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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 720320 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2040 on: April 09, 2012, 02:47:32 AM »
You are stubborn and if you were real you would have asked us to help you understand how current can pass through the function generator.

If you have a battery and a resistor and a function generator you could actually test it for yourself.  You would be able to see the current flowing on the multimeter display with your own eyes.

I have never seen anyone so pigheaded as you.  You demonstrate willful ignorance like TK has stated.  You make decisions about electronics that are wrong and will not let anybody convince you otherwise, yet you admit that you know next to nothing about electronics.

The fact of the matter is that there is a trail of crumbs running between you being wrong about the function generator and you being wrong about your "COP infinity" claim.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2041 on: April 09, 2012, 02:57:45 AM »
A 60 amp-hour battery, fully charged, will take how long, running a constant 200 mA current drain, to go below its nominal voltage on an open circuit test?

Something in the neighborhood of 300 hours, I think. So you could run 5 hours a day, three days a week --  like a college student's laboratory schedule-- for 20 weeks, which is just about a semester -- on a single charge, and you'd still see the nominal voltage until near the very end.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2042 on: April 09, 2012, 03:11:55 AM »
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Because I know enough about physics to know that it can't be.  You electronic guys do NOT have a monopoly on scientific commentary.

What "can't be" according to Rosemary is current flowing through the function generator.

That's pathetic and that's why things around here can get abusive.  What a jackass statement.  Ironically enough, physics does encompass electronics so if you actually did know enough about physics you would have understood and agreed.

You "know that it can't be."  I think that over the past two days there have been about half a dozen references that it is.

What just transpired above Rosemary is solid evidence that you will not last two hours, perhaps not even 15 minutes, with an academic or an expert that you want to solicit to help you get the throbbing inductor project to "move forward."

We are all that you've got.

It won't do any good, because Agilent aren't "academics" or something.... but here it is AGAIN: the pdf that describes offset usage, the FG in series with a power supply, and other important things that Rosemary denies are true. Odd that a little old lady internet poster knows more about these things than the largest manufacturer of precision bench test equipment in the world. Geniuses do turn up in the least likely places... but most of them manage a college education, at least.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2043 on: April 09, 2012, 03:15:16 AM »
Quick, Rosemary... fill up another couple of pages with useless verbiage and nonsense, so people will forget about  my Tar Baby scopeshot, my 555 timer, and my Big Question:

HOW IS TAR BABY DIFFERENT FROM YOUR DEVICE DESCRIBED IN THE PAPERS?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2044 on: April 09, 2012, 04:49:51 AM »
I think the time is nigh for the Big Question: How is Tar Baby different, in any significant way, from Rosemary Ainslie's NERD device described in the papers? Just what factor keeps Tar Baby from being an actual replication of the NERD device?

One thing comes to mind;

Have you shown a negative VI product on the scope as shown in their scope shots? I might have missed it, let me know.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2045 on: April 09, 2012, 05:19:06 AM »
TK:

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All I want is to know just how the NERD device described in the papers is different from Tar Baby. Or, if you'd rather, how is Tar Baby different from the NERD device?

I finally looked at your recent clips and it looks to me like the Tar Baby is essentially the same as the NERD device.  It may take some delicate tweaking to show a negative VI product like Poynt mentioned but in theory it may be doable.

Tar Baby is functionally equivalent to the NERD device as shown by your waveforms.  Have fun testing but I don't think any Tar Baby spaghetti is going to stick to Rosemary.  The Teflon Tachyon Queen?

MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2046 on: April 09, 2012, 05:47:37 AM »
One thing comes to mind;

Have you shown a negative VI product on the scope as shown in their scope shots? I might have missed it, let me know.

Is that a trick question? No, not yet... I don't have a DSO here in the deepbunker, as you know, and my access to the borrowed one is limited--or was-- by how much heat I can stand in my un-airconditioned vehicle in the south Texas spring sunshine. But that's all better now I think and I might be able to do some digiscopy tomorrow or later in the week. I think that Tek can do live integration. I also still have the Clarke-Hess in the back of the car, but there may be bandwidth issues there.

