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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 780809 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1140 on: March 18, 2012, 06:29:36 PM »
And TK,  Can I impose on you now to please open your own thread.  Then you can use whatever argument you want - and it won't then interrupt this. 

You'll be able to propagandise to your heart's content.  I promise you I won't post there. 

Kindest regards,
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1141 on: March 18, 2012, 06:47:50 PM »
You are still claiming a lie, Rosemary. Until this is dealt with... you will have to deal with me on this thread. Or not... that's your continuing choice. But I'll keep pointing out your calculation errors and your false claim of 25.6 MILLION JOULES, equivalent to over 4100 Watts continuous power, until you correct and retract it --- or PROVE ME WRONG with solid evidence. I am not afraid of being proven wrong. Let's see you do it.

What's wrong with the test that I proposed? Take six batteries, charge them fully with a battery charger, randomly select three and set them aside. Make your oxtail soup for a couple of days or hours or whatever using the other three. Then take both sets, hook them up to identical ordinary light bulb loads, and watch, using a time-lapse webcam, to see which set of batteries runs out first. Repeat a few times, charging all with a charger and then randomly selecting the batteries each time, just to be sure. This could be done within two weeks, easily.

Is that simple enough for you? Why can't your circuit be tested fairly that way?

Another brief calculation reveals that, for your claim to be true, since I = P / V, your mosfets would have to be carrying a CONTINUOUS current of (4100 Watts/(5 batteries x 12 v per battery)) == over 68 Amps. Pretty remarkable, since that's way over the rating of the miracle magic IRFPG50 , I think. I'll have to check the data sheet....

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1142 on: March 18, 2012, 06:49:58 PM »
So Guys,

Here's what TK is hoping you'll believe.  Provided we get water to boil - then it matters not how long we keep it boiling you never again reference the amount of joules other than the amount required to reach boiling point in the first instance.  So.  If you want to calculate how much energy it takes to keep a pot boiling for 6 hours or so - to cook some ox tail say - then don't worry.  The actual amount of energy in joules - is only applicable to taking that water to boil.  Would that our electrical suppliers saw sense in this.  Our utility bills would not then be quite so onerous.

Unfortunately our utility suppliers are also not that idiotic.
Kindest as ever,

Rosemary


Now you know I am a supporter, but you cannot use the formulas you have posited.  You made a simple transposition.  A watt is one joule per second, but a joule is not one watt per second.


When you talk about keeping water at a certain temperature, you cannot use the function for raising the temperature of water.  Keeping water at a certain temperature is a calculation that depends on the joules of energy going out of the container of water that you have.  This in turn will depend on ambient temperatures and also the insulation of the container.


As far as boiling, that is actually a different calculation too.  I believe it takes about 2260 joules to vaporize one gram of water (without changing temperature).


But anyway, I think you are very close, Rosemary.  Just fix these simple typos and I think you will be done!

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1143 on: March 18, 2012, 06:57:45 PM »
@eaten:
It's not a simple transposition or a typo. Note that she tries to add the same energy twice, as well as multiplying the energy times the TIME. This is not a transposition or a typo, it's a fundamental conceptual error.

When you answered my example question, you did not make this error. Why are you accepting it from Rosemary now?

In the data she gave, she did not talk about "keeping" the water at a certain temperature. Any replacement of lost heat from her probably not-well-insulated container would indeed add to the energy required. Let's say it doubles it. Fine. Now let's say that she boiled away all of the 900 grams of water into steam in the last 10 minutes of the test. So that's about 330000 Joules to raise the temperature, another 330000 Joules to compensate for heat losses, and 900 x 2260 Joules for the phase change. 660000 + (900 x 2260) == a bit over 2.6 million Joules. Is this coincidentally about one tenth of her 25.6 MILLION joules claim? Note that she didn't claim to have boiled off all the water.
If I had done so, I would certainly have pointed it out. But that's just me.

