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triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #660 on: February 29, 2012, 07:05:18 PM »
Just reporting on my second 18 count panel.I have had problems with all 18 cells connected.The first day after a few hours of being hooked up to a volt meter.It dropped to about 5.88 volts and .89 mas.So I hooked up an LED to it and it burned brightly for a while until yesterday.I tested the volts got 2.88 volts and .20 mas.I unhooked all the wires yesterday And got zero volts on about three cells.Today I tested all of them and they are each reading at least 1.25 volts with most in the 1.3 volt range.My first thought was that the connecting wires are too heavy and they are breaking metal/crystal connections.So yesterday I removed all wires and let the panel alone. So at 24 hours of being left alone without a load the voltages appear to be back up.I bought a soldering iron kit from radio shack for ten dollars.I will be looking into using smaller wires to make connections.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #661 on: February 29, 2012, 07:13:08 PM »
I think each cell although producing voltage on its own.Is different from each other cell in some way.Voltage seeps into each cell but at different rates.Some cells are exhausted sooner than others.These are my thoughts so far on my panel.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #662 on: February 29, 2012, 09:36:57 PM »
I think each cell although producing voltage on its own.Is different from each other cell in some way.Voltage seeps into each cell but at different rates.Some cells are exhausted sooner than others.These are my thoughts so far on my panel.triffid
I am considering using mini ice cube trays and mixing/pouring my elelectrolyte all at the same time to avoid some of those issues (I hope). Lots of small cells all from the same mix should give me about the same VmA readings (again, I hope!). I think there are 60 cubes per tray? For now one cell at a time! :)
Still waiting for some ammeters I ordered to arrive since the ammeter on my tester died (or was killed, I forget...). No idea how little current my cells produce at all.
Keep experimenting all! Still waiting for my alum to arrive so I can start a new line of tests...
And now I have this piece of hardware that is just begging me to try hooking things up to it. ;)
PC

triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #663 on: March 01, 2012, 02:18:16 AM »
Im thinking that the mass of each cell is different from the others.The amount of epsom salts should be ok.I eyeballed the amount going into each cell.Did not weigh anything with a scale.The amount of salt sub should be ok for each cell.Im wondering if I should build these cells using jars?Use large amounts of epsom salts and glue And salt sub?I would hate to have to move around  a bunch of jars.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #664 on: March 01, 2012, 02:22:55 AM »
PC,I think those plastic ice cube trays would be a great way to go.I saw a u-tube video on some guy using them to make a earth battery panel using clay.check for holes of course and good luck with experimenting.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #665 on: March 01, 2012, 09:55:22 PM »
Some people ask me about the amp readings on my hematite electrode cells, here is a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbBwDB3u_w




jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #666 on: March 02, 2012, 12:14:54 AM »
 Well Well.. What about different sizes of the hematite? Bigger size= more current? Does the voltage vary from rock to rock, from size to size?

 Until my shipment comes in I have to ask you..

 When I get my rocks I am gonna have some cut to see if it effects the voltage current capabilities. I'm thinking a thin slice of Hematite then a layer of epsom salts then a gold leaf electrode to complete the crystal/water battery. Hopefully The current can be increased.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #667 on: March 02, 2012, 01:07:51 AM »
Well Well.. What about different sizes of the hematite? Bigger size= more current? Does the voltage vary from rock to rock, from size to size?

 Until my shipment comes in I have to ask you..

 When I get my rocks I am gonna have some cut to see if it effects the voltage current capabilities. I'm thinking a thin slice of Hematite then a layer of epsom salts then a gold leaf electrode to complete the crystal/water battery. Hopefully The current can be increased.


This is quite a hard question to answer. Yes size can affect more current but that doesn't mean anything if you're not touching the sweet spot. Think of this like the old crystal detector used in crystal radio's, if you don't find the sweet spot you wont get the radio station. The amps can very a lot but usually the voltage is pretty much at a good spot sometimes. Every rock is a little different than the next. Did you buy the Hematite the same place I got mine? If so then let me know if they give you a free gift of rocks, some of the rocks are interesting.


I really want to cut some up and use thin slices too but don't know the best way to go about that. The gold leaf idea sounds great, the gold will have a hard time corroding because its a inert metal.


What I find odd about most of the hematite rocks is that adding salts to the water won't shoot up the amps, its all about the sweet spot. I can have hematite and magnesium sitting in water giving me X amount of amps but add some salt to it and the amps stay the same most of the time. But if i rotate the rock to the west I get a big jump in Amps, so its very odd. A lot of study needs to be given to these rock electrodes, I'm sure they will have plenty to tell us.