But I can imagine what will happen. When I deskew the probes and do all the rest of the setup necessary to get good input data, the effect won't be found, just as when I first built the circuit with a tight layout and short wires and it didn't oscillate much. And then when I sloppify things and DO get a negative going integral like I did with Steorn's Orbo.... I'll be accused of fakery.

Why do you ask? Do you think there's much difference? How could there be, with the same mosfets, the same other stuff, and the same everything else?

I already know that my batteries are depleting from heating my load during the oscillation phase. If you can tell me how to stop that part, I'll make any change you care to suggest.

ETA: Shades of Mylow. Rosemary hasn't "shown" a negative VI product, she's shown a data box with some numbers in it. The numbers reflect garbage input data, therefore they aren't a VI product at all, at least not one that is properly time-synchronized.  When you show a negative VI product in your sims, you know why it's happening, I hope, just as I knew when I showed the live, negative-going energy integral of Orbette's input power on the LeCroy 104 toy oscilloscope.

ETA 2: perhaps there is some weird AC power sloshing around in the wrong direction superposed on top of the main DC pathway through the load, and this is what is showing up as a negative value. But I've been simply looking at the NERD's scope parameters, and when I see a positive mean for one trace, a positive mean for another trace, and a negative mean for the product... I know right away that there is an error in how the scope is computing the product. But now that I'm using the 555 timer I no longer understand the full pathways that MH made clear in his diagrams using the FG.

Besides.... instead of just computing VxI.... don't we really need to be computing  |V| x |I| x cos(Phase( V-I)) to get the power in an AC signal ? In other words, tiny delays in one trace over the other caused by lead length or the circuit itself can cause power calculations to go awry if one doesn't distinguish between real and apparent power.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2046 on: April 09, 2012, 05:47:37 AM »
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2047 on: April 09, 2012, 05:55:42 AM »
Howdy members and guests,

This "quote" below is almost visionary and and some people may not always agree with Mile High, but when it needs to be said simply clear his grounded points are sometimes very meaningful.  :)

He won't give you a moderated thread, you are skating on thin ice.  You will simply delete all posts that you don't like or ban people that you don't like.

I am going to give you the tough truth that you have heard before.  In watching your postings since Picowatt arrived on the scene you have made a few doozie postings that reveal all about with you respect to electronics Rosemary.  There were a few real baddies in the mix so now Picowatt knows that you are totally clueless with respect to electronics.  You might try and you can string a few sentences together and drop a few buzzwords, but there is a kind of Turing test with respect to electronics.  You may have carried the illusion for half a dozen postings but you came through with flying colours and revealed to Picowatt that you are badder than bad.

Why am I telling you this?  The reason that I am telling you this is because that scenario that you just outlined with our favourite anti-bogey men, the experts, and the academics, does not have a hope in hell of ever getting off the ground.  If you can't last more than five technical postings on a free energy board, how do you think you can possibly survive talking about your proposition and a test regimen with an expert or an academic?  The harsh truth Rosemary is that you will never survive a two-hour interview and ongoing engagement with whomever you are trying to solicit to carry the torch for you and have the project sail off into academia.  It's simply not going to happen.  I don't like to be so harsh, but that is the reality.

Your best bet is to work out a test plan with us on this very unmoderated thread and follow through in the execution of the testing.

We may leave a bitter taste in your mouth we are the only thing that you've got.  You simply will not be able to pull off any of your aspirations for your project in the real world.  There is no chance an academic or an expert will take you seriously.

