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Offline MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2025 on: April 09, 2012, 01:07:59 AM »
I just suggested that we try to agree on a test plan, where you lead since it's your project.  We have been talking about a low-tech brute force style test for the past few days so it should be doable.

Dropping the line "revealing my cards" is the totally wrong attitude.  You should be pleased and open and willing to discuss how to do a test and then take the plunge and do it.

Instead it's the Never Ending Rosemary Drama.  I double-dare you:

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2026 on: April 09, 2012, 01:08:46 AM »
Oh that's rich.

"I'm not going to test anything until I can get acknowledged experts to agree with me. And no one who disagrees with me can be an expert since they clearly don't know what they are doing."

Therefore, Rosemary, you will not be performing any tests. Because like Professor Kahn, they take one look at your "papers" and understand what they are dealing with, and back away as rapidly as possible.

You think I'm humbugger, that picowatt is harvey, and harvey is me. You make the most ridiculous statements that are refuted by a couple of cliks and Wikipedia...over and over and over. You are corrected on irrefutable errors and yet you persist in them for WEEKS and WEEKs, post after post, until even you can no longer defend your position, like with your bogus calculations and your "schematics". Then you just move on, without even any shame or attempts to do better in the future. You express your profound ignorance of just about every topic you comment on, and yet you think your position is unassailable... while everybody is laughing at you, in your face and behind your back. You are pitiful... but I don't pity you. I have watched you do the same thing for years: you sucker people into interacting with you by pretending to be sweet and innocent, then when they begin to see your true colors you turn on them with your vile invective and your hypocritical rantings and threats. The Naked Scientists, Asthweth, Aaron, Harvey, Fuzzy, and more... all these people started out just like picowatt, asking reasonable questions and pointing out inconsistencies and asking you for details and wondering why their exact replications didn't ever work like YOU claim yours does... and yet you NEVER showed any definitive testing in all those years.

And you aren't going to be testing anything now, or any time in the foreseeable future, either, so why don't you stop pretending you are.

TK not only am I going to be testing this but I'll be testing it under the advices and guidance of experts.  And it will be as comprehensive a series of tests as my pocket can afford.  And they will ALL relate to battery draw down tests.  And they'll include a repeat of the COP>17 test. And I'll be in the happy position of being able to refute those sad little disclaimers of yours - and Harvey's and Glen Lettenmaiers.  The real benefit is this.  That way - the work will be deemed to be adequately demonstrated.  And being adequately demonstrated it is also deemed to be published.  And then our academics can officially 'engage' in their own research and - with luck - they'll take this to the levels that are required.  I most certainly am committed to this. 

And until you or anyone else actually disclose your identities I'm disinclined to take anything you say seriously.  Why should I.  You don't even hold yourselves accountable for anything you say or you allege.  Just a whole bunch of anonymous Internet users  - assuming the right to insult a serious researcher and denigrate their work - based on the assumed authority of a 'talking head'.  Please.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2027 on: April 09, 2012, 01:13:03 AM »
I just suggested that we try to agree on a test plan, where you lead since it's your project.  We have been talking about a low-tech brute force style test for the past few days so it should be doable.

Dropping the line "revealing my cards" is the totally wrong attitude.  You should be pleased and open and willing to discuss how to do a test and then take the plunge and do it.

Instead it's the Never Ending Rosemary Drama.  I double-dare you:

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Of course we'll engage openly.  But only when I've got a moderated thread - as Harti's proposed.   God knows it's needed. 