Got any more of them coffin nails? That was a good one. Thanks for bringing it up.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1144 on: March 18, 2012, 07:11:49 PM »
And TK,  Can I impose on you now to please open your own thread.  Then you can use whatever argument you want - and it won't then interrupt this. 

You'll be able to propagandise to your heart's content.  I promise you I won't post there. 

Kindest regards,
Rosie Pose.

I note, once again, the attempt to silence your critics rather than deal honestly and openly with their criticism. What's the matter, isn't Stefan responding to your PM requests to have me blocked or banned?

http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfpg50.pdf

Note the maximum continous drain current. Compare to the current necessary to provide 4100 Watts at 60 volts. Now count your mosfets. DO THE MATH. If you have six mosfets in parallel, carrying 68 Amps, and each mosfet is rated at maximum 6.1 amps _when cold_, what do you suppose is gonna happen? What's going to happen, very rapidly, when the _first_ one fails? I'll tell you... by the time the sixth one fails it will be like a shotgun going off on your table top.
Is it going to matter very much where the current is coming from or whether it's pulsed rapidly or not? I don't think so.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1144 on: March 18, 2012, 07:11:49 PM »
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Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1145 on: March 18, 2012, 07:27:33 PM »
eatenbyagrue - I'll be back here later tonight.  Hopefully you'll still be there.  Then I'll explain this.  If I'm wrong you'll no doubt advise me. But I've taken expert advice.  I had to.  LOL

Kindest regards,
Rosie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1146 on: March 18, 2012, 07:44:02 PM »
Rosemary,

If your not a coward ..... and still say your device has a COP>INFINITY ....

I WANT TO BROADCAST IT "LIVE" ON MY WEB SITE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE !!!

UNLESS YOUR A COWARD !!!



http://www.opensourceresearchanddevelopment.org


Fuzzy
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1147 on: March 18, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »
Rosemary Ainslie is applying for.... nay, DEMANDING.... a monetary prize, two actually, for overunity performance. If these prizes are awarded, it will be the first time in history that such a thing has happened. A most extraordinary event, history-making and with the potential to alter the course of humanity.

This being the case...

Am I _really_ the only person who believes that any inconsistency in the claims made should be carefully examined, corrected if in error, justified if they are not, and retracted if they are wrong?

There is a glaring inconsistency in Rosemary Ainslie's claim. Just try sitting in a room for an hour and a half with a device dissipating 4100 watts continuously and you will know what I mean. The most powerful portable electric room heaters available in the USA are limited to 1500 Watts.

25.6 million Joules in 100 minutes is over 4100 continuous Watts.... since a Watt is a Joule Per Second. This is NOT the same as her statement, made over and over, that a Joule is a Watt PER Second.

Quoting Rosemary again, for eatenbyagrue's benefit, who doubts that she has this conceptual error:

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Bubba you're getting tedious in the extreme.  Correctly it is one Joule per second - but since 1 watt = 1 Joule and since 1 Joule = 1 watt per second - then AS I'VE EXPLAINED EARLIER - the terms are INTERCHANGEABLE.  Which is ALSO explained in WIKI.  Much more important is that you answer your earlier concern that a battery can deliver a negative current flow - which seems to be something you really CAN endorse.  Somehow?

I'm not going to answer any more of your posts Bubba.  They're getting too tedious.  And they've got absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic.

Rosemary

QED.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1148 on: March 18, 2012, 10:28:58 PM »

Quoting Rosemary again, for eatenbyagrue's benefit, who doubts that she has this conceptual error:

QED.

I am sure Rosemary just made an innocent mistake.  She is a well educated scientist, and I do not think any educated person would think that a joule is 1 watt per second.  She just transposed some things.  I have full faith in her.

Rosemary, I think if you raise the temperature of water from 16 to 104 degrees (I assume it was salt water), that is an 88 degree change.  So 88 degrees times 900g times 4.184 joules is 331,373 joules.  So that is the raw number.