MileHigh

Almost every knowledgeable electronic experimentalist here at OverUnity at one time has dipped into the HOLLOW walls of a Rosemary Ainslie thread, each always ending in the same fate as the "first" and the "last" member, from friend to foe, well wishes to hate speech, educated to stupid ..... Rosemary's right everyone else is wrong. This is and has been the continued pattern or mode of operation ( MO ) of Rosemary over the years and not one known or her make believe experts or academics quoted by Rosemary has ever shown up or commented on her device(s) or performance in any forum on the internet.

The idea that a person cannot go to a internet search engine like "google" or "bing" and type in a name of something like a person and get information on that person to Rosemary is beyond her ability it seems. Those individuals or organizations receiving documents or Rosemary's so called "papers" to a journal or magazine for possible peer review and publication are through a blind review process, which means all authors names are removed and vetted using anonymous reviewers, a team of experts maybe engineers and academics are used. There are many of these organizations that if any authors find out a name of a anonymous reviewer or a individual that is assigned the review process and contacts them directly the document can be and normally is thrown out .... they contact you first only if needed.  :-X

The idea Rosemary's totally combined work in any part is so hidden and hard to find on the internet is laughable as anyone whom has looked has gotten an "EYE" full .... and it isn't pretty, any academic or engineer would run to the hills for cover and she would never be contacted by them ever.

The patients that some members have is exceptional for the abuse they have been through, Poynt99 with 2090 posts and TinselKoala with 2451 posts not just here in Rosemary's threads but in numerous other topics actually helping others willing to hear them. Then there's Rosemary with her 3,060 posts of self bloviating some unproven "Fu Man Chu Zipperon Break Dancing" standard model "THESIS", tied from the hip to some device(s) with wild claims of the same unproven nature, plus we are to believe and except it as "GOD's" word of truth from Rosemary's own testing and evaluation of the experimental device(s) she personally invented ( she can't even read a schematic or solder a joint together ).  ???

I say Rosemary get a grip on the situation, get ready for the fall of your life, the hole you have been digging so hard and so deep for these years it's must be getting mighty hot way way down there, it's also getting very dark and the next shovel you take may have that famed grim reaper under it, so be careful on where you stab that sharp shovel of yours in .... the odds are not in your favor.  :o

Cheers
FTC
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2048 on: April 09, 2012, 09:08:21 AM »
Guys - what is surprising about that post of Glen Lettenmaier is not so much the uncharacteristic 'flow' of his prose - but the entire lack of his signature cadences.  'Whom' is spelled correctly although still misapplied.  No 'to's' meaning 'too'.  No obviously ungrammatical sentence structuring.  No tantrums.  No colour.  No reference to vast reams of links that are entirely inappropriate.  No direct reference to my own quotes (sadly).  And no real misapplication of anything at all.  Thank you God.  If his actual signature should really read HG as FTC - then it's also something we'll all gladly overlook.  Just for the sheer pleasure of pretending that we're talking to an adult. To avoid his need to get my response 'explained' I'll use words of 'short syllable'.

Regarding this however...
Almost every knowledgeable electronic experimentalist here at OverUnity at one time has dipped into the HOLLOW walls of a Rosemary Ainslie thread, each always ending in the same fate as the "first" and the "last" member, from friend to foe, well wishes to hate speech, educated to stupid ..... Rosemary's right everyone else is wrong. This is and has been the continued pattern or mode of operation ( MO ) of Rosemary over the years and not one known or her make believe experts or academics quoted by Rosemary has ever shown up or commented on her device(s) or performance in any forum on the internet.
Not actually. Not even close.  And 'HOLLOW walls' of my threads is not the best analogy.  But one gets the drift.  And it's not correct to refer to refer to our members as 'hate speech'.  Probably means 'hate speakers'.  And it's not politic to tell those members that they're 'stupid'.  Nor is it necessary.  It's self-evident.

