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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 832265 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1155 on: March 19, 2012, 01:56:24 AM »
"I remember one answer he gave about it once, you said it was buried in the ground under snow. Couldnt dig it out till summer.  Ahh. I see. (http://www.overunity.com/../../../../../../Smileys/default/wink.gif)    Great answer. Bravo. "

Link, please. "Screenshot or it didn't happen".

And didn't this "alsetalokin" you speak of make most of his posts from a basement apartment in Ontario, Canada, during the winter? Ironically... that could be interpreted as "buried under snow".... couldn't it?


I am lolling all over the place, from my 85 degree F room here in San Antonio, Texas.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1156 on: March 19, 2012, 01:57:07 AM »
Yep yea  umm hmm yea, um , well, alrighty then.   ;)

Ive got this motor to test. Carry on.

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1157 on: March 19, 2012, 02:11:04 AM »
In fact, Mags ... it sort of looks like Rosemary is doing just what you accuse this "alsetalokin" fellow of doing.  He did it differently though... he showed "evidence" but made no claims.... while Rosemary makes claims but shows no evidence. In the first case, since no claims were made,  no awards were claimed and anybody who tried to _prove him right_ by reproducing the device's behavior using _their own theories_ failed. Those who tried to _prove him wrong_ by reproducing the evidence using normal methods... had more success.
In the second case, since a monetary award is being claimed, without strong unequivocal evidence of the claims being made, it's important to investigate the CLAIM ITSELF, since that's all you really have before you. And the claim is inconsistent with reality, no matter where the supposed energy is coming from.

Just as the "evidence" as presented in the video you so kindly have linked... is inconsistent with reality, as anyone with a knowledge of basic physics could tell you.

Remember.... the time you waste is your own. There's a whole wide world of things that _could possibly work_, but overunity PM motors and inductive spike batterychargers and gravity motors and buoyancy drives aren't among them.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1158 on: March 19, 2012, 02:27:31 AM »
Na TK  dont switch this on Rose.

Anybody that has any form of inteligence, would assume that the Whip you you presented in that video was doing exactly as you presented it.  Do you know how many times I reviewed that vid? The slow motion, etc.  But never ever did you once reveal how it was done. THATS WHY SOO MANY PEOPLE TRIED TO REPLICATE IT.

And how long was your video up before you took it down? I have an original copy.
And why not a quick vid to stop the madness? But you wrestle with Rose of her claim, just so nobody out there might believe her, and that they dont waste their money on her treachery. But those what continued on with the whip? Ya coulda put a fraction of the effort you put in here to end that debacle.  Now that is freaky.   ;)

Mags

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1159 on: March 19, 2012, 02:33:27 AM »
"And how long was your video up before you took it down? I have an original copy."
Are you quite sure? As far as I can tell, the original video was only up on YT for about 27 minutes, and it was only originally presented to refute some offbeat claim that Omnibus made, about the impossibility of AGW or something. And if you did the work, you know that AGW did indeed work just as shown. CLaNZeR even confirmed that the magnokinetic Judson dampers worked exactly as described, to slow and stabilize the rotating stators. He even published rundown graphs comparing with and without, and even the specific alloy turned out to be both important... and just as "alsetalokin" said.
So I don't know what that has to do with Rosemary's claim, though.  Except perhaps it illustrates some right and some wrong things about the way people think.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1160 on: March 19, 2012, 02:41:07 AM »
"Na TK  dont switch this on Rose."

Wait a minute.... aren't YOU trying to "switch this" on ME? Who started discussion about the WhipMag?

You are implying that my present work is flawed, not because of anything in the present work itself, except for the strawman I have gutted, but rather by citing some other work, years ago, that you didn't quite understand, and that you attribute to me. Isn't that a classic argumentum ad hominem, abusive?

At least when I call Rosemary an uneducated arrogant liar, I can provide evidence for all of it in her own words.

"DO THE MATH", for example, for arrogance. "25.6 Million Joules" for the lie. "A Joule is a Watt Per Second" for uneducated.

I am lolling even more now.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1161 on: March 19, 2012, 02:49:24 AM »
Sure, I know exactly what your talking about...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SV0mtuko4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgdCyoUNAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHaJzoUDfrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea7E8Au0AkE

But ya could have stopped it all by just posting a vid of what made that rotor accelerate.
Motor, battery, fishingline on the pulley on top. But no. You claimed that it only worked with certain magnets out of the bunch. You gave tips on bearings, etc.
You let it continue.

