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ibpointless2

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #555 on: February 22, 2012, 01:20:16 PM »
this is how i am calculating my watts:
volts x amps= watts
millivolts x milliamps=milliwatts


When i get 8.02 volts and .20 milliamps I do it like this 8.02volts x1000millivolts/volts x .20 milliamps=1605milliwattsx1watt/1000milliwatts=1.6watts




you have to convert volts to millivolts so you multiply by 1000.Then divide by 1000 to get watts out of milliwatts.This is how I have been doing all of my calculations.


So 1.6watts is what I am getting out of my aspirin (6)cells now.


And for the six cells of vitamin C cells,7.8 volts and .45ma   3.51watts


So both panels have dropped in their power quite a bit the second week of life.




To calculate watts for 8.02 Volts @ .20mA you must convert the .20mA to amps. .20mA = 0.0002A [size=78%]http://www.convertunits.com/from/milliamps/to/amps[/size]


Then you take 8.02 volts * 0.0002A  = 0.001604watts or 1.604mW

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #556 on: February 22, 2012, 08:15:16 PM »


 Ok Ib,


 I'm starting to get the reason these guys go in circles all the time. Oxygen is the determining factor to corrosion. It is the reason they coat metals with a protective layer. It's not water it is the oxygen the water carries. Too much oxygen like in bulk water and it attacks the metals. Little to no extra oxygen like in crystalline water and the metals survive happy and very little corrosion messes up the supply of voltage and current.


 Don't let them get to you, oxygen is the whole reason things corrode. Figure out how to remove the oxygen and you have the perfect transfer vehicle for current and voltage as it's guide.


 The oxide might not work on the magnesium but that can be fixed by not letting oxygen touch the magnesium. The copper we can use the oxide to protect it just in case. I got to check to see if there is any previously done experiments with growing crystals in oil....

 Here is a good pdf of what I am thinking about: http://www.inoe.ro/JOAM/pdf2_5/Sato.pdf

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #557 on: February 22, 2012, 11:09:35 PM »
Ok PC it was IB2 getting 1.8 volts in his video.I never got it in my experiments.I saw that on his video and pretty much said WOW!
As far as calculating anything I am sorry if I was wrong in my calculations I will have to go over them.But I did report my voltages and milliamps honestly.So you can do your own calculations.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #558 on: February 22, 2012, 11:57:33 PM »
Ok I guess I got my units out of whack?
volts x amps =watts
millivolts x milliamps =milliwatts.So my watts is actually milliwatts? How depressing.


It was a bad day for me today.I needed a cold beer and didnt get one.


Milliwatts is still lighting an LED however,guess I will not quit.




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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #559 on: February 23, 2012, 12:20:12 AM »
Ok I guess I got my units out of whack?
volts x amps =watts
millivolts x milliamps =milliwatts.So my watts is actually milliwatts? How depressing.


It was a bad day for me today.I needed a cold beer and didnt get one.


Milliwatts is still lighting an LED however,guess I will not quit.




triffid


don't get too down my friend, AA batteries are measured in milli-watts and milli-watts can power a LED just fine. You can do a lot with just milli-watts!  :)

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #560 on: February 23, 2012, 12:45:56 AM »

 Ok Ib,


 I'm starting to get the reason these guys go in circles all the time. Oxygen is the determining factor to corrosion. It is the reason they coat metals with a protective layer. It's not water it is the oxygen the water carries. Too much oxygen like in bulk water and it attacks the metals. Little to no extra oxygen like in crystalline water and the metals survive happy and very little corrosion messes up the supply of voltage and current.


 Don't let them get to you, oxygen is the whole reason things corrode. Figure out how to remove the oxygen and you have the perfect transfer vehicle for current and voltage as it's guide.


 The oxide might not work on the magnesium but that can be fixed by not letting oxygen touch the magnesium. The copper we can use the oxide to protect it just in case. I got to check to see if there is any previously done experiments with growing crystals in oil....

 Here is a good pdf of what I am thinking about: http://www.inoe.ro/JOAM/pdf2_5/Sato.pdf




yes, you're seeing what i'm seeing.  :)


Figuring out how to remove the oxygen will keep the magnesium from corroding.


I really don't know what to do anymore, it seems like everyone hates me on EF. I never wrote that thread to hurt bedini, in-fact everything mention in that thread was a concentration of what was previous said to him in older post and he has answer the question before too. It always seems like bedini and me are always arguing with each other, its not that we hate each other its just that we see things very different.  :-\




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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #561 on: February 23, 2012, 01:06:17 AM »



yes, you're seeing what i'm seeing.  :)


Figuring out how to remove the oxygen will keep the magnesium from corroding.


I really don't know what to do anymore, it seems like everyone hates me on EF. I never wrote that thread to hurt bedini, in-fact everything mention in that thread was a concentration of what was previous said to him in older post and he has answer the question before too. It always seems like bedini and me are always arguing with each other, its not that we hate each other its just that we see things very different.  :-\


 I know what it is. You called him out on his 200 dollar kit. It is his business you hurt and now they are getting back at you like they did with me. Call into question why a battery would cost 200 dollars and you get all sorts of crap piled onto you.


