Hello all! This is my first post here on these forums. I hope I can add something useful to the discussion.

I am a musician and recently started teaching myself basic electronics and electric theory via the internet. In my online studies I ran across this project on youtube and it really caught my eye. I have a few thoughts that might spark an idea in someone with a much greater understanding of these concepts than myself.

Has anyone tested the solar potential of these crystal cells? My thought is that an anthocyanin and titanium dioxide such as is found in solar panels in addition to light bouncing around inside an already inherently electrical crystal structure might be fairly powerful if correctly combined.

According to Wikipedia:

"In ceramic glazes titanium dioxide acts as an opacifier and seeds crystal formation."

Just thought I'd throw that out there in case it's somehow useful. I'll be quiet now leave the advanced stuff to the people who know what they're talking about.

Welcome to the forum! 


Yes, seeing if a cell responds to light is always on the top of the list to try. A metal-oxide layer can make a cell respond to light, here's a video of someone doing just that. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Edw99PgzQ[/size]

I made a couple new cells today (Durham's and epsom salt) but couldn't test them because the battery died on my VOM (LMAO!!!). So I consoled myself by purchasing three caps online (ebay) for a buck a piece (minus shipping which isn't too bad).
So maybe these will come in handy?
10,000 uf 25v
18,00uf 19v
25,000uf 6v
They look pretty good sized and were low voltage. Vintage GE
Anyhow, happy experimenting all!
PC
 

 Nickz I wanted to quote John B. from the other board if that is ok. I just think this might help you to defend your position.


 "Your right it's boring to go over this here.
 In most cases , light can be considered moving instantaneously, the finite speed of light has noticeable effects. Is the universe moving or is it standing still? Nick, I understand what your trying to say but is there any good answer for you that you would except, except I'm moving around the source."

 In most cases? In all cases if you understand the phenomena of light propagation you know there is a medium out there that light "Travels" through. The only time light travels is when the potential is so intense at that frequency that it causes the medium we float in to polarize. This is an alignment of the medium and yes is near infinite in speed. It is near instant because the polarization moves one time trough the medium to align up and that is all the movement of light does. It doesn't flow in the traditional sense.



 Let me give you an example.


 If we understand we are in the medium the only movement that the conductors have to move is laterally to the plane of the source of the light. Picture a circle. Now draw a point from the center to some point out of the circle. In order for the light to travel the medium itself moves. This movement is polarization and it acts like a zipper. The only real movement is the medium aligning to the previous mediums movement. The light hasn't changed in one way but the medium has changed.


 The medium is the part we are ignoring. No medium and there is no light, no radiant energy. Nothing!


"The Cells: The noise is generated in the cells as shot noise it can be measured with the correct filters it almost corresponds to gravity waves but it can be thermal and conductance fluctuations, or I/F noise that is what I'm talking about as I mention to Jim. It is because we do not have controlled process or refinement of what we are putting together for cells. But I do have cells that keep working here, and Marcus Reid cells keep working too."

 What I suspect is the noise is the charges that are in our planetary system flowing into the source that is in our planet. Take the circle I had you imagine with the line going from the center to exterior of the circle. Now draw another circle around our original cirlc but make sure you connect the exterior line to the new circle. This is our planet system. It is a recycling system. What goes up will come back to the source only to recycle again into the system. The going up is a conversion process from the charges that collect to our source potential in the center of all the circles. Heat is the vehicle to go up via convection. When the charges get to the upper strata of our atmosphere it stops because there is no more matter to interact with then condenses into the ionosphere. The vehicle for transfer was created when our planetary potential formed. This radiant network around our mass is there because of mater. Gases, water, rock and soils all contribute to the radiant network around our planet. So this vehicle that charges use to rise is the space in between mater. And as charges go up they impart heat all the way up loosing the charges as it goes. Once the charges have depleted then the vehicle gets heavy and falls back down twords the source point in our planet. This is what water is! The vehicle with little charge left. Only enough to bind real matter to the vehicle. Hydrogen and oxygen combine and we have condensation as well after that forming. This is what rain is. As the vehicle attains enough weight is flows faster and faster to the potential in our planet. The vehicle is all but invisible to our sight and senses but none the less is very real. Gravity is proof of this effect and is caused by the slight charge that the vehicle still has. as it drives past us it gently tugs on our mater.
 John is probably very correct about it being gravity based as I think the crystals we are using are getting hit and provide us with a potential for our batteries we are trying to build here.