And Just saying that you never made a claim of Ou and such, just pushed people harder because one rumor going around was that you were silenced.

Just a 1 min vid would have been all it would have took.

So yea. I know quite a bit.

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1162 on: March 19, 2012, 03:03:22 AM »
Lol  that vid was up for only 27 min.   Exactly why was that T?  Waaas there an issue? Hmmm?

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1163 on: March 19, 2012, 03:17:07 AM »

***** BUMP *****  THREAD GOING OFF TOPIC FLAME BREAK
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Rosemary,

If your not a coward ..... and still say your device has a COP>INFINITY ....

I WANT TO BROADCAST IT "LIVE" ON MY WEB SITE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE !!!

UNLESS YOUR A COWARD !!!



http://www.opensourceresearchanddevelopment.org


Fuzzy
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1164 on: March 19, 2012, 04:08:39 AM »
My dear eatenbyagrue

You really are a gentleman and a scholar.  Which, I might tell you, are precisely those attributes that I most admire in a man.  Rare on these forums, occupied as they are with rampant opportunists.  And I see how you're trying to protect me from making any mistakes.  But that's the price of open source - eatenbyagrue.  If one is wrong then one is wrong in public.   And, indeed, you present a good argument - so it seems that I most probably am wrong.  And I'm well aware that most of our members are satisfied on this.  But I personally and unfortunately am not satisfied and never have been.  And while you're trying to promote me as a good scientist - I'm really only a reasonably good amateur theorist.  So it is more than likely that I will 'err' - as Poynty says.  :o ;D Fortunately I have no axe to grind on this issue.  That analysis is my own assessment of a result that has no part of our official claim.  And it's simply based on my own ball park evaluation of battery performance against the energy dissipated at the load resistor.  I would have absolutely no hesitation in owning up if I am wrong.  I have nothing to lose - provided only that science wins.  I trust my history has been proof of this.   

Now.  Here's how I've been given to understand this.  To begin with Wiki defines a watt as 1 joule per second.  And correspondingly it defines 1 joule as 1 watt per second.  In other words the 'time' factor is integrated into that equation.  Now.  In the past I have been to great pains to ensure that we do not use the transfer of heat into water - precisely to obviate this argument - as your own assessment here is also a widely held opinion.  Far be it from me to presume to correct anything at all.  I'm only here presenting the counter argument.  Golly.  I see I last posted at 8'30'ish last night. Anyway - here's the counter argument.  I'm going to bullet schedule the points in the hopes of keeping this readable.  And I'll start another post in the interest of keeping each post relatively brief and relatively readable.  Bear with me.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1165 on: March 19, 2012, 04:09:33 AM »
. Let's say that our utility supply is feeding current into an element on an electric stove to a temperature of say 260 degrees centigrade.
 . Let's say that the element is has a resistance of 10 Ohms.  The source voltage is 220 volts.  The applied current is therefore 220/10 = 22 amps.
 . Therefore the wattage delivered is 22 amps * 220 volts - which, according to my calculator is 2 200 watts.
 . Now I assure you.  While that temperature over that resistor stays at that constant output of 260 degrees - there is no reduction in the rate of current flow.
 . In other words our utility supplier both measures and charges for us for a wattage that they compute at 2 200 watts
 . every second
 . for every minute
 . of each of those six hours
 . giving a staggering product of 2200 x 60 x 60 x 6 hours being 47 520 000 watts.
 . And not only that.  They can also PROVE that the current continued to flow during that entire cooking period.  Their bill is based on evidence.
 . Then.  We turn off that current flow. 
 . From that point onwards AND ONLY AT THAT POINT, our utility supplier closes off that little cooking account.  The balance of that cooking is for free.
 . The pot will continue to boil - for a while - while the element cools - the water in the pot cools and finally that ox tail stops cooking.
 . That little extra was for free.  Because from the point that the stove was turned off there was no more energy applied to that cooking procedure.
 