 I made the mistake of doing that to Aaron and got the shaft and booted. So I came here. Don't let it get you down. Keep going you have always had a keener sense then those guys follow your nose and it will lead you to the promise land.


 I did a search on Aaron over at EF and he is a school taught sales man. He co owns a "health" store with his mother and is only putting the site up for sales. Thats where Bedini comes in. I found a recording of talk about people in a sales "Science and Technology" conference. It's not about that it is only about sales or the persuit of getting more sales....


 Reference conference audio:  http://www.archive.org/details/SanfordStaabBidiniFreeEnergyConference

 The audio tells it all. I suspect it was the preconference audio.. Who it was made by I don't know but it is revealing. It is revealing about those guys true intentions and that is only sales...... They don't want UL approval of an electrical device???? WTF...

 Listen for words like dissenter or troublemaker. Sales and selling. Especially when they are eating. That event was not about technology. It was a conference about getting sales force and introducing that force into the event, it was only themed in technology. A theme they are trying to market aggressively. It's called grooming your sales force and your targets for sales.

 1:33:00 comes the pitch. Would you like to be part of our organization?...

 1:36:00  See what Peter Lindemann was accused of doing shortly after the sales pitch.. It's hard to follow audio wise but I can clearly hear one guy talking about Peter and who he is and how he is related to Energetix...

« Last Edit: February 23, 2012, 02:42:44 AM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #562 on: February 23, 2012, 01:31:10 AM »
I worked some more on my 18 count panel.I connected the six back cells together.Got 5 volts and .5mas.Now lighting another LED with it.Pretty bright.I may put together another 6 cells tomorrow.vinegar and vitamin C.Crushed vitamin C that is.triffid


I also want to try coffee grinds.I know it sounds crazy but they contain natural acids too.Coffee grinds and liquid dishwashing soap make a good grease cleaner for greasy hands.For auto mechanics it can take the place of goop.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #563 on: February 23, 2012, 02:01:11 AM »

 I know what it is. You called him out on his 200 dollar kit. It is his business you hurt and now they are getting back at you like they did with me. Call into question why a battery would cost 200 dollars and you get all sorts of crap piled onto you.


 I made the mistake of doing that to Aaron and got the shaft and booted. So I came here. Don't let it get you down. Keep going you have always had a keener sense then those guys follow your nose and it will lead you to the promise land.


 I did a search on Aaron over at EF and he is a school taught sales man. He co owns a "health" store with his mother and is only putting the site up for sales. Thats where Bedini comes in. I found a recording of Bedini talking about people in a sales "Science and Technology" conference. It's not about that it is only about sales or the persuit of getting more sales....


 Reference conference audio:  http://www.archive.org/details/SanfordStaabBidiniFreeEnergyConference

 The audio tells it all. I suspect it was the preconference audio.. Who it was made by I don't know but it is revealing. It is revealing about those guys true intentions and that is only sales...... They don't want UL approval of an electrical device? ??? WTF...


I can't believe you got banned. It seems like everyone is getting banned left and right. The guy who owns Overunity.com is a great guy, he often gives me help with my cells. I tried to give my cells away to people who wanted them, no charge, even try to give one to Bedini but he did not want it. You're right jbignes5 and thanks for the audio. What sucks is that others hate me due to bedini being upset with me. I'll keep making my cells and I'll find the golden egg one day.  :)

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #564 on: February 23, 2012, 02:33:46 AM »
  Well... don't feel alone.
   I also got my ass in the fire, just mentioning someones name.  I have never talk down about anyone.  But, I guess we are the guys they must be talking about, the ones that don't know anything about anything. Right?
                                     

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« Reply #565 on: February 23, 2012, 02:48:31 AM »
  I've also been mentioning many times before about the true cause of oxidation is oxygen, and yes it's in the water. The water that we can't do anything without.  I don't buy it, but I can't make cell that have any current without it.  Do we really need current. Do we?
Or is it that we just don't know how to avoid it, yet.
  Jim and Fausto are doing some interesting things with their carbon/mg cells, some with no additional water.
  Today I made a carbon beach sand cell, without removing the salt from the beach sand. I'll let you know more in a day or two, as to how it turns out.  But, so far it works well. Although, I know that salt and aluminum will deteriorate, muy pronto.
                                                                                                         Nick

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #566 on: February 23, 2012, 03:32:02 AM »
@ triffid: Sorry about the bad numbers but ANY positive numbers are good really... mA can do a lot (like IB said)!!! I'm trying to find a stable mix at around 0.75v and100mA but if I can do better I'm game. Just trying to stay away from copper and magnesium (at least for a while)... Pretty sure pultruded carbon rods don't corrode, and aluminum is pretty resilient (and cheap!). I already know it works, I just need amps like everyone else (or do we?!?).
@ IB: That magic mix is out there... Don't worry about 'those guys' dude, they're just like us. Shooting in the dark with a flashlight. Once I was enamoured with their 'ideals' until I discovered that they want the dollars to go with their popularity. Open source is not the place to make a fortune... Better to show the world how to build 'it' then to sell 'it' to the world.
More people working on a problem means more people working on a solution to that problem.
Power to the people!!

