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PhiChaser

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #645 on: February 28, 2012, 03:14:30 PM »
@ IB: I've been using pultruded carbon rod since I started. :) Awesome that you got over the 2 volt 'barrier', congrats! Aluminum can sit in regular water without the corrosion you get when using (untreated) Mg in the same fashion. (You won't see those kinds of results using aluminum though...)
I've been focusing my experiments on those two materials as electrodes because of this. I'm pretty sure the carbon rods I'm using won't corrode no matter what electrolyte I stick them into, but we will see in six months or so eh?
@ NickZ and Jbignes5: Polarization of the planes. Nice. The light tug of gravity statement was well put too! ;) So the 'medium' is tiny perfect squares that are really perfect circles... Is that fairly close?
I made a couple more cells yesterday and cleaned out my spice cabinet to get a few empty containers for more cells. My alum should be here any day... :)
Got another battery for my tester and a spare. :)

Anyhow, happy experimenting everyone! Congrats again IB!!
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #646 on: February 28, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
   Guys:
   I believe the polarization process to be an important point, although not well understood.  As people still talk about the "speed of light", as if light were traveling, which is false. The polarization rate of light is the speed at which light is observed going from one place to another, but with no physical movement actually involved. Just like a radio signal is not actually "traveling" from the station to a radio receiver, but is also "moving" by a polarization process at a certain rate, speed and frequency  which is also dependent on the medium that it "travels" through. 
  Aether is not dependent of physical matter to exist, it is its own story by itself, and is the source which creates the physical worlds, by its own rules that it function by.     
  Everything comes from the Aether, which is the rare-field solution of space. So, this is what we need to directly tap into, or harvest energy from.
    Light is an energy,  but as a non corporeal substance is not the same as anything in physical form. Nor do we really know what light really is, or how to produce, manufacture, or create it from the surrounding ambient. Other than by moving magnets past coils as in electrical generators systems (Tesla's ideas), and solar cells. 
But, it is the solar cells as an analogy that uses the semiconductor system to produce electricity from so called sunlight, and in a similar manor it may be possibly the use of semiconductor system to produce, or convert, or tap electricity directly from the lattice,  without having to use "sunlight" at all.
 

   There is no light or heat in deep outer space, it is dark and cold as hell. Well, you know what I mean.
  Solar cells on space craft are limited to working only where there is light available, like on our space stations in close earth orbits, or on Mars, etz...  Or such as where a planets photosphere will allow them to function.  Light is produced or manufactured, by each planet, and is not send or received or reflected by the Sun, moon, or stars any other thing is space.  Because of the way that polarization works, it MAY be possible to "travel" through space, without actually traveling, such as from point A to point B.  Or we would never get there, even to the next closest star, as we don't live that long. Yet it may be possible to get to anywhere, or communitate with the rest of the worlds, much quicker than by shooting bulky rockets that need to carry heavy fuels through space.

  Ok, back to my cells.

 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #647 on: February 28, 2012, 05:28:42 PM »
 8)  IB - Cool vid with the rock - Tell us more.
 
 :)  NickZ - Hang in there dude, you are a valuable contributor and give us all inspiration.
 
New vid you might want to see,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ypbO2eX1k
 
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #648 on: February 28, 2012, 08:03:05 PM »
@ IB: I've been using pultruded carbon rod since I started. :) Awesome that you got over the 2 volt 'barrier', congrats! Aluminum can sit in regular water without the corrosion you get when using (untreated) Mg in the same fashion. (You won't see those kinds of results using aluminum though...)
I've been focusing my experiments on those two materials as electrodes because of this. I'm pretty sure the carbon rods I'm using won't corrode no matter what electrolyte I stick them into, but we will see in six months or so eh?
@ NickZ and Jbignes5: Polarization of the planes. Nice. The light tug of gravity statement was well put too! ;) So the 'medium' is tiny perfect squares that are really perfect circles... Is that fairly close?
I made a couple more cells yesterday and cleaned out my spice cabinet to get a few empty containers for more cells. My alum should be here any day... :)
Got another battery for my tester and a spare. :)

Anyhow, happy experimenting everyone! Congrats again IB!!
PC


Thank you!


No need to worry about your carbon rods, the only way I know carbon to corrode is by extreme heat (thousands of degree's). Carbon will work great.  :)

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #649 on: February 28, 2012, 08:37:08 PM »
8)  IB - Cool vid with the rock - Tell us more.
 
 :)  NickZ - Hang in there dude, you are a valuable contributor and give us all inspiration.
 
