According to you Ib2,I used the wrong glue but don't worry I went out and bought some elmers glue-all.I used that tonight in making four new cells.I used tin can lids and copper.I only got .3 volts (wet) from that combination.Make sure your lids are conductive.Some of mine were not.I think a thin plastic coating was sprayed upon them.I made two with tin can lids.I made the other two with cardboard just like before.copper and aluminum like before but one I stirred the glue and first sprinkle of salt sub in,then added epson salts and salt sub,stuck the copper and aluminum in.The last cell I put everything in ,stirred it all and then stuck the electrodes in.Voltages on the last two read.52 volts(wet).My time here was 5:30pm sat.When I finished this round of cells.Sorry no video camera. triffid

To me its a partial sucess that I am getting anything at all.At some point I will try silver as an electrode and nickle also.triffid

At two pm the next day the tin can cells though lower in the beginning at.30 volts are at .25 volts now!But the copper and aluminum cells which were placed on cardboard and were .52 volts in the beginning(both of them)are now .015 and.005 volts.Its no surprise that the .005 volt cell is so low.the connections could be better and the mass of the crystal is less.I must be at fault there.these are the two cells I stirred.I am the one who put the amounts of material on the cardboard.




the tin can cells I did not stir I layered them again- tin can lid,glue,saltsub,epson salts,salt sub put copper circle on top of blob.No stirring at all.The circle of copper was small enough to be placed on top of the blob without touching the tin can lid.So no shorting of electrodes.




The glue was different-a lot less water it seemed-It was set in about an hour.

To stir or not to stir?So far my cells producing the most power are the ones not stirred.


Is the salt sub brand I"m using the right one to use?I do know different companies handle their chemicals differently.Thats why companies who buy and use chemicals have their own QC depts to test incoming chemicals.So if a supplier tests fails then they can chose another supplier.NU SALT is made by Cumberland Packing Corporation,in Brooklin NY 11205.


Do I need to worry about who made the epson salts?Maybe?


                                                                                                      regards,triffid

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i really don't understand why you're getting such low voltages. Are you able to take pictures of the cells and upload them?


How about instead of glue just get a piece of notebook paper and get it wet with water. Sprinkle some Epsom salt and salt substitute onto the paper and rub it in and allow the paper to dry. While the paper is wet test it out by poking it with copper wire and aluminum wire, you should get about half a volt. Once dried you should still get over .400 volts. This video will help you understand what i'm trying to say [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9U6GH9vgOI[/size]




Stirring should not matter. What you want to happen is to break down the Epsom salt and Salt substitute into water and then allow the water to evaporate and this leaves behind a new salt that is conductive. The has water in it so it breaks down the two salts but when glue dries the water in it is evaporating so it leaves behind the new crystal and then you have a battery. So its not the glue thats important but the water since its the water that allows the salts to combine. but once combine the cell will not need water anymore to work.

At about 10:30pm last night I made another cell.This time waiting for the last of the epson salts to be put on it before I stirred the mass.I added the last sprinkle of salt sub,then inserted the electrodes.An hour later I came back to it and sprinkled another round of salt sub on the cell.Electrodes were already inserted.This morning the voltage is holding at .52 volts(9:30 am).Last night the cell was .52 volts newly made(wet).I may have found what I was doing wrong .Improper insertion of the aluminum electrode into the mass.I was not using aluminum wire.I was using pull tabs from aluminum soda cans.I was laying them on top of the mass thinking that would be good enough.And pressing down a little.Last night I inserted that pull tab halfway into the mass and it made a big difference.




So I may have found what I was doing wrong.

I have some ideas maybe on how to pulse these cells to get more power.I would like to use some of their energy to pulse them and get more power out.Afterall a teaspoon of space contains enough energy to boil away all the oceans of the world or so I have heard.triffid

I had made a cell with copper wire and pencil leads(two together) since the leads are so thin.I did not report it earlier because I only got .014 volts out of it when it was wet. Now thats its dry(over 72 hours),its voltage went up to .25 volts. I forgot how I stirred it.triffid