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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 857152 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #570 on: February 08, 2012, 01:38:48 AM »
TK - Why do you go on and on and on ... about this?

Rosemary, what is the difference between power and energy?
I have absolutely NO idea how to answer it in any abbreviated form that would be appropriate for these posts.  WHAT energy are you talking about?  From the top of my head I know there's chemical energy - magnetic energy  - nuclear energy.  There's energy of mass.  There's radiant energy.  And I don't think I've even skimmed the surface.  And Power - as I understand it - is the rate at which any one of those various types of energy is transferred.   Now. Let's see if YOU can answer a question.  WHY DO YOU ASK?  Is it because you ASSUME that I don't have an answer?  Is this some kind of 'test' where you can gauge my competence?  Are you satisfied that you can LURK in the background - and then impose these irrelevancies on this thread?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #571 on: February 08, 2012, 01:48:04 AM »
Guys, it seems that Professor Steven E Jones is going to FIRST make a study of this thread to get more familiar with the question.  What alarms me is that the thread is now some 30 odd pages long.  Which means that we're due to wait for some considerable time before that SIMPLE question of mine is EVER ANSWERED.  And the worst of it is that this question is more or less the ONLY subject of contention from the inception of my dialogue - if it can even be described as a dialogue  - with Poynty Point.

Why this ALARMS me is that I've had to wait a whole month before acknowledgement of our claim for his prize.  And then a week with STILL no acknowledgement of the previous posting of my link.  And - like as not - he'll now NOT BE ABLE TO FIND HIS WAY HERE - notwithstanding.  So.  I'ts a waiting game.  Which irritates me more than I can say.  It seems he can access any thread at any forum - at EASE.  But for some reason is is ENTIRELY UNAWARE OF THIS ONE and I've now posted 2 LINKS in his own thread.  As I've said before.  It gets curiouser and curiouser.

And Bubba - I'm not even going to answer your proposal.  That's not an explanation.  That's an excuse.

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Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #572 on: February 08, 2012, 01:51:34 AM »
Rose:
 
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And - like as not - he'll now NOT BE ABLE TO FIND HIS WAY HERE - notwithstanding.

I found my way here.
But yes, it will take me a bit of time to catch up so I can comment properly. 

Believe it or not, my own work keeps me fairly busy...  but I hope to contribute.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #573 on: February 08, 2012, 02:00:41 AM »
Rose:
 
I found my way here.
But yes, it will take me a bit of time to catch up so I can comment properly. 

Believe it or not, my own work keeps me fairly busy...  but I hope to contribute.

Dear Professor,

I am DELIGHTED to welcome you to this thread.  At LAST.  Now.  You'll see for yourself that there is only one question outstanding.  Poynty Point has gone to some lengths to assure us that he won't consider our prize unless and until we CONCEDE that he can REPRESENT our energy delivered by the battery - as a negative wattage.   IF he does this then he DEFEATS our CLAIM and any other claim that may be  associated with any switching circuit.  AND then he would NEVER need to part with his prize. 

Now.  That's the argument.  I'm not sure how MUCH more you need to read than that.  But you'll simply see him saying this over, and over and over - through the entire thread from page 3 or thereby.

Kindest regards,
Rosie

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #574 on: February 08, 2012, 02:14:31 AM »
Well if we consider the term Horse Power/HP, can we not say that that a certain amount of Energy can be extracted and used from a device that has (x)HP output  over time.  ;]
Or can we say, if we have a certain amount of Horse Energy/HE, we will have a certain amount of Power available for use. ;]

 :o

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #575 on: February 08, 2012, 02:17:13 AM »
Well if we consider the term Horse Power/HP, can we not say that that a certain amount of Energy can be extracted and used from a device that has (x)HP output  over time.  ;]
Or can we say, if we have a certain amount of Horse Energy/HE, we will have a certain amount of Power available for use. ;]

 :o

Mags

LOL  Thanks for this Mags.  I've FINALLY had a laugh.

Kindest and best as ever
Rosie

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #576 on: February 08, 2012, 02:21:23 AM »
Rosemary, you do not even understand simple physics or how to take proper electrical measurements.

Electricity is when the electrons from positive ions move to negative ions.  No electrons are lost or created.  It is no different than the heat moving from hot water to cold.  Once in equilibrium, they cannot be separated unless work is applied.  I already know that your process does not work without looking at it.

My dear Replaced,

What can I say?  Your argument is INVINCIBLE.  And your assumptions LAUDABLE.  Well done indeed.