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2028 on: April 09, 2012, 01:19:33 AM »
Picowatt - it seems that you want me to state the obvious. If you expect any co-operation from me related to anything at all then I would require that you prove some level of impartiality - AT LEAST.  Failing which I must assume that you are as thick as a thief with TK.  That you probably instruct him.  Else how do you explain that - 'never mind' 'carry on'.  And that  your agenda - like his - is to disprove our claim based on anything at all.  You have NOT acknowledged that answer to those voltages related to their peak to peak values with an AC coupling.  You simply complained about poor eyesight.  You have DEMANDED answers to your questions from me with the same flaunted lack of respect that our trolls employ.  And you are are now regressing to an overuse of acronyms that are ENTIRELY undefined which is the 'troll' 'fall back' when all else fails.  Therefore, I put it to you that there is real evidence that I may, as with TK and MileHigh - ignore your input as having an 'agenda' that is patently obvious.  Quite apart from which, there is nothing preventing you airing your opinions on TK's own thread.  Move there.  I am more than a little tired of TK's rather rushed and anxious desire to 'test everything' in the hopes that he can thereby obviate any further need for my own test demonstrations.  There is NOTHING that will justify any dependency on anything that TK presents as he's PROVED his partiality in every post that he posts.  And that ENTIRELY disqualifies him from comment.  What do you seriously propose you can do to allow any dependency on his data at all.  He's distortions on just one video alone are enough to satisfy any objective person that he will go to some considerable lengths to infer and imply whatever he chooses.  And it seems that none of you are prepared to acknowledge those rather transparent  ploys of his.

And the topic of this thread has moved with the wind.  But currently the object is to move towards a genuine replication that I understood you were about to do.  And to hold to our rights to demonstrate our claims publicly for the benefit of public interest that requires more efficient energy supplies.  The less obvious sub theme is to show up some rather abusive troll tactics for what they are.

Kindest regards
Rosemary


Rosemary,

I believe I have been nothing but impartial.  Most if not all of my posts have been entirely focused on a technical analysis of the data you have presented.  While doing so, I believe I have been polite and courteous to all.

If by "impartiality" you mean I am to join with you in the personal battles fought in this and other threads and exchange abusive comments at other posters, well, I have no interest in that.

"Thick as a thief with TK", I do not even know how to comment on that.  Again, if I am to join in with some verbally abusive battle with you or other posters, I am not interested.  Do I agree with TK on everythng?  No.  But take that green wire/inductance video as an example.  You immediately discredited it as fraud or what not, and those of us that understood the demonstration thought it was an excellent video.  Last night I asked TK a question, and within an hour he performed a test to provide an answer.  I greatly appreciated his efforts and his time to document that test. 

When everyone isn't passing rude comments back and forth, I enjoy reading what many posters have to say on this and other threads.  Does treating others with appreciation and courtesy make me "thick as a thief" with someone?

I fully acknowledged and indeed explained what you are calling "peak to peak values" and AC coupling.  The numbers next to the letters "ofs" at the bottom of the scope are merely the amount of offset applied to the channel to position a trace vertically with reference to the center line of the screen.  They have nothing to do with "peak to peak" values or "AC coupling".  Please reread my posts regarding them.

I complained about poor eyesight because the small division dots on the LeCroy are hard to read.  The LeCroy has cursors for making the measurements we must do "the old fashioned way" from the screen shots, which is count major and minor divisions off the screen.   On a scope with cursors available, the division marking is often less distinct as it is expected we will be using the available cursors and not counting small dots on the screen face.  Anyone who uses 'scopes routinely likely fully understood my comments.

I asked three questions once, and repeated them after a page or two of you and TK and MH bashing each other back and forth.  I thought we could stay above that noise and discuss your circuit.  Your response to my second request for answers was much more rude, I felt, than my second request for a reponse.  I have since learned to field questions to you and if you chose to not answer, so be it.  But if we cannot discuss technical issues with you, then do not be surprised if the discussions occur between those that do have a technical background.  All of my discussions, questions, and concerns will be but a small segment of those that would be fielded during any peer review.

It is only an overuse of acronyms to those that don't know what they mean.  I was responding to comments from TK and .99, and knew full well I could use very standard acronyms well accepted and fully defined in the field of electronics.  When addressing you, I do not use them as I know you do not know what they mean.  But in the quick response to TK and .99, Ibias, Vgs, Vds and the like have very specific meaning and I did not for a minute believe they would be unfamiliar with such standard "terminology".  You asked .99 what Vgs was, Vgs is a whole lot easier for us "electronic types" to say than "the voltage between the gate and source".  Similarly, Ibias is "bias current" and Vds is "the source to drain voltgae".  Data sheets are full of such acronyms that we in the field must be familiar with.  If it were important to you to know what the acronyms I used were, I would gladly explain them if asked.  It is not some kind of secret code between co-conspirators.  And now you say I am a "troll" because I speak using accepted electronic acronyms.