The patients that some members have is exceptional for the abuse they have been through, Poynt99 with 2090 posts and TinselKoala with 2451 posts not just here in Rosemary's threads but in numerous other topics actually helping others willing to hear them. Then there's Rosemary with her 3,060 posts of self bloviating some unproven "Fu Man Chu Zipperon Break Dancing" standard model "THESIS", tied from the hip to some device(s) with wild claims of the same unproven nature, plus we are to believe and except it as "GOD's" word of truth from Rosemary's own testing and evaluation of the experimental device(s) she personally invented ( she can't even read a schematic or solder a joint together ).
Someone may want to inform this writer that 'self bloviating' doesn't actually mean anything at all.  And 'patients' are those people who are sick.  Unless he's trying to imply that members are  - by definition - ill?  Which may indeed be true.  And I can most certainly apply a solder iron.  I've proved this. Do let him know.  But 'Fu Man Chu Zipperon Break Dancing' is DELIGHTFUL.  Couldn't have hoped for better.

I say Rosemary get a grip on the situation, get ready for the fall of your life, the hole you have been digging so hard and so deep for these years it's must be getting mighty hot way way down there, it's also getting very dark and the next shovel you take may have that famed grim reaper under it, so be careful on where you stab that sharp shovel of yours in .... the odds are not in your favor.  :o
LOL.  Now it seems that he's a statistician?  'Odds out of favour'?  And he's mixing his metaphors - rather too freely.  Explain to him that if I'm 'digging a hole' then I'm presumably 'in' that hole - else how would I reach 'ground' - metaphorically speaking.  Which means that I would not have that 'far' to fall.  And the 'grim reaper' is not actually located in 'dark holes'.  He only operates 'above ground' - else how could he reap anything at all?  But there's 'a definite and welcome reach for some intriguing prose.

Anyway - far be it from me to discourage this effort.  I've always been something of a scholar of the written word.  And it would be very counterproductive to that interest to discourage these efforts.  So.  On the whole - perhaps someone can recommend FTC AKA Glen Lettenmaier that this gossipy little post is a great improvement and delightfully 'readable'.  Keep up the good work.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie Posie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2048 on: April 09, 2012, 09:08:21 AM »
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2049 on: April 09, 2012, 09:22:01 AM »
Well guys - that's it.  A mere 33 posts yesterday - and all answered.  Not bad going for the 'frail and elderly' - all things considered.

Kindest as ever,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2050 on: April 09, 2012, 12:55:20 PM »
I think this thread is going nowhere until Rosemary will do some new measurements without
the function generator and post new measurements results and a video showing
her new setup with the 555 timer...


So as I am getting too many private complains about her spamming now this thread,
I am closing this thread now.

Rosemary, when you will have a new experiment with the 555 timer , the battery tests and a new
video and measurement results , just contact me privately and then I can
open up the thread again. Until then , just work on your setup and make new videos
and document it only with the 555 timer and forget the function generator whiich puts energy
into the circuit.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi All,
Rosemary Ainsley wanted to do some battery drawdown tests together with user
poynt99so I am opening up again this thread.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: I am not opening this thread again because of the legal threat I received of
her lawyer, but maybe there will be coming some new evidence from these tests.

As I don´t like to be threaten by legal action I might pull the plug again, if this
thread goes nowhere again and close it again and make a backup as PDF and
post it in the Download archive and remove it from the forum completely.

Battery drawdown test data is where ? I cannot find it in the 30 pages since this thread was reopened. Did I miss it ?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2051 on: April 09, 2012, 01:18:45 PM »
It's in my video called "The Dim Bulb Test", where I compare the batteries that ran Tar Baby for several hours, against an equally charged, but unused one.

Oh.... you mean "Where's the battery drawdown test from Rosemary Ainslie, testing her NERD device".  Someone is preventing her from testing, and she has NO SAY in the matter, according to her. She has claimed that it's me doing it, but lately she's blaming it on our good host, which I can't understand at all. He's providing her with a platform for discussion and testing and scientific dialog, and all she seems able to do is play "grammar editor" and insult people for no reason. My NERD Tesla test preventer doesn't have that frequency band enabled, so I know I'm not responsible for her inability to address the real issues...

