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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 939950 times)

Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1500 on: March 24, 2012, 03:16:45 PM »
Golly Guys,

it seems our tickytacky TK feels insulted?  That's not right.  :'( If I were you TK I'd write a letter to Harti.  Again.
And... by the way, insulting dolt idiot Ains-lie: I am 72 inches tall,
You WISH  :D
and since there are 12 INCHES PER FOOT, that makes me a bit taller than you, ...
If you want this believed you need to stay out of your video shots.  My best guess is 5ft 6" - barefoot.  And I'm all of 5ft 9" plus a tad.
But just what do my height and moustache have to do with anything? Nothing at all...
It has considerably more to do with this thread than your absurd posturing and your equally absurd claims. And this entirely inappropriate ownership assumption of my thread.
just like you being a feeble and ugly  old woman doesn't have anything to do with your LIES and MISREPRESENTATIONS.
Indeed.  I am both ugly and old.  And FEEBLE.  LOL

Rosie Pose
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Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1501 on: March 24, 2012, 03:22:41 PM »
Rosemary,

I know where the 50 Ohms comes from, but where does that extra 1000 Ohms reside? Did you see the diagram I posted in REPLY #1475?

Poynty - if the current is going through the terminal probe to terminal ground (as MileHigh explains this is termed) then it has to move through 1000 Ohms of secondary inductor wiring that lies between those those two terminals. 

Regards,
Rosie

TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1502 on: March 24, 2012, 03:26:38 PM »
TK,

My detailed analysis of the actual build from the video demonstration and my discovery of the connection error I made many many months ago still stands. If you wish, you may go and read all that. It's been fairly well covered.

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I know I reviewed it at the time. But could you refresh my memory, please? On which side of the shunt resistor is the FG's "negative" lead to be connected? I have work here in progress, you know.
I don't think in practical terms it matters much since the shunt in her circuit is 5 resistors connected in parallel to make a value of ... what now? Stated to be 0.25 ohms? From 5 in parallel? What are the values of the individual resistors I wonder. Perhaps they are actually 1 ohm resistors..... but I doubt if they are 1.25 Ohm resistors.
Whatever, 0.20 or 0.25 or, in my circuit, 0.33 Ohms isn't going to make much difference... except when the FG shorts out the CVR.

But... your post caused me to go back to the beginning of this thread.... where Rosemary tells us that three of her batteries... well, here are her own words:
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And there's more good news.  You guys have all called for us to run our batteries to the duration.  That experiment would have taken too long and the test itself too expensive to monitor.

However.  The guys have gone about this differently.  They flattened 3 of our batteries by running lights off them.  When the lights 'went out' was when the batteries were considered flat which was at 10.05 volts or thereby.  Immediately thereafter they ran our resistor element on our usual test.  Not only did we get the same level of oscillation but precisely the same level of heat dissipated - related to that oscillation.  Which was proof that the energy in that oscillation is indeed NOT coming from the battery supply.
Yet she says now that her batteries have never been below the fully charged level.

And by the way, Rosemary... I can PROVE that I am seventy two inches tall, and I dare say that you have NEVER seen me at full height in any of my videos. Again, you are making a fool of yourself by talking shite about things you know nothing about.

 

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1503 on: March 24, 2012, 03:32:22 PM »
... through 1000 Ohms of secondary inductor wiring that lies between those those two terminals. 
Rosemary,

Please explain what you mean by "secondary inductor wiring", and "those two terminals". The two terminals of the FG probe? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by the above.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1504 on: March 24, 2012, 03:38:04 PM »
TK,

Maybe this will help.

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TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1505 on: March 24, 2012, 03:47:34 PM »
TK,

Maybe this will help.

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Why do you only outline 4 of the CVR positions when there are 5 on the other side of the board? As far as I can tell that is the only difference between your photo and what I've described. The FG's negative lead is the black alligator clip connected to point B on the topside of the board, which is where all the other scope probe grounds are connected: your common ground bus. But the diagram shows it connected on the transistor side of the shunt resistor stack.

ETA: Your circuit diagram shows a resistor in series with the FG's drive output. But I don't see it on Rosemary's board "as built". Can you point that out? In my test circuit, since there is some ambiguity here, I've done it both ways, and I don't detect a difference. But if you are posting "as built" diagrams... well, let's be really sure we've got them right.

But it looks like you are supporting my exact point: the diagrams most recently posted here of the circuit that Rosemary shows STILL aren't correct, because as YOU have shown here clearly, the FG is connected on the battery side of the shunt, but the diagram (not the one you just posted, but the one we have actually been using) shows it connected differently.

Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1506 on: March 24, 2012, 03:48:03 PM »
I know I reviewed it at the time. But could you refresh my memory, please?
LOL.  This from a man who assures us that he's been dogging my history with somewhat obsessive interest.  What a Joke.  Like the time that he accused me of pretending to be friends of Professor Steven E Jones.  He STILL doesn't understand the issue at hand.  What an IDIOT.  And he expects me to take him seriously.Which makes this bit of posting as articulate as Glen Lettenmaier manages when he REALLY tests his competence...
On which side of the shunt resistor is the FG's "negative" lead to be connected? I have work here in progress, you know. I don't think in practical terms it matters much since the shunt in her circuit is 5 resistors connected in parallel to make a value of ... what now? Stated to be 0.25 ohms? From 5 in parallel? What are the values of the individual resistors I wonder. Perhaps they are actually 1 ohm resistors..... but I doubt if they are 1.25 Ohm resistors. Whatever, 0.20 or 0.25 or, in my circuit, 0.33 Ohms isn't going to make much difference... except when the FG shorts out the CVR.
somewhat 'stumbling' and 'insecure' as MileHigh puts it. And this....
But... your post caused me to go back to the beginning of this thread.... where Rosemary tells us that three of her batteries... well, here are her own words: Yet she says now that her batteries have never been below the fully charged level.
Yet MORE evidence of inattention.  WE WERE DONATED 9 BATTERIES.  We have 6 that have NEVER BEEN RECHARGED.
And by the way, Rosemary... I can PROVE that I am seventy two inches tall...
THEN PROVE IT.
and I dare say that you have NEVER seen me at full height in any of my videos.
Your 'littleness' TK is manifest NOT ONLY in your videos but in your posts.  It is my opinion that you - Mussolini - Hitler and Savonarola - have MUCH in common.  Starting with an inordinate love of monopolising the conversation. 

Kindest regards
Rosie posie.

TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1507 on: March 24, 2012, 03:57:58 PM »
How many shunt resistors?
What are their individual values? For them to total 0.25 ohms, if they are identical and in parallel, what would their values have to be? If they are 1 ohm value.... what would the total resistance of the shunt be?
What is the value STATED in the diagram for the shunt resistance? What value was used in your calculation of current done from the voltage drop across this resistance?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1508 on: March 24, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »
Why do you only outline 4 of the CVR positions when there are 5 on the other side of the board?
If you look closely at the underside, you will see that only 4 resistors are "bussed" together to comprise the 0.25 Ohm CSR. They are presumably 1 Ohm resistors. The 5th 1 Ohm resistor does not appear to be connected. There is some writing underneath designating what that other 1 Ohm resistor is for, but I can't make it out. One end of it doesn't appear to be connected to anything.

ETA: My guess is that they started with the intention of using a 1 Ohm shunt, and left it there unconnected in case they wanted to go back after moving to the 0.25 Ohm shunt.

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ETA: Your circuit diagram shows a resistor in series with the FG's drive output. But I don't see it on Rosemary's board "as built". Can you point that out?
I was not able to find a 0.5 Ohm resistor in series with the FG either, but I included it because Rosemary's original circuit diagram showed it, and it doesn't make any difference if it was there anyway. I assumed they measured the FG cable and it was 0.5 Ohm (not unreasonable since it looks like light coax), and that is another reason I included it.

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Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1509 on: March 24, 2012, 04:03:18 PM »
TK,

Maybe this will help.

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POYNTY.  What are you saying?  I've just checked on our apparatus.  Typically the signal probe is applied to gate of Q1 and the the terminal to the gate of Q2.  The demo included considerably more than was contained in the video.  And the shunt was most certainly NOT in that loop.  We showed that ONLY for the duration of filming because we were trying to accommodate no less than 8 'clip' positions on a limited space available - to run two scopes simultaneously.  Give me a break here.

Rosie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1510 on: March 24, 2012, 04:07:17 PM »
Note how the focus of Rosemary's idiocy has shifted. This thread is no longer about proving her assertions, it is about ME proving that HER assertion about my HEIGHT is wrong.

Why doesn't she simply answer my questions and address my points? What's the green trace representing, what are her explanations of the items I ask about on the scope trace, what about "PER", and so on and so forth. She won't address any of these substantive points with references TO PROVE ME WRONG, she simply compares me to Hitler, maligns my moustaches as if I were Hercule Poirot, and makes idiotic assertions about my height. How tall is Stephen Hawking, I wonder? And does it have anything at all to do with anything at all except his wardrobe?