 Now we go to our own experiment.
 . Our temperature probe was attached to the surface of the element resistor.
 . We took the element resistor to a measured temperature of plus/minus 260 degrees.  (from memory so I may be out by a small factor)
 . It was continuing to rise and it was rather critical to prevent this becoming a catastrophic runaway number that could not be contained.
 . Therefore an insulated container was then filled with approximately 1 liter of water.
 . The element resistor was then inserted directly into that cold water.
 . There was much splashing and a great noise as that hot iron hit the cold water
 . Within not more than 5 minutes that water settled to an even temperature - approximately 66 degrees centigrade above ambient.
 . Then it stayed at that temperature for a further 85 minutes or thereby.
 . From the point that it was barely 40 degrees centigrade above ambient the water was steaming.
 . When we measured 106 degrees centigrade from the probe attached to that element resistor we then stopped that experiment.
 . We disconnected the batteries.
 . We did no further measurements.
 
 . I put it to you that for the duration of that test period being a total of approximately 105 minutes - energy was applied to that water
 . in the same way as energy was applied to the stove that heated the ox tail.
 . We did no further measurements after the disconnection of the battery supply.
 . This experiment is repeatable.
 . And the actual temperature over the element resistor required an applied energy or it would not have sustained a temperature
 . That evidently exceeded 260 degrees centigrade or thereby at the conclusion of that test period.
 
 Which is what I based that analysis on and which argument has been endorsed.  But I am yet open to correction.
 
 Kindest regards,
 Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1166 on: March 19, 2012, 04:47:54 AM »
LOL Guys,

Some more bullet points. 

. Glen Lettenmaier (previously moderated) is enlisted by Harti for damage control to my own claims.  He's given carte blanche permission to do his damndest. 8)
. Then Glen is cautioned to try and keep his posts topical.  ::)
. Which caution is then publicly referenced as being 'removed' - which is all somewhat confusing. 8)
. Then TK takes over the flaming as his arguments are better presented - his propagandising more effective. They work in concert.  :o
. Then Mags steps in to expose TK for the scoundrel that he is  ;D
. Then MileHigh (previously banned) is enlisted for damage control against TK  8) :o 8)
. Fortunately we can rest on MileHigh's advices.  And he assures us that TK is a 'good guy'. ::) :o 8)
. Thankfully he told us this.  Else we'd be inclined to think he was not. Whatever next?   :o

It seems that our forum guidelines are just that.  Guidelines.  And it seems that Harti is accessing every troll in the world to come and work this thread.  LOL.  I can't for the life of me work out why.  What will be very interesting is to see which of us are finally banned.  I'd put my money on it that it won't be TK, MileHigh or Glen.  LOL.  Likely it will be Magsy or me - OR BOTH.  Me for the breach of implicit guidelines where a poster MAY NOT DEFEND HIS/HER GOOD NAME.  Mags for breach of guidelines where a poster may not expose the traducer.  It's all giving me a headache.

Kindest regards,
Rosie Pose,

Magsy - I was in awe of your integrity.  I'm now in AWE of your courage.  It's quite simply amazing. 

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1167 on: March 19, 2012, 04:53:25 AM »
. Therefore the wattage delivered is 22 amps * 220 volts - which, according to my calculator is 2 200 watts.
22 Amps * 220 Volts =  4840 Watts

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. giving a staggering product of 2200 x 60 x 60 x 6 hours being 47 520 000 watts.
4840 * 60 * 60 * 6 = 104.544 MJ (mega-Joules)

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1168 on: March 19, 2012, 04:58:04 AM »
LOL

Thank you Poynty Point.  Not only is this on topic but it's clearly a much needed correction.  I'm rolling with laughter.  I think I should ALWAYS defer my math posting for daylight.  Then I'd might just manage simple arithmetic with marginally better competence.  At least the odds would then be more in my favour.

Poynty I really do like you.  Enormously.  Between you and Mags - I actually manage the occasional laugh.

With the very best of my my very best regards,
Rosie Pose
22 Amps * 220 Volts =  4840 Watts
4840 * 60 * 60 * 6 = 104.544 MJ (mega-Joules)

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1169 on: March 19, 2012, 05:02:37 AM »
To begin with Wiki defines a watt as 1 joule per second.
See "Watt_Def.png" attachment.

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And correspondingly it defines 1 joule as 1 watt per second.
See "Joule_Def.png" attachment.