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triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #780 on: March 11, 2012, 03:29:08 PM »
'IB2,I got my small copper plated nails at a hardware place called" Hoods"located in house springs,mo.They are called specialty nails.Put out by the Hillman Group in Cinncinnati,Ohio 45231.Made in Taiwan.Lot#hpm04157. No phone number given.They were not with the other nails but in a location all to themselves.The bins of nails were in another location in the store.Hope this helps.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #781 on: March 11, 2012, 04:39:53 PM »



Speaking of ice. I use to put some of my cells in the freezer to see what would happen and how would they respond to the cold. You could give the freezer experiment a try? I even made cells that were ice cubes with salts and such in them, it was very interesting.  :)


Just watch out sometimes the cells will expand or pop.

@IB: Yeah, I can give that a try easily enough. Some additives (sodium bicarbonate for one!) make cells puff up like muffins LOL!!
BTW, they sell solid copper tacks for nailing up the felt weatherproofing around doorjambs. Also, I think you can get solid copper nails; people drive them into tree stumps to prevent them from re-growing (Cu is poisonous to plants, something to consider...).

Happy experimenting,
PC

triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #782 on: March 11, 2012, 10:28:47 PM »
Paul Lowrance said this in another post here at ou.com in another thread about the energy in room temp surroundings
Big J this is for you too.


So what's the potential of this technology.  By using micro technology it is possible to efficiently extract energy from thousands of thin plates. A plate that's 250 microns thick by 1 meter wide by 1 meter long would generate over 450 watts per side for a total of ~900 watts per sheet.  Stacking multiple plates to 1 meter high gives us 4000 sheets for a total of 3.6 Megawatts!  That's not bad for 1 cubic meter of space, but it's not realistic because we need to circulate air through each plate (which converts ambient temperature to electricity) to keep each plate near room temperature. Remember, if we are converting 900 watts of energy per plate into electricity then each plate will cool down. So we need to keep the plates near room temperature for maximum performance. Therefore, we should [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]separate[/color] each plate by perhaps 250 microns, which gives us only 2000 plates per meter high for total of 1.8 megawatts. Even more realistic, given inefficiencies, we could expect as much as 1 megawatt per cubic meter.

triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #783 on: March 11, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
more from paul:



Hi,

There are various methods that demonstrate this is already possible. Nature is the best example called the Dew Point effect. The clear night sky is 2.7 K, which is why horizontal surfaces cool down at night far faster than vertical surfaces. Also I wrote computer simulation software that showed me exactly how cones and parabolas would work. A lens will also work. If you focus T-rays coming from a square meter of surface onto 0.1 square meters then the 0.1 m^2 surface will become hot.

Although the simulation software is only in 2D space, it confirmed goofy experiment. I believe a 3D version would also confirm.

Presently I am working on technology that will allow T-rays to traverse through a special medium one direction, but reflect the other direction. This will allow up to 900 watts per m^2 of a very thin sheet.

Paul Lowrance



triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #784 on: March 11, 2012, 11:06:01 PM »
Here is a circuit to convert thousands of volts once we have it into usable power. http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/capacitorcharger.htm  triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #785 on: March 11, 2012, 11:32:36 PM »



 I like how John finally went to an expert and found his answers. The problem being is that the experts don't explain the other processes going on there. They seem to forget the mass and surface area matter has. They fail to explain the complex flows of planes and surfaces provide. Some are like coaral and are very porous and some are very very smooth. All the while a strange event also plays out. INDUCTION. Resonance. and surface tensions... They don't include the realms they deem unfathomable. They only provide one side of the story.

triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #786 on: March 12, 2012, 01:11:42 AM »
I conducted some real experiments today.I got a brand new sponge,put it into a dish to hold it firm .poured water from the tap onto it to wet it down good and stucked electrodes into it and took volt readings.What I had done before that was to heat up two copperplated nails until they turned black with copper oxide.I stuck these into the sponge as well plus a steel safety pin.I also had one copper plated nail that was never heated.So three nails one mag strip and one steel safety pin stuck in a wet sponge.
voltages between the nails only ranged from ..011 volts to .050 volts.Put the magnesium in and it went to 1.18 volts and 1.22 volts using voltmeter probe for electrode and mag.So at this point I looked for some steel and found it in safety pins.
next:1.08 volts for mag and safety pin
         1.23 volts for black oxide nails and mag.
         


What I think this means is that I can get more voltage out of  black copper oxide electrodes than I can get out of copper electrodes alone
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #787 on: March 12, 2012, 01:16:55 AM »



Yes black copper oxide is conductive!triffid

ibpointless2

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #788 on: March 12, 2012, 12:33:09 PM »


 I like how John finally went to an expert and found his answers. The problem being is that the experts don't explain the other processes going on there. They seem to forget the mass and surface area matter has. They fail to explain the complex flows of planes and surfaces provide. Some are like coaral and are very porous and some are very very smooth. All the while a strange event also plays out. INDUCTION. Resonance. and surface tensions... They don't include the realms they deem unfathomable. They only provide one side of the story.




The expert told John to go here http://www.chemistryland.com/CHM130FieldLab/Lab8/Lab8.html


On that website it talks only about galvanic reactions, even a potato battery is mention. It seems the expert is trying to tell John that his cells are galvanic.


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@ All,
Here is where the chemistry professor told me to go and look.
Lab 8: Single Replacement Reactions
John B"
In the web page it says that magnesium dissolves. "
When it does, the magnesium should dissolve and copper ions should become particles of copper metal."