Regards,
Rosie Pose

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #577 on: February 08, 2012, 02:44:00 AM »
If you think that whatever contraption you made does work when in reality it does not, then you could be suffering from delusions.  You should go see a psychiatrist to possibly be prescribed psychotropic medication.

I've now had a real laugh.  Thanks for this.  It's HUGELY important that you share your opinions.  They're clearly very well considered.  And refreshingly 'to the point'.  If I have a criticism it's possibly that you 'hold back'.  You should really learn to let rip.  Speak your mind.   And I assure you - you're NOT ALONE in those assumptions of yours.  There's a whole blog dedicated to precisely this subject.

The very best of the kindest and best, as ever,
Rosie Pose 
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #578 on: February 08, 2012, 02:52:58 AM »
 ;)    Its one of my dirty little nursery rhymes.  :o

And dont waist your time with Replaced. He believes that every angle has been tried in the past looking for FE, and that none of us are creative enough to go beyond what is already known..  Talk about being stuck in the 80's

Such a tiny box to be in.  :o    And it must be lonely.  :o ;) ;D

Mags

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #579 on: February 08, 2012, 02:57:05 AM »
If you think that whatever contraption you made does work when in reality it does not, then you could be suffering from delusions.  You should go see a psychiatrist to possibly be prescribed psychotropic medication.

Sounds like Mile High to me.   :o ;)


Mags

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #580 on: February 08, 2012, 03:17:27 AM »
Well what if we have heard it all before and we are not really interested in hearing it again, how would that grab ya?

What if we dont care?  Then again, why do you?  Thats the kicker.

Why is it that you feel the need to throw all this"weve heard it all before" across these pages?

Its your duty? Or is it your job?  Probably.  Only someone who needs a an aderal would embark on that lonely journey on their own.

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #581 on: February 08, 2012, 03:46:32 AM »
Hi Rosie,
Glad to see you're keeping a sense of humour about some of these remarks. Tho' not a daily follower of this thread, I do drop in from time to time, and have enjoyed your work since it first began appearing. I have to say I've been intrigued by your emergent paradigm for understanding our electrical universe, and the potential pathways through a rather ossified morass of assumptions that it may offer. It clearly involves a shift of horizon, terminology, and of course, possibilities. And why not?
 
Alas, when beset by such paradigm shifts, most inquiring minds formed within the shared horizons of their functional specialties, with common terminology based on commonly ascribed-to assumptions based on commonly accepted postulates which are themselves products of their time and setting... (okay, take a breath, Bobby :)... Most choose to scorn those who would dare challenge them to engage in what the late, great Canadian philosopher Bernard Lonergan would have termed, a "lateral differentiation of consciousness."  Their loss, Rosie, but ah, thou knowest well...
 
Languishing on their Liliput, they view the dark waters of separation between themselves and distant verdant isles with self-assured relief, knowing that the stable divisions of flora and fauna and corresponding taxonomies will continue to perpetuate the grand stasis of their cosmos.  The flotsam washing ashore can be burned, and occasional visitor bearing strange gifts and stories of new ways, sights and sounds can be turned away.
 
Forge on Madame! Damn the torpedoes!  And though some deign to vote you off the proverbial island, the proof shall be in the pudding, and some pudding it shall be!  :) All the best to you.
Bob

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #582 on: February 08, 2012, 07:30:39 AM »
Hello Bob,

What can I say but WOW.  Love the prose.  And many thanks for the support.  You're rare, a rare event on this battle scarred thread.  And I, like you, am looking forward to it's conclusion.  Them paradigms - they's shift'n.  Just an enduring shame that one first needs to endure a confrontation. I think we're looking at the bloodstained aftermath of a full on incursion.  But the comfort is that we're listening to that 'death rattle' of an archaic mindset.  LOUD - but INEVITABLE.

Just copying your post again.  I need to keep it in focus.

Kindest and best Bobby - and more to the point.  THANK YOU.

Rosie 

Hi Rosie,
Glad to see you're keeping a sense of humour about some of these remarks. Tho' not a daily follower of this thread, I do drop in from time to time, and have enjoyed your work since it first began appearing. I have to say I've been intrigued by your emergent paradigm for understanding our electrical universe, and the potential pathways through a rather ossified morass of assumptions that it may offer. It clearly involves a shift of horizon, terminology, and of course, possibilities. And why not?
 
Alas, when beset by such paradigm shifts, most inquiring minds formed within the shared horizons of their functional specialties, with common terminology based on commonly ascribed-to assumptions based on commonly accepted postulates which are themselves products of their time and setting... (okay, take a breath, Bobby :) ... Most choose to scorn those who would dare challenge them to engage in what the late, great Canadian philosopher Bernard Lonergan would have termed, a "lateral differentiation of consciousness."  Their loss, Rosie, but ah, thou knowest well...
 
