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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 833777 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1050 on: March 16, 2012, 12:21:51 AM »
Now Poynty - guys,

 I may be throwing too much at you all - too early in this discussion.  But there's another thing. IF the energy is coming from the element resistor and circuit components - then consider this.  The element becomes the predominant source of potential difference.  It's inductive/conductive properties become entirely responsible for a kind of supplementary supply source.  Then.  Under those circumstances we can theoretically 'impose' the concept of it having it's own anode and cathode that is in counter polarity to the battery's.  Then do the measurements that Poynty has RIGHTLY proposed is applicable to a supply source.  Now phase shifts would indeed come into the argument.  And there would be the continual discharge and recharge of that element - in the usual way.  Then reconfigure the sums with this in mind.  Then indeed - one would have a supply source that is behaving predictably.  But the confusion would be that the supply source is also dissipating exploitable heat signatures - and it is absolutely NOT at the cost of any material at that supply.  Those atoms will remain there into perpetuity - provided only that the heat is never too extreme.  So.  What price our 2nd Law of Thermodynmics - with this evidence to hand?

I do hope that's not too much to digest.  But that's where we propose all this surplus energy is coming from.
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1051 on: March 16, 2012, 12:34:47 AM »
After watching that video again, it appears he has placed the Oscilloscope across the battery holder.
So the signal he is getting is probably due to the leads picking up an RF output from the wiring.
I have seen similar readings many times by just hooking up one lead from the scope to a circuit. 
I tested one of Dr. Stiffler's circuits where he used 3 coils in resonance and got an LED to light just from the ground.
I got the LED to light every time I turned on my signal generator, even though I never hooked it up to the circuit.
I just left the leads laying on the bench about a foot from the circuit.
I noticed in Dr. Stiffler's videos that he had a lot of test equipment running in the back ground when he did his tests too.
The circuit wiring acts as an antenna picking up the output from the signal generator. 
The large output is understandable because he is putting in about 20V P-P, that's a very strong signal.


Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1052 on: March 16, 2012, 01:16:10 AM »
After watching that video again, it appears he has placed the Oscilloscope across the battery holder.
So the signal he is getting is probably due to the leads picking up an RF output from the wiring.
I have seen similar readings many times by just hooking up one lead from the scope to a circuit. 
I tested one of Dr. Stiffler's circuits where he used 3 coils in resonance and got an LED to light just from the ground.
I got the LED to light every time I turned on my signal generator, even though I never hooked it up to the circuit.
I just left the leads laying on the bench about a foot from the circuit.
I noticed in Dr. Stiffler's videos that he had a lot of test equipment running in the back ground when he did his tests too.
The circuit wiring acts as an antenna picking up the output from the signal generator. 
The large output is understandable because he is putting in about 20V P-P, that's a very strong signal.

Hey Abba

Well, if the scope is across the battery leads, when the battery is removed, the scope should get  the signal through the mosfet being they seem to be in oscillation(on/off) even without the battery in the circuit.

Abba, if we have 72v in batteries, what level of signal is required to get the circuit working as shown by Rose? 500v?   ;)   Same ratio a 20v pp and 3v battery.
that voltage difference is why the gens output is being loaded. 

A car audio amplifier has a switching power supply. Input to the amp is 12v. The step up transformers primary is driven by mosfets, usually more than 1 for each phase in parallel. What voltage would the pwm driver supply to the gates of those fets? And they turn on and off as they are intended to.  ;)

Really, I like TK. I Just dont agree with what was presented in the vid as some proof of point. I got pissed, I admit. I expect better. He knows better than to use that transformer and leds the way he did and claim it to be an equivalent to the schematic shown in the beginning of the video.
And if he knew the issues with doing so as I had presented, then thats underhanded.
Is he smart enough to know it?  ;)

So what can we say about any portion of the video presentation, without having some level of distrust?

Abba, after all of these years of pestering Rose, have you seen an equivalent setup built and tested by any one of these people here? Why is that?

We get sims, and funky bad imitations. yet they will waste years and years, but never build it. WHY?  8)

Mags

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1053 on: March 16, 2012, 01:24:07 AM »
Years and years . How many now?  Would I be so passionate about taking such an undertaking, without building the circuit and testing properly?
Not without being paid.  8)

Mags

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1054 on: March 16, 2012, 01:25:00 AM »
Which guys, means this.

To keep this readable - BV = battery voltage - BC = battery current. 
Conversely RV = resistor voltage - RC = resistor current.

1 BC is positive -  clockwise              -+  -+  -+  -+  -+  -+  -+  -+  -+  -+ like this >>>>> GREATER ZERO
. potential difference transferred to RV
. discharge of potential difference from BV

2 RC is negative - counterclockwise   +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +- like this <<<<< LESS THAN ZERO
. potential difference transferred to BV
. discharge of potential difference from RV

3 RC is positive - clockwise               +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +-  +- like this >>>>>>GREATER THAN ZERO
 . potential difference transferred from RV
. recharge of potential difference at BV

This would resolve the problem.  Effectively we're proposing that the discharge of energy in that 3rd phase is coincident with the positive half of each oscillation.  And that it 'leads' with a negative charge.  Which would explain the path for that oscillation as the charge bias of the current would then be in synch with the polarity bias' of the MOSFETS.