New vid you might want to see,
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ypbO2eX1k
 
Brad




The rock crystal that I used to get the two volts and I showed in my latest videos is called Hematite. [size=78%]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematite[/size]


It is basically iron-oxide, and its mined as the main ore for iron. The reason why I used it as a electrode was that its already be exposed to water and the environment so I don't need to worry about it corroding. You won't find the metals we use in our cells laying around, they're usually rusted or have a oxide layer on them and they must be heated up to remove the oxide layer and that leaves you with the plain metal. Hematite is heated up and the oxygen is removed and your left with iron/steel. Iron will always want to go back to hematite so why not just use hematite, nature's electrode? Hematite will always want to be the positive electrode so that means carbon, copper, and titanium will be the negative electrode and since most of these are corrosion resistant we can have electrodes that will out live us. So now it doesn't matter what crystal solution you use (to a certain degree). There is other ore's out their we can use too!


Here is where i bought my hematite, they gave me a extra gift of some more crystals too.  [size=78%]http://www.ebay.com/itm/180629943479[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #650 on: February 28, 2012, 10:32:15 PM »
You know i was thinking you could wrap some coils around hematite since it contains iron and make a iron-core inductor out of it?

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« Reply #651 on: February 28, 2012, 11:34:37 PM »
Here is the solid state cell that everyone wanted before we went to wet cells again on EF. At the bottom is a video showing it powering a light bulb.


http://pesn.com/2011/07/23/9501875_Number-1_Breakthrough_Solid_State_Generator/


"Voltages typically vary between 1 and 40 volts dc but have been measured up to 100 volts in extreme cold conditions."


"Once the material is assembled and initiated it will continue to produce electricity for at least 20 years possibly up to 100 years."


"The first device consists of three materials that are layered onto each other. The first layer is already a known material that generates electricity when stimulated. The second material stimulates the first material or layer to produce the electricity. However to stimulate the second material you need another or third material. The combination of the materials and their composition determine the voltage. The surface area and how well the materials contact each other determine the current. The materials can be multi layered to increase current output. "


http://youtu.be/cXO8ygj6-Yk







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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #652 on: February 29, 2012, 12:20:51 AM »
@ IB: I've been using pultruded carbon rod since I started. :) Awesome that you got over the 2 volt 'barrier', congrats! Aluminum can sit in regular water without the corrosion you get when using (untreated) Mg in the same fashion. (You won't see those kinds of results using aluminum though...)
I've been focusing my experiments on those two materials as electrodes because of this. I'm pretty sure the carbon rods I'm using won't corrode no matter what electrolyte I stick them into, but we will see in six months or so eh?
@ NickZ and Jbignes5: Polarization of the planes. Nice. The light tug of gravity statement was well put too! ;) So the 'medium' is tiny perfect squares that are really perfect circles... Is that fairly close?
I made a couple more cells yesterday and cleaned out my spice cabinet to get a few empty containers for more cells. My alum should be here any day... :)
Got another battery for my tester and a spare. :)

Anyhow, happy experimenting everyone! Congrats again IB!!
PC


 Well my prevailing theory is that the smallest particles ever known are pyramidal in shape. Much like salt. Then those make up even larger particles that make up even larger particles. At some point those triangles make up any shape that is desired. Just like in computer graphics.


 Here is a concept of that theory:


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sierpinski_pyramid.png


 If you click the picture it will give a better representation of the two particles. Now imagine that the spaces are filled with charges and that is what drives the particles. At least the active particles. The red is active and the blue is non active. The non active are the polarizable particles and the red is "charge". The red one has infinite space inside of the particle and the blue has very little space for charges. The neat thing is they are self powering because of their shape and both are highly reactive to charges which are only a smaller subset of strings of smaller red particles into balls that resemble a mass of worms. As you can see from the red particle it is highly dynamic and can grow in size imparting charges of all different values.

 Please remember that these particles flow in a fluid like medium. The red particle would slip through the medium with ease. The blue particle moves via the surface area it presents from the bases being forward so it has some resistance to movement but actually moves via this method. Think about how these structures would move in a fluid medium and you will see how they operate.


 And the use of triangles for computer graphics is common knowledge by now.

 IB. Awesome find there!

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #653 on: February 29, 2012, 12:52:46 AM »
You know i was thinking you could wrap some coils around hematite since it contains iron and make a iron-core inductor out of it?


 You should have read this IB...


Hematite is an antiferromagnetic material below the at 250 K, and a canted antiferromagnet or weakly ferromagnetic above the Morin transition and below its Néel temperature at 948 K, above which it is paramagnetic. But think about the microscopic picture they show. There is tons of surface area on that one microscopic area that water would conduct huge amounts of environmental energy into the structure causing the voltage you see..

 Does a magnet stick to it? And if so, Strongly or Weakly? When you expose the stone to a magnet does it change the voltage you see when you have it in the water and the volt meter is hooked up?