What's the green trace supposed to represent, Rosemary? You are right about one thing: I will continue to attack your lies and mistakes one by one if necessary, until you correct and retract them, I die, or Stefan closes this thread. You want it to stop: THEN CORRECT YOUR ERRORS and stop lying.
What's the green trace?

poynt99

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« Reply #1511 on: March 24, 2012, 04:08:42 PM »
POYNTY.  What are you saying?  I've just checked on our apparatus.  Typically the signal probe is applied to gate of Q1 and the the terminal to the gate of Q2.  The demo included considerably more than was contained in the video.  And the shunt was most certainly NOT in that loop.  We showed that ONLY for the duration of filming because we were trying to accommodate no less than 8 'clip' positions on a limited space available - to run two scopes simultaneously.  Give me a break here.

Rosie

Rosemary,

I spent considerable time tracing out the top and bottom connections of the proto-board shown in the video. The labeling and accompanying schematic are accurate per what was shown in the video demonstration.

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« Reply #1512 on: March 24, 2012, 04:12:56 PM »
If you look closely at the underside, you will see that only 4 resistors are "bussed" together to comprise the 0.25 Ohm CSR. They are presumably 1 Ohm resistors. The 5th 1 Ohm resistor does not appear to be connected. There is some writing underneath designating what that other 1 Ohm resistor is for, but I can't make it out. One end of it doesn't appear to be connected to anything.
I was not able to find a 0.5 Ohm resistor in series with the FG either, but I included it because Rosemary's original circuit diagram showed it, and it doesn't make any difference if it was there anyway. I assumed they measured the FG cable and it was 0.5 Ohm (not unreasonable since it looks like light coax), and that is another reason I included it.

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It was my impression that the fifth resistor was connected on the top surface of the board. If it's not... why is it there at all?
Regardless... going back to your "other" forum thread looking for your analysis, I found some very interesting analysis from humbugger about these resistors and all the stray inductances and wiring. Reply #246, you-know-where. Of course that is preaching to a choir here and it's something that Rosemary hasn't the wit to understand.

Do you really REALLY think they measured the resistance of the cable? With what? They haven't shown the competence necessary to measure a small resistance with a DMM, and I don't see any other resistance measuring gear around.

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« Reply #1513 on: March 24, 2012, 04:22:33 PM »
It was my impression that the fifth resistor was connected on the top surface of the board. If it's not... why is it there at all?
My ETA from above:
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ETA: My guess is that they started with the intention of using a 1 Ohm shunt, and left it there unconnected in case they wanted to go back after moving to the 0.25 Ohm shunt.

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Do you really REALLY think they measured the resistance of the cable?
It's the ONLY logical explanation. Yes, they DO have a Fluke meter there on hand. Either they measured it, or assumed it would be about that amount.

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« Reply #1514 on: March 24, 2012, 04:26:52 PM »
Rosemary,

I spent considerable time tracing out the top and bottom connections of the proto-board shown in the video. The labeling and accompanying schematic are accurate per what was shown in the video demonstration.

You see... now she's claiming that the Q1-Q2 diagram is correct for the video, when the diagram IN the video and the presenter's narration both say that all the mosfets are strictly parallel. I think that they didn't know AT THE TIME OF THE VIDEO that the error had been made. Yet now she claims it is always done that way.

Just so I can get on with my OWN work... since I have mosfets coming, I've bought batteries, gathered equipment together.... Please please please can we agree on just WHAT circuit is going to be tested?  If the claims made in the video are of some other circuit than is actually shown.... that is a bit misleading, isn't it? At least it is when I do it, according to some.

What is the circuit to be tested, please? Please give all component values like resistances and inductances, so that I can do just what Rosemary is afraid of: hook that sucker up to some real power measuring equipment, some integrating oscilloscopes, and do some battery drawdown  tests that WILL stand up in the court of SCIENCE.

Please give me the exact circuit of this open-source device so that I can test it for myself. Include the specs for all those clipleads too, because that's where the oscillations are likely coming from. Oh... and what kind of Paint is that on the board? Is it OK if I use a different color? Like maybe GREEN?

What are the frequency (this much I already know), the amplitude, and the offset settings of the INSTEK function generator? Am I going to have to purchase this economy-line 220 dollar instrument to supplement my laboratory-quality, calibrated, Interstate F43? For which, by the way, I paid nearly 300 dollars-- for a twenty year old USED instrument -- plus a 200 mile drive to pick it up, because of its discrete component construction and bulletproof circuitry.