Cheers, happy experimenting all!!
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #567 on: February 23, 2012, 03:42:36 AM »

I can't believe you got banned. It seems like everyone is getting banned left and right. The guy who owns Overunity.com is a great guy, he often gives me help with my cells. I tried to give my cells away to people who wanted them, no charge, even try to give one to Bedini but he did not want it. You're right jbignes5 and thanks for the audio. What sucks is that others hate me due to bedini being upset with me. I'll keep making my cells and I'll find the golden egg one day.  :)

Wow,
Bedini wants to have 200 US$ for his crystall battery kit ?

What do you get for this ?
Just the magnesium block and the copper plate and the electrolyte ?
or are they selling also the Joule Thief circuit and LED with it ?

Too bad to hear, that you got booted there from EForum.

Well then stay here ! ;)

I will soon join in again in the battery research.

Will be testing the AZ31X magnesium alloy rods soon.
I still need to find a method to coat them with a good oxide layer...
Maybe the Pyrite coating with Waterglas that Plengo is using will help ?

The Zamax alloy , which is an alloy of Zinc Aluminium and magnesium and copper .
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).

See:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zamak/112613222086205

It is the same as Durafix, ( alloy rods for repairing aluminium cases via soldering)
It is very nice, cause you can make and coat it with  a very hard black layer via electrolysis.

If you use this alloy in an electrolysis bath and use small percentage vinegar as the electrolyte
and put the Zamak ( Durafix rod) as the Plus pole, (When I remember correctly the polarity)
you get the black coating pretty fast on this rod, which is very hard and prtoects the rod from
fast decomposing.

Then use these rods as one electrode in your crystal battery.
The other electrode can be graphite or lampblack with a pencil lead.
You can add also snad or zeolite and use water or water with K2CO3 as the electrolyite.

I have not yet tested Epsom salt ( in Germany it is called: Bittersalz. you can get it here cheaply
in every Pharmacy fand 100 Gramms costs just only 1.50 Euroi)
and Alum yet, but I have recently bought these salts and
will soon begin to experiment again with this...

Btw, magnesium can be easily got by using using metallic pencil sharpeners
cause these are made from magnesium metall.

I hope this helps-

Search here for the aqua cells from Walt Hoffmann. He was the one who started
all this research with the Durafix rods. There are old threads here in the forum from
a few years ago...

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #568 on: February 23, 2012, 03:47:36 AM »
P.S. But the Durafix rods also decomposed after a long time, cause Walter and me used saltwater a few
years ago as the electrolyte in these batteries.

Maybe with just water and Epsom salt or just the Pyrite-Waterglas coating and using only
water this will not happen ?

We will find out...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #569 on: February 23, 2012, 04:41:59 AM »
Hello!


 And thanks for the invite to stay. I tend not to judge someone on what they say I usually judge them by what they do. When called out Aaron quickly deleted my posts and banned me. It was because I was right. It was a mess really and I knew he would pull something like that. He told me That I didn't know anything because I did not do any experiments but IB and a few others know my work. Yes I theorize alot but I also put those theories to the test in my private lab.


 The thing about Water. IB could you post the crystalline water link again so people might bet refreshed on the subject. The thing is, it is clear it is para-magnetic. remember there are two kinds of water. One that is saturated with oxygen and one that has very little in oxygen.The water we want is the in the epsoms salt. That is pure crystalline water. It has very little oxygen in it because it was built layer by layer and that does not include oxygen per say. Oxygen is only a binder in crystals and not used for much else. We need only a small amount to facilitate having the structure and then letting the water do it's job to ferret the charges across the gap of the electrodes.


 I suspect we are gonna need to find a crystal interface for the magnesium so that we don't have to deal with corrosion because all the water and oxygen will be bound into the crystals upon growth. once we have a protective crystalline layer for the magnesium it will be easy to apply the crystalline electrolyte in a setting and let it grow itself closed to complete the circuit. Remember the crystals are like diodes. They transfer only one way efficiently via the trapped crystalline water inside. This water stays like it is because it has very little oxygen in it leaving just very compact water molecules. This of course raises it's capability to transfer charges across the network the crystals provide. If done right with the right shape and geometry the batteries could out perform anything we have today by tens of years.


 Plengo's use of Iron pyrite is very interesting. He has shown that is does not allow oxidation of the magnesium and this should be checked again to see what is really going on. I have my theories as to the process but another person also made a battery from iron and the reversable rusting process. Edison I think it was. But I digress.


 There are a lot of bright people out there. You have to be as bright to figure out who is in it and for what reasons they are searching. Most are so bright they let others do the work and claim it as their own all in the guise of open source. They patent ideas straight off the forums and then say they authored it when in fact many people had a hand in doing the leg work. No one here and I think you know who I am talking about.