Meanwhile... Testing Kontinues.... with ALL data published in an undisclosed public location hidden in plain view. Just not data from NERDs.

And somehow.... in all that yammering about "answering all".... she managed not to answer anything at all. Particularly the question of just how Tar Baby is different from the NERD device described in the papers. How is it different? Why are my batteries running down, but hers..... well we really still don't know what hers are doing, do we.


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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2052 on: April 09, 2012, 05:15:08 PM »
Guys,

Now that I've got my thread back - partially - I've also got the time to comment on previous posts in better detail.  This one is intriguing. Lest anyone's inclined to take it seriously - a transcript follows.

.99: In the video I realize that I'm oscillating the Q1 mosfet because I've got the 555 pin 3 going to the FG POSITIVE location on the circuit, but now I've fixed that, simply by routing the Pin 3 to the FG NEGATIVE location on the circuit (duh). Using a variable power supply at 10 volts input to the 555 circuit, I have perfectly stable oscillations on the Q2 mosfet drains (and everywhere else of course) and a reading on the inline meter of about 320 mA..... and the load is warming nicely. (9 volts from the 9v battery wasn't quite enough to get stable in the q2 osc mode.) I found that the 555 gets hot and glitchy so I put a heat sink on it and now it is perfectly stable, has been running the Tar Baby and heating the load with Q2 oscs only for an hour or so, load is up to 104 F.

Here's how I read this paragraph.

"I got the oscillations even though I put the 555 pin 3 at the FG positive.  But I've fixed that.  I changed to a variable power supply and I also put that 555 pin 2 to the FG negative.  And now.  Surprisingly all is STILL oscillating as it should be.  Everywhere.  And off my little inline ammeter I can show a current drawn down at 320 mA... Although my little inline ammeter can't read amperage at these frequencies.  And the load is warming up nicely - but that 'warm up' is ONLY due to the 'tuning prior to the oscillations.  It has nothing to do with the oscillations themselves - which are essentially valueless.  I've already explained this.  In my previous video related to this.  And nor am I about to tell you the actual voltage across the batteries - because then I'd have to admit that I'm using batteries.  And worse still - you'll be able to calculate how much energy is being dissipated at that load.  Or you might.  God forbid that anything become that relevant.  So.  For now.  Pro temp.  Assume that it is NOT whatever is shown.  And while I'm at it - DID I MENTION THAT THERE ARE PHASE SHIFTS?  If not... then look closely.  8) And I'll not bother to calculate the voltage across the load - but REST ASSURED.  It's sum is NEGATIVE.  I sucked that number out of my thumb after I'd washed my hands.  But before my manicure.  That way you can assume freely.  Like I do.  And I am most earnestly IMPLYING that we're doing a replication of the NERD circuit array and not the TK TAR BABY which stands for 'TERRIBLE KIND OF TRIAL AT REPLICATING - BABY.  And BABY stands for Badly Advised By an Y'idiot."

So indeed - if I do not view TK's videos then I may very well fall 'behind'.  And thankfully TK's work PROGRESSES. And thankfully I took note of his caution.  As for the rest of that post - I think I covered that point where he proposed that he was, in fact an ANONYMOUS BLIND REVIEWER.  Golly.  Thankfully he's basing his review of his own hard work on that Terrible Kind of Trial at Replicating.  BABY.  And being blind he's  under no obligation to refer to facts. 

THANKFULLY.
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2053 on: April 09, 2012, 05:17:07 PM »
Rosemary,

Do all of your "collaborators" agree with your assertion that no current can flow through a function generator?

PW

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2054 on: April 09, 2012, 06:06:24 PM »
Rosemary,

Do all of your "collaborators" agree with your assertion that no current can flow through a function generator?

PW

We do not measure an input of  current from the function generator.  On the contrary.  It seems that current is being returned there.

Rosemary

 

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