To correctly calculate what your circuit put out we have to compensate for energy lost during this process to ambient air.  Rosemary, I think if you just stick a thermometer into the pot of water when it is at 104 degrees, turn off the heat, and then observe how fast the pot cools, this could help us calculate this part and we could add it to the equation.  If, for example, it luckily takes exactly 100 minutes to get back down to 16 degrees, we would just double the 331,373 joules and add it to your total, so your circuit would produce a whopping 662,746 joules, which I think is alot!

But that's not all.  We would also need to add 2160 joules per gram of water that has boiled off.  So you could weigh your pot before and after the experiment, and then we would know this.  So let's say 100g of water boiled off.  This would be another whole 216,000 joules your circuit produced, which is great.


For average power, the above assumptions would give us 878746 joules / 6000 seconds = 146.5 watts of power.

So I think you are on the right track, let's just get these loose ends buttoned up and I think you will have your proof finished.  You are almost there except for those small slips.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1149 on: March 19, 2012, 12:14:43 AM »
Ya know, TK, you press Rose to give you the truth and straight answers. You demand them from her..

Well what about all the unanswered questions on the Whipmag that you, Tinsekoala aka Alsetalokin, or commonly Al, presented on youtube. You wont answer those questions. So guess what?

You deserve nothing. You really think who you are dont ya. Above all. kinda like Obama a bit.

Ill bet that there was more  money and time invested by others in trying to build what you started, than what has been spent on Roses project. I bet ya.  But you wouldnt be responsible to stop them. You probably enjoyed it all, watching your seed of destruction grow.

Till you spill the whip, you should get nuthin. How do ya like them apples? Ya ole whippersnapper.

Mags

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« Reply #1150 on: March 19, 2012, 12:42:24 AM »
Here is the whip in question...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7CO8No-CE

One of many copies that were made. The original has been taken down, by Alsetalokin

WAS IT A FAKE!!!!!!!    freak

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1151 on: March 19, 2012, 01:08:47 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=whipmag&oq=whipmag&aq=f&aqi=g5&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=764l1756l0l2063l5l4l0l0l0l0l441l797l0.1.1.0.1l3l0

Thereare 125 vids left on YT that contain the word Whipmag  Im in there.

YT is cleaning house lately, of old no longer used accts.  There used to be many many  more.

But there are many examples of people trying to get the effect that Alsetalokin/Tinselkoala had shown in that vid in that search above.

 Mad Prof made personally engraved setups for several people at Fizzx.org to hopefully speed up the proccess of getting the thing to work. Money money money time time time wasted wasted wasted.  Because of you TK   

So why should anyone believe what you say or show anymore?  If that circuit you wanted me to go back and look at was so well done and no trickery, why should I believe you? HUH Whipper?  :o

I remember one answer he gave about it once, you said it was buried in the ground under snow. Couldnt dig it out till summer.  Ahh. I see. ;)    Great answer. Bravo.


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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1152 on: March 19, 2012, 01:28:55 AM »
Here is what TK had in his vid. On the left is what Roses circuit shows as the inductor, and the leds in line with the inductor.

In TK's table top setup, the 2 circuits on the right are his replication of the use for the inductor and the leds.  A transformer with one led across the primary and one across the secondary.  I show 2 of his circuits, with the sec diode in the opposite direction, as I cannot tell from the vid.
Can anyone here say the either of that 2 circuits on the right are representative of Roses circuit on the left? Anyone?  ;D

Yet TK stands by it.  In your face.

Mags

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1153 on: March 19, 2012, 01:32:16 AM »
Magluvin,

I am going to step in and defend TK.  He made a mistake but he redeemed himself.  He busted Mylow.  Nobody could figure it out and he did.  He deserves a lot of credit for that and he deserves forgiveness.  So that whole chapter is closed.  He is also a good decent guy with good values and he tries to help people.

