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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 781570 times)

Offline picowatt

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1770 on: April 06, 2012, 05:46:16 AM »
TK,

Nice video, a little inductance goes a long way...  I at first thought that the ferrite in the probe was damping HF, nice the way you did a with and without...

So, regarding Q1 not turning on as one would expect based on the scope data, I do not know what to say.  If it was connected as in the first paper's schematic, Q1 must be defective for at least Test 1 and Test 6.  It appears to operate correctly for Test 2.

I wonder if the tests are in chronological order, or if Test 2 was performed prior to Q1 sustaining unnoticed damage or inadvertant loss of connection.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1771 on: April 06, 2012, 05:51:05 AM »
TK,

Nice video, a little inductance goes a long way...  I at first thought that the ferrite in the probe was damping HF, nice the way you did a with and without...

So, regarding Q1 not turning on as one would expect based on the scope data, I do not know what to say.  If it was connected as in the first paper's schematic, Q1 must be defective for at least Test 1 and Test 6.  It appears to operate correctly for Test 2.

I wonder if the tests are in chronological order, or if Test 2 was performed prior to Q1 sustaining unnoticed damage or inadvertant loss of connection.

PW

What do you say about Rosie Poser's characterization of that little video? Do you see what she claims to see? She's gone past delusion and is now hallucinating, I think.

The dates and times of Rosemary's scope traces are shown at the lower right corners. Presumably these times correspond to when the traces were obtained and stored in memory.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1772 on: April 06, 2012, 05:52:11 AM »
TK,

Nice video, a little inductance goes a long way...  I at first thought that the ferrite in the probe was damping HF, nice the way you did a with and without...

So, regarding Q1 not turning on as one would expect based on the scope data, I do not know what to say.  If it was connected as in the first paper's schematic, Q1 must be defective for at least Test 1 and Test 6.  It appears to operate correctly for Test 2.

I wonder if the tests are in chronological order, or if Test 2 was performed prior to Q1 sustaining unnoticed damage or inadvertant loss of connection.

PW

I have many, many many samples of that waveform as I downloaded it on a regular basis.  It is very easily replicated - except apparently by TK.  And I'm rather surprised at you picowatt that you endorse TK's comments regarding the very obvious repositioning of that probe on an alternate rail or on the junction of two rails.  His ability to 'film' anything at all is somewhat impaired.  Its a shame that he didn't focus on this with the same level of intensity as he managed in his earlier probe reference.  I'm inclined to think that this was required.

And back to that 'discrepancy' as you put it.  I would strongly recommend that you argue this in the face of the evidence when you do, and if you do replicate.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1772 on: April 06, 2012, 05:52:11 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1773 on: April 06, 2012, 05:53:20 AM »
Rosemary, any scope engineer will tell you that EVERY scope can and will produce artefacts and garbage traces if not used properly. And you are not using your scopes properly.

Mentioning courts again? Feeling your grip on reality slipping away again? That's your usual fall-back tactic when your position becomes untenable.

And just imagine... TWO fancy scopes, both with math and integration capability... and you hook them up exactly in parallel so they show the same information. What a waste of oscilloscopes. You could have shown so very much more, had you only known what you were doing.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1774 on: April 06, 2012, 05:56:31 AM »
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It is very easily replicated - except apparently by TK.

Lol. Where did this scope shot come from, I wonder?

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1774 on: April 06, 2012, 05:56:31 AM »
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1775 on: April 06, 2012, 05:57:48 AM »
Rosemary, any scope engineer will tell you that EVERY scope can and will produce artefacts and garbage traces if not used properly. And you are not using your scopes properly.

Mentioning courts again? Feeling your grip on reality slipping away again? That's your usual fall-back tactic when your position becomes untenable.

And just imagine... TWO fancy scopes, both with math and integration capability... and you hook them up exactly in parallel so they show the same information. What a waste of oscilloscopes. You could have shown so very much more, had you only known what you were doing.

Are you implying that we did not apply the math function of the Tektronix?  Very interesting point INDEED - TK

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1776 on: April 06, 2012, 05:58:57 AM »
Lol. Where did this scope shot come from, I wonder?

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Indeed.  So do I.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1776 on: April 06, 2012, 05:58:57 AM »
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1777 on: April 06, 2012, 06:00:45 AM »
Rosemary:

TK's clip showing the pitfalls of measurement is simply something that you have never been able to understand.  He demonstrating how the inherent inductance in the wire can cause a voltage spike to appear.  That's something that's beyond your comprehension.

PW:

With respect, I am going to pass on the scope shot analysis - there is too much uncertainty in the air and I view it as a moot point.

Please note that just earlier tonight Rosemary denied that the circuit diagram that I marked up was the true circuit demoed in her clip.  Hence the annotated version of the screen capture of the bottom of the pegboard to prove that the diagram that I am using is indeed the correct schematic diagram for the circuit.  Hence you get the current flow bypassing the current sensing resistor in negative offset oscillation mode.

I agree that there is a more robust path through the CSR when in oscillation mode.  However, that current is due to an oscillator that is being powered by the current flow through, and the voltage drop across, the Q2-Q5 MOSFET array.  So the AC through the shunt resistor is derived from the net DC through the Q2-Q5 MOSFETs.

The negative half of the AC cycle times the battery voltage (which is also corrupted) appears to be power being returned to the battery.  That must be the root cause of the net negative wattage measurements by the scope averaging.  However, when the AC shows negative current, the actual current going through the function generator is almost certainly positive.  It would just have to be verified.