In any event guys.  That's what we're proposing.
Again,
Kindest regards,
Rosemary                     

I hope that's clear.  Effectively all that has happened is that the element resistor becomes the supply source and it's voltages are the mirror opposite of the battery supply.  LOL  It's difficult to explain.  But it's just SO SIMPLE.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2012, 12:25:04 PM by Rosemary Ainslie »

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1055 on: March 16, 2012, 01:28:42 AM »
@ All: Now that we are one page 71 of this thread:
 I was wondering how many people posting here have attempted a physical replication of this circuit,
and done there own tests?  I want to know that I'm not alone. 

I don't have the same MOSFET values and I don't have the exact load specs mentioned here.
But I used what I have and spent over a week trying different things. 
For the load I used a 300W 120V halogen bulb connected in series with various inductors. 
I used two 12 V batteries for the power, and a 3rd 12V battery to run my signal output. 
I was unable to get the batteries to keep there charge, but did find they lasted. 
When I connected them directly across the load they went dead much faster then through the circuit. 
I did see a similar waveform on the scope as was on that video by TinselKoala, when he had the batteries connected.

Sorry I can't tell you more about my tests right now, it's been over a month since I did them. 
I have been working on something else for the last while, and put that circuit aside. 
This is a very simple circuit to build, only took me about 1/2 hour to throw together. 
So I hope I'm not the only one that did so!


Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1056 on: March 16, 2012, 01:31:36 AM »
Hi Magsy and AbbaRue,

That's some hard work you both did there.  The fact is this.  TK has shown us that the function generator CAN - under rather absurd conditions - be responsible for supplying energy to a circuit.  And he's right.  In the same way as a 555 driver can also supply energy to a circuit.  But Magsy your point is spot on.  It cannot be responsible for the full 'whack' of energy that we measure.  And that's what TK's trying to imply.  And that's also where he loses his credibility.  Some years back it not only would have been enough - but any argument he posed quite simply WAS enough.  Thankfully those days are more or less over.

Thanks guys
Rosie
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Offline AbbaRue

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1057 on: March 16, 2012, 01:35:20 AM »
Wow! 4 new posts in the time it took me to write the one I just posted.
Quite busy here tonight! 

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1058 on: March 16, 2012, 01:51:05 AM »
Abba - thanks for trying this out.  I'm sorry we couldn't see more of your results.  I don't think that many people have actually tried this.  The technology has never been that popular due to the rather comprehensive campaign that rather mitigated against me.   All posts were simply answered by accusations against me that I was lying.  It was tedious.  But very effective.   LOL.  Not that much has changed.  But there have been a few off forum notices that I've been given where people have replicated Poynty's sim.  And indeed, one example (only) where they also found that negative value.  But frankly - no-one really believes it.  With good reason probably.  We're claiming Infinite COP.  And that's hardly probable.

One of the down sides - is that it needs close analysis of a setting to get the optimised values.  And that's tedious unless you've got a scope - like we do - that does the hard work for one.  But again.  Thanks for trying it.
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1059 on: March 16, 2012, 02:09:30 AM »

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1060 on: March 16, 2012, 02:13:43 AM »
Up to 60203 reads on this thread

There must be at least 5 readers. The earlier forecasts of 3 readers is significantly lower than estimates currently suggest. More news at 11   WMAG  OU,Earth

Mags

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1061 on: March 16, 2012, 02:19:12 AM »
Up to 60203 reads on this thread

There must be at least 5 readers. The earlier forecasts of 3 readers is significantly lower than estimates currently suggest. More news at 11   WMAG  OU,Earth

Mags

LOL Magsy.  You're priceless.  I must say it's nice to know that there are any readers at all.  They've got a lot of extraneous information to plough through - my own included.

But you certainly keep things in focus.  Take care of yourself Mags. 
Kindest as ever,
Rosie

I'm going to try and get some shut eye.  So.  You'll have a small break from my own postings.  LOL.  Hopefully Poynty will settle for your battery draw down proposal - as a test.  I need some direction here.

 :) :'( :o   

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1062 on: March 16, 2012, 05:07:15 AM »
Actually TK. If you have any sense of integrity, you would take those videos down, as they do not represent the RA circuit as you suggest they do. What is that called when you do that?

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1063 on: March 16, 2012, 05:52:40 AM »
Up to 60203 reads on this thread

There must be at least 5 readers. The earlier forecasts of 3 readers is significantly lower than estimates currently suggest. More news at 11   WMAG  OU,Earth

Mags

I count! Rosemary said I count (at least I used to count...)!! I still read the thread, I just don't comment. I did get a scope but it doesn't have a 'math' feature and I still don't have a function generator so I don't have the basic requirements for building Rosemary's circuit... I'm guessing that 15Mhz is too slow to see what you're seeing? I still would build it if I could... :-X
PC 

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1064 on: March 16, 2012, 06:23:38 AM »
Actually TK. If you have any sense of integrity, you would take those videos down, as they do not represent the RA circuit as you suggest they do. What is that called when you do that?

Mags
To the 380 reader in the last 4 hours...  ;)

Does anybody know what its called when you do that?  :o :o :o Anyone? :o

Mags