@ all
Here is a video of a cell giving me 2 volts. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkGJ2tRWxk[/size]




jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #668 on: March 02, 2012, 01:16:49 AM »
 Well I hope I am helping you with these questions. No my source is different and if the effect isn't the same then that will let us know that it could be composition of that particular hematite.


 I wanted to try flat surface first to see if it is shape based differential or somthing within the crystal structure of the stone. I'm assuming it has to do with inclusions in the hematite and you arew actually getting contact inside of the hematite. Having a rough flat plane and a polished plane should help us figure out why these spots are location specific...

 I also wanted to use epsom salts for the water locked in the crystals and for nothing more. Yes it will loose water a bit when I heat up the unit but it should be fine after it resets and forms a bridge of contained water (epsom crystals). I'm not gonna add one drop of water and only use the crystalline water that should be locked into the newly formed espsom crystals.

  I was thinking gold leaf because thats what they use to measure static charge and it is super resistant to corrosion. The hematite should be very resistant to corrosion as well. I think what we are creating is a crystal oscillator in between two electrodes. This is a static oscillator and could be the reason for the strange fluctuations everyone has been seeing.

 If we understand the static laws we know inside of the rock has zero potential. This is a void in the medium of space but that void has matter and the network of the medium inside of it. The pattern of the network is based on the orientation and chemical binders of the rocks mater. This network ai created by matter and is not usually outside of matter but for it's radiated potential or displacement of the medium. Although there is some medium squeezed in between the mater it is of less density then the external network.

 Speaking of the network, that is what I think water is. Just condensed unused network. Super concentrations of the network. This means we are supplying a greater connection outside of the mater creating more force inward. This pressurizes the network and separates the atoms more which coincidentally raising the voltage of the mater in that process. This is why when you make the cell round it concentrated the potential inward even more.

 The flow of current is this pressure releasing converting some of the voltage into current as the water inside the crystal acts like a static storm...Let me see if I can find an example.....

Water showing static polarization:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iC8KDYcdiUI

Movement via static induction:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4UVsfZkwg
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_swQUT1kE
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL41KyTa9h8&feature=related
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPEgV_GFkU&feature=related

 And this is the final example I will show. Think of the crystalline water in the crystals working like this...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4rT_SkhTy8&feature=related

 The plates are the electrodes we have and the static potential is the value of the materials used as the electrodes. It self oscillates and ferries charges back and forth depending on the plane of the electrodes and the charge value on the water inside of the crystals. Since most piezoelectric crystals react to pressures or vibrations this thing generates some of it's own potential and that is the current we should see. Because the plates or electrodes have a set potential of their own they are locked, sort of, to a certain potential. Any additional voltage should be converted into real current by the static potential of the electrodes.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #669 on: March 02, 2012, 02:29:11 AM »

So Usually Hematite is more positive than the graphite, copper, titanium, zinc, etc... that I have used. I have found a metal that is more positive than Hematite which is Bismuth. So now that Hematite can be a negative electrode how can a metal that's already corroded corrode? Hematite has been exposed to the weather and is fully oxidized so how can it corrode if its already corroded?  Using Bismuth and hematite I get over 400mV.


Before I bought Hematite I was searching for ore's like it but the question I would ask to Google is if the ore is conductive. Most answers i got about Hematite being conductive was that it was either not conductive or somewhat semi-conductive. From What I'm seeing every piece of Hematite I used is working as a electrode, some better than others. So this is got me wonder what other oxides will work. Most people say oxides are not conductive but that doesn't mean we can't use them as electrodes. I wondering about magnesium oxide or zinc oxide?


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #670 on: March 02, 2012, 02:34:58 AM »
I wonder what kind of volts a sliced iron meteorite would give?triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #671 on: March 02, 2012, 02:41:22 AM »
Zinc oxide is conductive so I can answer that question right now .You can make at home using baking soda water,zinc and copper electrodes with a current flowing through the baking soda water.The white oxide forms on the zinc electrode.You can take it out of the solution scrape off the white oxide.Put it back in solution and make some more.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #672 on: March 02, 2012, 02:43:24 AM »
I finally got some cold beer.Hams beer  3 cans for $1.69 at quik trip.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #673 on: March 02, 2012, 02:47:05 AM »
Your walmart might have bismuth in it.Just look for non- lead fishing weights.I used to see them in walmart in texas.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #674 on: March 02, 2012, 02:48:46 AM »
I wonder what kind of volts a sliced iron meteorite would give?triffid


You bring up a good idea. I wonder what voltage we would get from a meteorite?