Again, if the rules of this thread are that I join in with abusive attacks on other posters, I am not interested.  I do not know what your battle is with TK, MH, .99, etc and I really don't care or want to know.  All of it is just noise that buries the topic and any hopes of advancing any technology.  You will have to fight your own battles.  I have attepted to maintain a professional and courteous attitude in all my posts, and refuse to stoop to any abusive talk or loose accusations.

I have an open mind and was willing to accept the very small chance that there might indeed be something of interest going on with your circuit.  Prior to a replication, I felt mining the available data to distill the effect to its essence and then looking for anomalous action in the replication a logical sequence.  Apparently, the data is not open to discussion.

So that is enough "off topic" talk for me,  I truly do have lots to do.

Best regards to you and all,

PW



   



   



Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2029 on: April 09, 2012, 01:19:56 AM »
Rosemary, we all know what happens when YOU moderate a thread. There is rampant censorship, editing of old posts to change their meanings, blocking of skeptical dialogue, inexperienced builders making lots of mistakes and wasting time, and eventually you have to give up, either because you yourself get banned or because under YOUR "moderation" everybody eventually goes away to more interesting and freer threads.

You aren't going to test anything properly, and that's not a biased guess: it's a considered judgement based on your long  history of prior non-performance, as well as your continuing ignorance of basic bench procedures.

Meanwhile, Tar Baby is sitting right behind me, making Q2 oscillations that are INDISTINGUISHABLE from yours other than the base frequency, using a negative going gate drive pulse from a 555 timer, no FG involved, heating a load with 320 mA current shown on the inline ammeter, and the load (250 mL mineral oil with the load resistor immersed in it) is at 125 degrees F and may still be climbing.
Oh... and of course I'm using IRF830a mosfets since I only have 4 of the Magic Mosfets and I plan on planting them in the backyard to see if I can grow a mosfet tree.

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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2030 on: April 09, 2012, 01:28:15 AM »
Rosemary, we all know what happens when YOU moderate a thread. There is rampant censorship, editing of old posts to change their meanings, blocking of skeptical dialogue, inexperienced builders making lots of mistakes and wasting time, and eventually you have to give up, either because you yourself get banned or because under YOUR "moderation" everybody eventually goes away to more interesting and freer threads.

You aren't going to test anything properly, and that's not a biased guess: it's a considered judgement based on your long  history of prior non-performance, as well as your continuing ignorance of basic bench procedures.

You and MileHigh have a compulsive need to prophesy.  I'm not interested in your prophesies.  As far as I know there has never been a time when a thread was entirely dedicated to the results of a test and the protocols applied to that test.  That is hardly looking for skilled or judicial moderation.  It is simply the hope to establish some kind of blue print where claims can be evaluated at all.  There would be nothing to stop you running your own commentary - on your own thread - or anyone else doing so.  What I'm hoping is that we can limit the engagement to myself - Stefan, Poynty and some esteemed and revered - and hopefully some of my collaborators.  That way open source is the true beneficiary.  And it's best enabled through a forum.

And then too, the first time ever - we will be able to defend our work in line with some well exposed experimental evidence.  If there are any concerns related to the tests or to the protocols then I'm reasonably sure that Harti will advise us.

Again,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2031 on: April 09, 2012, 01:31:12 AM »
He won't give you a moderated thread, you are skating on thin ice.  You will simply delete all posts that you don't like or ban people that you don't like.

I am going to give you the tough truth that you have heard before.  In watching your postings since Picowatt arrived on the scene you have made a few doozie postings that reveal all about with you respect to electronics Rosemary.  There were a few real baddies in the mix so now Picowatt knows that you are totally clueless with respect to electronics.  You might try and you can string a few sentences together and drop a few buzzwords, but there is a kind of Turing test with respect to electronics.  You may have carried the illusion for half a dozen postings but you came through with flying colours and revealed to Picowatt that you are badder than bad.