Nonetheless, it was still an interesting social experiment.  It illustrates how many unscrupulous people can prey on gullible free energy believers and how much the believers are willing to undergo "suspension of belief" (in common sense) and go crazy replicating and fantasizing.

The lesson was there to be learned, but the reality is that nothing has changed.

For me personally, I didn't believe in the Whipmag for one second.  Same thing for Steorn, and for Mylow and for Romero, and also for your attempted replication of a faked one magnet no bearing pulse motor.

So it's time to move on with respect to your posting.  It's water under the bridge and TK is a good guy and he redeemed himself.  End of story.

You yourself should stop the bad boy character, it's too much.  Calling TK a "freak," saying "Dumped took a dump on me," and so on.  You are also in a strange position relative to your last posting.  You are giving TK a hard time for something that's now ancient history, yet at the same time you are "in bed" with Romero on your other thread.

TK's replication of Rosemary's circuit, although not an exact replication, showed how easily MOSFETs can go into spontaneous oscillation.  Think of a microphone and a public address system.  It's just feedback, in one case you hear the high-pitched whine from the speakers, and in the other case you see the high-frequency oscillation on your scope.  In both cases you have a sensitive input and an amplified output.

One way or another Rosemary is going to discover for herself or be shown that her circuit actually consumes current and drains the batteries and is 100% conventional and there is no over unity.  Whenever Rosemary senses that a legitimate test will uncover the truth she dismisses it as being unacceptable.  Whenever Rosemary is cornered and caught in a technical mistake she uses her "LOL" strategy to try to deflect the issue.

It's only a matter of time before this whole charade collapses.

MileHigh

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #1154 on: March 19, 2012, 01:49:50 AM »
@Mags: Be careful, you don't have all your facts straight. Can you give a reference to where this "alsetalokin" fellow EVER claimed that his device was overunity in any way? And by your own admission, "al" took that video down after it had only been up less than half an hour... so all other copies are unauthorized rip-offs and may.. or may not... have been altered.
Second, I responded to your strawman black diagrams in the other thread. The brown cylinder you can see in the video, sticking up next to the transformer you object to so much is an inductor, in series with the LED load. When I remove the transformer but leave the parallel LED in place, the circuit becomes just as you have shown on the left, but with one LED. Then when I flip the LED.... well, your strawman goes up in flames.
Please watch the early Ainslie videos on my YT channel.
And the 2n7000 does have an internal body diode, it just isn't commonly shown on its diagram.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2N7000

And please provide evidence of "cleaning up old accounts" or however you put it. I think you are getting a little paranoid.

@eatenbyagrue: OK, you are on the right track. Now compare your figure with Rosemary's 25.6 Million Joules and the battery's 10 million Joules capacity. Did she exceed the battery's capacity in that one test as she claimed, or not?
Rosemary has never mentioned water loss, not all of it like I calculated or one ninth of it like you did. Nor did she mention salt water. She did mention making tea. With salt water? Well, tastes do differ.
So you calculated 879,000 Joules to raise the temp and boil off 100 grams of water, leaving 800 behind (and a crust of salt). She calculated 25.6 million Joules and didn't mention any lowering of the vessel's level, just "to boiling". To me, that means that she stopped the test when the water boiled... but anyway, we know that at the end of the first 90 minutes the water WASN'T boiling, so she had to raise the temp a further 22 degrees AND boil off 100 grams in the next ten minutes, under your assumption. OK, fine.
Now, the battery pack contained how much? 10.3 million Joules. And that figure divided by your figure is... almost 12. So the battery could have done 12 tests under your assumptions, boiling water like mad, before running down. And the discharge curve of those silver-calcium batteries is nice... have you seen it? They don't go below 12 volts until down to about 20 percent of their full charge. So take 4/5 of 12 and get about 9 or 10 or so... nine tests as you assume, boiling water like crazy at 150 Watts, before the batteries go below 12 volts.

 

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