One thing i saw was interesting was that the magnesium in water will produce bubbles.






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jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #789 on: March 12, 2012, 02:35:48 PM »
 I started looking back to what we can see at the smallest levels and I think this one is very interesting.


http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.com/2012/02/photonic-crystals-turing-heat-into.html


 I think what they did was grow crystals from tungsten. They just masked the holes with a chemical which will repel the structure building solution. But this is done at very high temperatures. And special masking techniques have to be used. I highly doubt we normal guys could do this.


 My thought is that we are doing the same thing here but at a lower room temperature. The formation times get extended with a lowering of temperature but none the less should be similar. Our method utilizes the matters orientation and how it automatically builds to those complex interactions on the fly. crystals are strange. They are a growing product. They evolve and change based on discrete environments of available material and propagation of that material in the ever changing landscape.
 The strangest thing is we can use seeds to start the process and generate better bases to grow from. Specially grown crystals could be harvested to provide a better matrix to grow from and provide a stronger capability to push or transform pushes into usable energy. These matrixes could be in paste form till they are needed. Once installed into the unit the unit should be polarized then vibrated to allow the past matrix to align to the natural voltages of the plates of the device.
 Now from what I hear most toothpaste has ultrafine sand in it. This sand might be a key aspect to our paste. Quartz definitely should be tried with this. Salts would be self forming after a phase change from molten to crystalline form so salts should have no issue with alignment. But salts carry their own bag of tricks and I think we have figured out a few tricks of our own that helps the crystals go in the direction we chose without harming our electrodes. The only problem then is maintaining the current abilities of the cell. Weather that be sealed as much as possible or practicability remains to be seen. There are two splits now from this one idea. One utilizes water as the vehicle of energy. That gives some momentum having water tied to the charge being carried. The other utilized the structure itself to focus and impart a gain in potential between the two. You could think of it as a lens that is magnifying the intensity of that spot. Just as in nature you can harness the power of the sun likewise you can do the same to this energy via a suitable focal lens. You could think of it as the perfect heat engine. And some are photaic as well. And some are vibrational detectors too.... We have many aspects we can harness all at the same time.
 We have to stop looking at this from the traditinal accepted rule. The still teach electrostatics at the college level. We need to start understanding what electrostatics is really and the laws it follows.

 OMG we have had the answer to cancer since 2007. WTF. Because it is soo cheap they don't want us to fix us. Got to love greed...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0BJKC_LLw
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #790 on: March 13, 2012, 12:12:54 AM »

I'm trying to do some useful things with my crystal glue cells, here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2X4-5q77mM


Due to the high resistance of the crystal glue cells I can't do what everyone else can do with a just a few cells, I have to do things a little different but I am able to do things. I don't see having a high resistance in the crystal glue cells as a bad thing, just using voltage can be very beneficial to the life of a cell. This document gave me some hope for my cells http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%209%20Feb%201993/indexold.html


Some may find that charging capacitors or super capacitors to be very beneficial to their cells. If you charge capacitors and then run your load off the capacitors you can have all the amps you want since capacitors have a low internal resistance. I think we would fair better if we charge capacitors instead of hooking our load directly to the cell itself, once the capacitor is full you can remove the cell and give it some relaxation time to recover, but this is just my opinion.


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #791 on: March 13, 2012, 12:44:16 AM »
@ IB: So what is the best way to hook the cells up to a capacitor? Cells in series with the LED on the + side of the cap? Parallel cells with the - side to the cap? Parallel seems to keep pace with the cells hooked up to the cap so... I guess I need to look this stuff up huh?  :o

Happy experimenting folks,
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #792 on: March 13, 2012, 12:52:29 AM »
@Phi


What i'm going to try to do is hook 5 cells in series and 5 in parallel for a total of 25 in a group. 5 cells times 1.3 volts about 6 volts which is ok by me. The more cells you have in parallel the quicker the capacitor will charge.


The cells are hooked up in parallel with a capacitor. The LED is run off the capacitor. The LED runs the capacitor empty and the remove the LED and the crystal cell charges the capacitor.  :)

triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #793 on: March 13, 2012, 01:11:42 AM »
After I logged off yesterday I added two more electrodes to the wet sponge to test .Pencil lead and another copper plated nail(i had forgotten to use a control).Copper plated nail to copper plated nail gave me a voltage  of .005.So to correct my range for the nails(.011-.005=.006 volts and then .050-.005=.045volts).Now I still see a higher voltage when I use black copper oxide nail instead of a copper plated nail.I repeatedly got 1.34 volts from the pencil lead and the magnesium strip using just tap water.Then I got a crazy idea.I wanted to see if I could get any voltage at all from dry epsom salts straight from the box with no glue,no salt sub,no water.So I filled an empty medicine bottle with dry epsom salts ,stuck a pencil lead and a magnesium strip without touching in the bottle.I got a max of .004 volts from the dry epsom salts.Already the pencil lead and magnesium strip had decided for itself what direction of pos and neg it was going to take.Something had happened at the boundaries of the electrodes to determine the direction of voltages.With no water ,no other things except dry from the box epsom salts and the two electrodes I chose to stick in the bottle.So the crystals are giving off tiny voltages all the time.When you add water and morton salt sub and the electrodes the cell organizes itself (as it dries out) into a crystal matrix that produces electricity from the vacuum.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #794 on: March 13, 2012, 01:47:33 AM »
Now that I know dry epson salts gives off tiny voltages I wonder what else is possible?triffid