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« Reply #654 on: February 29, 2012, 01:41:06 AM »

 You should have read this IB...


Hematite is an antiferromagnetic material below the at 250 K, and a canted antiferromagnet or weakly ferromagnetic above the Morin transition and below its Néel temperature at 948 K, above which it is paramagnetic. But think about the microscopic picture they show. There is tons of surface area on that one microscopic area that water would conduct huge amounts of environmental energy into the structure causing the voltage you see..

 Does a magnet stick to it? And if so, Strongly or Weakly? When you expose the stone to a magnet does it change the voltage you see when you have it in the water and the volt meter is hooked up?


Yes the hematite is attracted to a magnet, but weakly. A neo magnet can support itself when attracted to the hematite.

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« Reply #655 on: February 29, 2012, 01:42:42 AM »
@IB:
I have some hematite somewhere, for the life of me, I cannot find it.  I did do an experiment though.  Using those little black craft magnets I found the following;
A cube magnet - positive to dry side of magnet, negative with water on opposite side and voltage read .155 Volts,
A cube magnet - positive to dry side of magnet, negative with vinegar on opposite side and voltage read .289 Volts.
A large Button magnet - proportionally less voltage.
A small Button magnet - even less, but still measurable.
A neo magnet - no voltage.
I also tried using copper wire on the positive (oops, should have said negative) but readings were slightly less than using the clip only.
Proceed with caution, I am not certain how to interpret these results.
 
 :) Brad
 
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #656 on: February 29, 2012, 02:52:09 AM »
 If you are gonna go the route of iron oxides then check this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochre

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« Reply #657 on: February 29, 2012, 05:21:00 AM »
Got my oscope today! :) A lightly used Tektronix 422. I haven't had much time to play around with it yet, but I was able to get some standing waves messing around with a probe and some of my cells... Also pretty sure the maximum frequency is (WAY) too low to see crystals vibrating or anything exciting like that. However I believe I can do a lot of good testing by comparing how the cells discharge and what the waveforms look like when they do. It has been quite a while since I have dialed in a trace.....
So, since there are a lot of folks here who have used and/or currently own scopes, perhaps someone will throw some ideas my way. I have some low voltage capacitors coming in a week or so, maybe I can figure out some configurations that can help my research until then.
Anyhow the scope goes up to 15MHz and has a dual trace so at least I can compare cells maybe...
Happy experimenting all,
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #658 on: February 29, 2012, 03:04:03 PM »



 I currently own a BK Precision 1477 15 mhz scope. The one thing I suggest is to find a good earth ground and hook that to the scope. This way the scope will not react to the ground in your house. When looking at my cells on the scope I did see an ac component when connected across the cells.


 This led me to put a full wave bridge rectifier onto the cells and to my amazement gave me a tad bit more dc out of the cells. Now I know a lot about electronics and the interactions with rectifiers and it did not make any sense that I should get more voltage out of the cells then without the rectifier. So this does prove, to me at least that there is something more to these cells. Even if the bridge rectifier was working as some have suggested in a one sided mode then wouldn't there be a voltage drop across the bridge? Wouldn't that lower the dc output and not raise it?

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #659 on: February 29, 2012, 04:00:54 PM »


 I currently own a BK Precision 1477 15 mhz scope. The one thing I suggest is to find a good earth ground and hook that to the scope. This way the scope will not react to the ground in your house. When looking at my cells on the scope I did see an ac component when connected across the cells.
 This led me to put a full wave bridge rectifier onto the cells and to my amazement gave me a tad bit more dc out of the cells. Now I know a lot about electronics and the interactions with rectifiers and it did not make any sense that I should get more voltage out of the cells then without the rectifier. So this does prove, to me at least that there is something more to these cells. Even if the bridge rectifier was working as some have suggested in a one sided mode then wouldn't there be a voltage drop across the bridge? Wouldn't that lower the dc output and not raise it?

Thanks for the tip Jbignes5! I will see about finding a good ground source. I live on the 2nd story in a condo so I'm gonna have to 'discretely' put in my own ground rod, wire up the side of the building, and leave myself access to it through a window... Sounds like fun! ;)  (Is the external ground the unmarked thing on the bottom right?)
Question: If I use the same low voltage source (for a signal generator) on both traces, say a low voltage transformer for some gizmo, only hook one trace up opposite polarity, then add my own cell into one of the 'circuits', can I use the 'alg' function to cancel out the lv source to see my cell voltage more clearly?
I can't believe how expensive signal generators are... Might be cheaper to build one heh heh...
I will have to get/build a bridge rectifier too...
More fun today with my new scope and some cells and stuff.

Happy experimenting all,
PC