Why am I telling you this?  The reason that I am telling you this is because that scenario that you just outlined with our favourite anti-bogey men, the experts, and the academics, does not have a hope in hell of ever getting off the ground.  If you can't last more than five technical postings on a free energy board, how do you think you can possibly survive talking about your proposition and a test regimen with an expert or an academic?  The harsh truth Rosemary is that you will never survive a two-hour interview and ongoing engagement with whomever you are trying to solicit to carry the torch for you and have the project sail off into academia.  It's simply not going to happen.  I don't like to be so harsh, but that is the reality.

Your best bet is to work out a test plan with us on this very unmoderated thread and follow through in the execution of the testing.

We may leave a bitter taste in your mouth we are the only thing that you've got.  You simply will not be able to pull off any of your aspirations for your project in the real world.  There is no chance an academic or an expert will take you seriously.

MileHigh

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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2032 on: April 09, 2012, 01:37:34 AM »
He won't give you a moderated thread, you are skating on thin ice.  You will simply delete all posts that you don't like or ban people that you don't like.

I am going to give you the tough truth that you have heard before.  In watching your postings since Picowatt arrived on the scene you have made a few doozie postings that reveal all about with you respect to electronics Rosemary.  There were a few real baddies in the mix so now Picowatt knows that you are totally clueless with respect to electronics.  You might try and you can string a few sentences together and drop a few buzzwords, but there is a kind of Turing test with respect to electronics.  You may have carried the illusion for half a dozen postings but you came through with flying colours and revealed to Picowatt that you are badder than bad.

Why am I telling you this?  The reason that I am telling you this is because that scenario that you just outlined with our favourite anti-bogey men, the experts, and the academics, does not have a hope in hell of ever getting off the ground.  If you can't last more than five technical postings on a free energy board, how do you think you can possibly survive talking about your proposition and a test regimen with an expert or an academic?  The harsh truth Rosemary is that you will never survive a two-hour interview and ongoing engagement with whomever you are trying to solicit to carry the torch for you and have the project sail off into academia.  It's simply not going to happen.  I don't like to be so harsh, but that is the reality.

Your best bet is to work out a test plan with us on this very unmoderated thread and follow through in the execution of the testing.

We may leave a bitter taste in your mouth we are the only thing that you've got.  You simply will not be able to pull off any of your aspirations for your project in the real world.  There is no chance an academic or an expert will take you seriously.

MileHigh
What are you saying?  Harti's already offered me moderation of a thread.  But it depends on us doing the 555 test.  Which we're more than ready to do.  But then we want to progress to our own NERD circuit subject to the results of that 555 test.  If indeed too much energy is being put into the circuit through the signal generator then our own NERD circuit is self-evidently a fail at the get go.  But that needs to be evaluated.

And MileHigh - I am NOT an expert at electronics.  But nor need I be.  My own skills relate the thesis in support of those tests.  Frankly all testing bores me to tears.  But I'll gladly do this - as required.

Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2033 on: April 09, 2012, 01:45:01 AM »
PW:

I apologize for drawing you into my posting but I had to try a bit of 'shock therapy' with Rosemary and I see that it has not worked.

Rosemary:

Harti is not the right person to give any technical guidance to your testing.  I have said that to you before, surely it must have registered.

So you reject the offer to work with you right here and right now on doing a test to prove or disprove your proposition.

Rosie Nosey, when your proposition sails off into academia and gets studied, how long do you think before we see practical applications?  I want a nice powerful flashlight that lasts 25 years.  What say you???    ;D

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2034 on: April 09, 2012, 01:47:36 AM »
Rosie:

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I am NOT an expert at electronics.  But nor need I be.

Then how come you won't listen to us when we tell you that the battery current is flowing right through the function generator?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2035 on: April 09, 2012, 01:49:06 AM »
Rosemary:
Harti is not the right person to give any technical guidance to your testing.  I have said that to you before, surely it must have registered.

So you reject the offer to work with you right here and right now on doing a test to prove or disprove your proposition.

Rosie Nosey, when your proposition sails off into academia and gets studied, how long do you think before we see practical applications.  I want a nice powerful flashlight that lasts 25 years.  What say you???    ;D

There it is again MileHigh - your prophesy.  Let's get prophetic after the tests.  If any claims are wrong - then it will be very quickly exposed.  And if they're right - then I'm reasonably certain that the accreditation will not be as inconclusive as all such claims have been as they relate to these forums.  And then - who knows?  Maybe Over Unity will become a buzz word even amongst our academics.  That would be SO nice.