 "I do not think that it is impossible to light 3 Led's for many months, Chuck and I have been lighting 6 Led's for about 4 months now. The only thing is the oscillator driving them. I have said before how the oscillator does this as it works as a pump. Oscillators can be tricky when your talking about BJT circuit as the transistor can add extra energy in noise, so the real test is to lower this frequency down with off the shelf parts and not some cooked diodes that are special. I know that you have worked on this BJT and parts are a problem for you so I thought I would make this simple. I might wind the transformer in the patent to see what the results are. If I wanted to get extra I would do it open loop without the use of the Toridal Transformer. I have not played with this yet but I'm going to. But it is all standard engineering here and no Voodoo. So I guess I will proceed with this."

 Speaking of transistors lets look at this and try to incorporate it into the design:

http://underservice.org/files/magnetic_amplifiers.pdf

I just said the same thing nick rofl...

 But I would like to say one thing. This polarization is all the way from the sun. Thats why solar cells work in space. The polarizing is all through the medium until it is polarized with mater then it discontinues. Mater interrupts the polarization of the medium because it displaces the medium inside of the matter and the matter is so closely bound to that that it manifests on the surface of that mater. If mater wasn't there the light would go on forever. But the speed of the polarization has a limit in lights case. It is after all the reason we can look backwards in time by merely looking up. Light is merely a manifestation of a resonance(frequency) in the medium of space. If light had no limit it would all blurr together and we wouldn't have a way to tell time. So ultimately light does have it's limits.

 The medium of space on the other hand has no limit. It's response is near unity. Nothing could ever be faster the zed. Zero point would be so infinite it would be like poking a balloon. You thought the atomic bomb was big. Try releasing all the pressure in the universe in a single fraction of an instant. But that will never be able to be accomplished. The medium of space can not create the kind of unzipping that created this hollow we live in. Yes I said it. There was no big bang. Is was the advent of a bubble in the black hole we live in. We must live in a Black hole because there is a vacuum in space. That vacuum is self evident that we are in a container. However big that container is, it must be beyond belief at the size of this container.

 We know how to create a vacuum on earth so it must be the same process out there. *Points up* The problem is I think this container is steadily growing. Ever since the unzipping it has expanded like a balloon. This is why the Universe is speeding up. This is why the distances are growing steadily between galaxies. The bubble is expanding.

I was able to break the 2 volt barrier today! 


I had to use a rock as one of my electrodes and then magnesium ribbon in tap water.


Can anyone guess what rock that is, its a common rock. 

 sandstone?

Nope, its not sandstone.


@all
With this rock I've found that it always wants to be the positive electrode. So what that means is yes, carbon/graphite is a negative electrode. Normally carbon is always a positive electrode but not when you use this rock. Can carbon corrode? Copper and titanium are also a negative electrode and the great thing about titanium is that its super corrosion resistant.

Granite?


 have to say though IB that stone looked really wet So I would think that much water on the surface is doing all your conduction. Through the evaporation portion of water it is probably generating it's own voltage trough that process or something similar..

Sorry its not Granite.


The rock is naturally dark in color, only the bottom of the rock is wet.


Also many people may say its the clip lead that is reason for voltage but the clip lead is zinc and its no way that zinc and magnesium could produce over 2 volts.


I don't see water evaporating could be the reason for the voltage.


You're getting closer to the answer i would say. As soon as i hear more guess from others I let everyone know what it is and where to get it. Thank you for playing along. 

IB2,I think its great you reached the two volt record.I made copper oxide solar cells back in the early 1990's in my kitchen like your video  you found shows.I did not use saltwater.I used elmers glue to attach a conductive window screen to the front.Scratched a small area bare on the
back of the copper plate to attach a wire to.When I heated the copper plate until it was black I plunged it into tap water out of the tap to knock the black oxide off.With wires attached to the screen and to the bare spot on the back of the plate it was ready for testing once the elmers glue dried clear.So its funny that I'm working with elmers glue again 20 years later.triffid

wow thats cool. Back to using glue again, its great stuff.