. And the other FG lead is connected to the common ground bus with all the other probe grounds.


Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1767 on: April 06, 2012, 05:35:34 AM »
Guys - yet another miracle of misinformation.  These abound in ALL TK's videos.

Look really CLOSELY at where he changes that probe position.  He is no longer even on the same RAIL.  He goes to an ENTIRELY difference position BEHIND a junction.  And then he continues to do what he does best.  Which is INSINUATE.  And here's what's particularly DISGUSTING is that he's insinuating that the measuring instrument itself is WRONG. 

We've all wised up to your tactics TK.  Long back.

Rosie Posie

As usual, you lie about and misrepresent my work.

You need new glasses, too. That is one wire, less than 3 inches long, and it's connected to the transistor and the battery minus at one end and the CVR at the other. There are no other "junctions" in that wire other than those, and I do NOT go to an entirely different position behind a junction--- I simply go to the other end of that wire. And I do it twice, in full view, and at no time do my hands leave my wrists. Are you going blind?

And you need to learn that you know very little about using oscilloscopes, and apparently nothing about reading one, other than the numbers it gives you.

And who is this "we" you keep talking about? It sure looks to me like you have not a single supporter who can refute my facts. Eatenbyagrue says he supports you, but says he doesn't have the knowledge to evaluate the electrical facts (I think he does, or could learn the necessary stuff in an hour). Wilbyinebriated.... does he support you? I can never tell, he's so much like a broken phonograph record (remember those), but I don't really think he does, being as smart as he is and all. At least he's NEVER refuted a single fact from me, or CONFIRMED a single claim from you.

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1768 on: April 06, 2012, 05:39:12 AM »
You need new glasses. That is one wire, less than 3 inches long, and it's connected to the battery minus at one end and the CVR at the other. There are no other "junctions" in that wire.

And you need to learn that you know very little about using oscilloscopes, and apparently nothing about reading one, other than the numbers it gives you.

NO TINSELKOALA.  It is not my eyesight that is at fault.  It's the positioning of that probe.  Guys - check it out for yourselves.  It's all there.
 ;D

Again,
Rosie Pose
the poser

and may I add - that IF Tektronix knew you were casting all these aspersions and so publicly on their machines - I think they'd see fit to challenge you in court.  One does not, as a rule, and so publicly - misrepresent the competence of a branded instrument.  But you would not know that lacking, as you do, any idea of professionalism.

Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1769 on: April 06, 2012, 05:44:17 AM »
Picowatt

May I impose on you to ignore this reference in its entirety.  It has no relevance to the circuit schematic referenced in the paper which gives the accurate position of the probes and the position of the shunt.  This 'mess' of probes was to enable two oscilloscopes each with 4 channels - some kind of position within the constraints of the space allowed on our circuit apparatus.

This, yet again, is TK's attempt to ALLEGE - incompetence.  If you could simply refer to our circuit schematic.  It is entirely representative.

Thank you
Rosemary
@picowatt: at this point it seems impossible to determine anything, except by reference to the raw data: the photos and the scopeshots. Clearly, the "words" are not giving accurate information and there are so many versions that it's difficult to say what's what.
The two 5-mosfet diagrams both show the FG connected in the same place wrt the "rest of the circuit" other than the mosfets. And this seems to be borne out by the pegboard in the video.... for which the presented diagram in the video is again wrong as it shows only a single mosfet and the narration says that all five are strictly parallel...which isn't true.
But in the screengrab below you can see the red clip from the FG, it's connected to the Q1 gate and the "gang of four" sources. And the other FG lead is connected to the common ground bus with all the other probe grounds.

 

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