The true current waveform powering the circuit is most likely pulsing DC that is almost exclusively unidirectional.  The true voltage powering the circuit is certainly a steady DC without the wide voltage fluctuations shown on the scope capture.  If you could actually capture the correct data, everything would check out.

Ultimately, as has been mentioned several times before, this is an example of garbage-in garbage-out.

MileHigh

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1778 on: April 06, 2012, 06:02:29 AM »
Are you implying that we did not apply the math function of the Tektronix?  Very interesting point INDEED - TK

Rosie Pose
You are applying it incorrectly. You are multiplying noise by nonsense, and you don't even account for the fact that your shunt is 0.25 Ohms, and you think that where the scope says "V V" it is saying "W". But it's not.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1779 on: April 06, 2012, 06:04:04 AM »
OK, Fuzzy, Rosemary, I looked at the EXIF data for that photo, and yes, as Rosemary says, it was taken all the way back at the end of 2010. So it's not another smoking gun after all.

Hi Tk,

I do see what your saying .... but I got the large image from Stefan's posting ...
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg278553/#msg278553          Reply #149 on: March 19, 2011, 08:35:54 PM

Saying this is the set-up .....
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51602/

Rosemary posts a flurry of "SCOPE SHOTS" ( very interesting ones ) ......
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg278651/#msg278651           Reply #169 on: March 20, 2011, 09:46:12 AM

Scope Shot "links" ....
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51610/
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51611/
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51612/
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51613/
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51614/
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/dlattach/attach/51615/

Stefan makes a posting again ....
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg278693/#msg278693           Reply #180 on: March 20, 2011, 04:49:51 PM

Commenting on the Scope Shots and "REFERENCING" the same set-up again .....
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10407.msg278553#msg278553


Rosemary said nothing to Stefan correcting that image to the scope shots .... one mosfet or five mosfet's ?? Look at the scope shots and see if you think something is amiss.  ???

FTC
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1780 on: April 06, 2012, 06:07:50 AM »
You are applying it incorrectly. You are multiplying noise by nonsense, and you don't even account for the fact that your shunt is 0.25 Ohms, and you think that where the scope says "V V" it is saying "W". But it's not.

WHERE HAVE I EVER SAID THAT THE MATH TRACE IS SHOWING A WATTAGE?  Your over reliance on this piece of misinformation is tedious - IN THE EXTREME.  IF there was ever any confusion it was NOT of my making but of your own.  I have NEVER been guilty of saying, implying or assuming that the math trace was doing anything more nor less than giving a product of the voltages.  IT IS USED AS A GUIDE ONLY.  When we get that negative product then - WE WILL ALSO, INEVITABLY AND OBVIOUSLY AND LOGICALLY - GET A NEGATIVE WATTAGE. 

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1781 on: April 06, 2012, 06:28:01 AM »
Indeed.  So do I.
Rosie Pose

Things move fast, Rosemary, and you are falling behind.

Don't you have some kind of TEST to be getting ready for?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1782 on: April 06, 2012, 06:32:31 AM »
Rosemary, do you see that "deskew" setting on the right of those shots that you posted and fuzzy just linked to? The setting that's set exactly to zero?

Do you know what probe skew is and what it can do to power measurements?

NO, in spite of several people and several documents telling you about it, you still refuse to learn.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1783 on: April 06, 2012, 06:38:47 AM »
Things move fast, Rosemary, and you are falling behind.

Don't you have some kind of TEST to be getting ready for?

Well, thats what I thought the reopening of this thread was all about. "RosePoynt"  But look what it has turned into. Just like it was before the thread was locked.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1784 on: April 06, 2012, 06:40:52 AM »
WHERE HAVE I EVER SAID THAT THE MATH TRACE IS SHOWING A WATTAGE?  Your over reliance on this piece of misinformation is tedious - IN THE EXTREME.  IF there was ever any confusion it was NOT of my making but of your own.  I have NEVER been guilty of saying, implying or assuming that the math trace was doing anything more nor less than giving a product of the voltages.  IT IS USED AS A GUIDE ONLY.  When we get that negative product then - WE WILL ALSO, INEVITABLY AND OBVIOUSLY AND LOGICALLY - GET A NEGATIVE WATTAGE. 

Rosie Pose

In the video that you now disavow and repudiate... the presenter says, with your prompting, "five or  or six watts" and he's gesturing... and you are reading.... the multiplication numbers in the parameters box, where it says VV not W. And of course since you do not take into account the fact that your CVR is 0.25 ohms... you treat it as if it were one ohm and just ignore it. To get an instantaneous power trace, you need to divide the VOLTAGE DROP across the CVR by the resistance. I = V/R, remember? THEN you may multiply that by a correctly obtained and RELEVANT voltage trace. "Correctly obtained" means accounting for stray lead inductance AND PROBE SKEW which you have not done. In other words, you are multiplying garbage by noise and getting nonsense as a result.

TEST YOUR BATTERIES in any of the many ways that have been discussed here. SHOW YOUR WORK. Show that you have some minimal understanding of the circuit and how to make power measurements properly.

Or is something keeping you from PROVING ME WRONG? Wouldn't it be satisfying to you, to at least refute ONE thing?

Have you had somebody with eyesight explain that JT video to you yet? Because once again what you assert is simply incorrect.

 

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