Rosie

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« Reply #2036 on: April 09, 2012, 01:50:37 AM »
Rosie:

Then how come you won't listen to us when we tell you that the battery current is flowing right through the function generator?

Because I know enough about physics to know that it can't be.  You electronic guys do NOT have a monopoly on scientific commentary.

R

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« Reply #2037 on: April 09, 2012, 02:00:49 AM »
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Because I know enough about physics to know that it can't be.  You electronic guys do NOT have a monopoly on scientific commentary.

R

That's pathetic and that's why things around here can get abusive.  What a jackass statement.  Ironically enough, physics does encompass electronics so if you actually did know enough about physics you would have understood and agreed.

You "know that it can't be."  I think that over the past two days there have been about half a dozen references that it is.

What just transpired above Rosemary is solid evidence that you will not last two hours, perhaps not even 15 minutes, with an academic or an expert that you want to solicit to help you get the throbbing inductor project to "move forward."

We are all that you've got.

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« Reply #2038 on: April 09, 2012, 02:17:52 AM »
That's pathetic and that's why things around here can get abusive.  What a jackass statement.  Ironically enough, physics does encompass electronics so if you actually did know enough about physics you would have understood and agreed.

You "know that it can't be."  I think that over the past two days there have been about half a dozen references that it is.

What just transpired above Rosemary is solid evidence that you will not last two hours, perhaps not even 15 minutes, with an academic or an expert that you want to solicit to help you get the throbbing inductor project to "move forward."

We are all that you've got.

My dear MileHigh
We are claiming experimental evidence based on anomalies that were predicted in terms of a thesis.  There is no thesis and within your world of electronic engineers no-one who would have come up with the prediction in the first instance.  So don't tell me that a theoretician's contributions don't count.  Then - you claim that no academic will even talk to me.  You are really profoundly mistaken.  And none of them have the rather exalted sense of self-importance that you seem to think would disqualify me in even conversing with them.  I have engaged in long, long discussions - with many of them.  Not the majority.  The majority are satisfied that I'm dealing in a pathological science.  But - surprisingly - the most amenable are also HIGHLY respected. 

The parade of contempt that you and TK seem to think is appropriate - is actually not appropriate anywhere.  I have not enjoyed this time on these forums.  And nor is it likely that even a new thread will be without its drama.  I'm hoping that most of the posts there will be simply the daily posting of results - schematics - and links to various videos.  I can't see more required - short of some analysis related to those questions that are begged from our results.  But it's also something that I've endured because I know of no other way to get this to the public short of publishing.  And notwithstanding two undertakings by two separate journals - this is still being delayed.  Here's a way of circumventing the need.  And getting this to the public is certainly a good thing.  Because if we don't then the public won't even know if there are viable altenatives to the energy supplies that we currently use.  Then my personal reputation is neither here nor there.  Unlike my collaborators I do not earn a living from science.  But what I hope to do is progress this - as best I can - and then let the experts take over.   I know that I would then have done all that's needed - in our little circuit - to keep the knowledge free from patents and ownership.  And whoever wants to take the glory or progress it - then well and good.  I've done my bit.  That's all I want.

Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #2039 on: April 09, 2012, 02:42:38 AM »
All I want is to know just how the NERD device described in the papers is different from Tar Baby. Or, if you'd rather, how is Tar Baby different from the NERD device?

I stuck the 4 good PG50s in the Q2 positions and looked at the oscillations made by using the 555 timer instead of the FG. Negative going gate pulse, the whole thing. The top trace is the output from the 555 timer pin 3 to the circuit, the bottom trace is the mosfet common drain trace. Zeros are indicated by little dots on the right, in the usual place. Top trace is at 5 volts/division, bottom trace is at 20 v/div, timebase is at 0.5 millisec / div.
THERE IS NO FUNCTION GENERATOR USED AT ALL, just the 555 timer, and the very simplest possible version of the astable oscillator mode of the 555 too. One resistor, one capacitor, one potentiometer, and the 555, plus a tiny heatsink. That's all.....

 

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