Languishing on their Liliput, they view the dark waters of separation between themselves and distant verdant isles with self-assured relief, knowing that the stable divisions of flora and fauna and corresponding taxonomies will continue to perpetuate the grand stasis of their cosmos.  The flotsam washing ashore can be burned, and occasional visitor bearing strange gifts and stories of new ways, sights and sounds can be turned away.
 
Forge on Madame! Damn the torpedoes!  And though some deign to vote you off the proverbial island, the proof shall be in the pudding, and some pudding it shall be!  :) All the best to you.
Bob
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 09:33:37 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #583 on: February 08, 2012, 10:27:17 AM »
And guys.

This is for our esteemed Professor Emeritus, Steven E Jones, and submitted - notwithstanding the attendant risk of keeping things 'topical'.  It's a gentle reminder that we're investigating those rather eccentric 'justifications' that Poynty is using to deny us his PRIZE.   :o

There's a new 'mind set' evolving in science thinking - that is largely fertilized by the rotting carcase of 'old school thinking' and some liberal application of coprolites.  In a rather futile effort to DENY THE EVIDENCE - this school is now proposing to argue that a battery - in the process of discharging its potential difference - is delivering a NEGATIVE current flow.  8)   Which then results in a NEGATIVE wattage.  Now. Negative wattage, in terms of our standard model - results in a 'recharge' of the supply.  Therefore, rather confusingly  - and according to this reasoning, (or its 'abuse', depending on which 'school' one prefers) then we have that curious anomaly of admitting that every time a battery delivers it's current - we do NOT have a 'discharge' BUT a RECHARGE.  In effect, Poynty Point is earnestly recommending that we all IGNORE the obvious depletion of potential difference in all our known and standard battery applications, and somehow - through nothing more arduous than the application of A WILD AND UNSUBSTANTIATED hope, and against all evidence to the contrary - we can thereby convince ourselves  that our batteries will LAST FOREVER.  AND THAT WAY.  When we DO claim that our batteries are NOT discharging potential difference - THEN?  He's dealt with the argument.  He's saying that NOR SHOULD WE.  :o   OR.  CONVERSELY, he can then also argue that - IF and WHEN we measure a 'negative wattage' it is based on the erroneous assumption that we first EXPECT a repletion of potential difference.  And he's covered this point.  ::) There is none.  8)

And NOR, indeed - is this any kind of argument for anything at all.  It's a thinking that's emerging - like the 'walking dead' - in defiance of EXPECTATION, in defiance of the standard model and in defiance of ALL ODDS.  Let me remind you of what that standard model requires.  When a current is discharged from a battery supply then it is consistent with the polarity of the voltage from that supply.  Convention requires that the amount of energy that is delivered - is consistent with the amount of energy dissipated over the circuit material.  And this invariably results in a loss of potential difference.  And the power, or the rate at which that energy is transferred - is consistent with a positive wattage.  Our scientists depend on that CONVENTION.  Our learned and revered teach us that CONVENTION.  Our GREATS have explained the logic behind that CONVENTION.  And our poor measuring instruments just do what they're told and they COMPUTE according to that CONVENTION.  But Poynty Point, is DISREGARDING this CONVENTION.  He's crossing his fingers and arguing something that is wildly improbable and entirely unjustified.  And it seems that Bubba supports his thinking - or confuses this with Kirchhoff's unity requirements.  And - to boot - Gravock and others - who VOCIFEROUSLY DENY OUR CLAIMS -  are endorsing this - by DEFAULT.  Because NOT ONE OF THEM HAVE SPOKEN OUT IN PROTEST.

Hopefully our dear Professor will do this on their behalf.  Surely there is still SOMEONE out there who can defend our standard measurement protocols?  Can't wait to hear your arguments Professor.

Kindest regards,
Rosie

changed 'depletion' to 'repletion'.

Offline poynt99

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #584 on: February 08, 2012, 03:43:25 PM »
Professor,

It is well known that the SPICE program does not lie or error. It is simply a computer pogram, and it produces results based on the INPUT to the program. "Garbage in, garbage out" is the old adage, and it applies here too.

However, let's see what the SPICE program "PSpice" produces as a result for power computation of the battery VBat and the load resistor R1 in our simple example. This is an extremely simple circuit, and nothing "strange" is applied to its input. The resulting scope traces are straight forward, and speak clearly to the polarity issue. See the following pictures:

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