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« Reply #150 on: November 29, 2011, 07:09:48 PM »

So I took my own advice and tried putting a cell in the oven and cooking the water out of it. But instead of using a oven i used a blowtorch since it gives a more direct and higher temperature than a oven would. I boiled all the water out and kept the torch on it till the material started to burn. I checked voltage and it was higher than normal showing that these cells are affected by heat. To be sure I put the blow torch on the cell one more time and still got the same results. At these temperatures Its hard for water to exist, so the leads me to think my cells are not using water.


I'm calling it the blowtorch cell, its like the crystal glue cell but it lacks glue. The blow torch cell uses Epsom salt and salt substitute with copper and magnesium electrodes.


I will be uploading a video of the new cell and me cooking it with a blowtorch.

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« Reply #151 on: November 29, 2011, 10:38:55 PM »
  My new little carbon/aluminum cells are almost ready to be used, but the glue that I placed on top is still drying. They are now read over a volt each, but their current output is still being affected by the water in the glue, until it drys. I didn't want to put these cell in the oven, I'd rather just give them some time. I should have used the 5 minute E-poxy, but I had white glue on hand. 
  I'll probably need to make a couple more cells so that I can light a white led with them. Actually if you need to have 4 volts to light an led, you problably need at least 6 volts output  from these cells, as they drop in votage by half or more as soon as they are connected to the leds.

 
 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2011, 02:12:59 AM »

Taking a blow torch to a cell was not good enough for some and it was suggested to bake the cell in the oven. So I took Epsom salt and Salt substitute with copper and magnesium electrodes and put it the oven for 30 minutes at 400 degrees F. I did get a higher increase in voltage just like the blowtorch cells but the voltage is not the same as the blowtorch cell. The amps were much lower too. Don't know if the blowtorch cell had such a sudden increase in temp and it jump in power or what. I think the cell that was cooked in the oven was a fair test to see if water is trapped in the cell. About 1.520 volts @ 50 micro-amps is what I got from a cell that was in the oven for 30 minutes being cooked at 400 degrees F. These results are not that bad, this high heat and long time should have killed the cell.


 I will be uploading a video soon on the oven dried cell.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2011, 03:18:53 AM »

Crystal cell cooked in over for 30 minutes @ 400 degrees F


http://youtu.be/qg2wwmAxR1c


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #154 on: November 30, 2011, 03:56:20 AM »
Give the cell some time to rest before stressing it. Let it form it's structure first based on the metals present. Let it grow before doing any work with it. Just leave it for a few days even.


 My test with the aluminum can from a cap and carbon is going good I guess. I am still waiting for it to dry. I used water only as a binder and compactor for the carbon. I have been tamping the carbon to make it give it's water up and compacting the carbon. It it pretty solid right now and is just about to be dry enough for the test. Maybe a few days more then a final low level drying in the oven. It's a slow process but it is coming along. Initial tests were .3 volts but it is still wet. I am not gonna stress it yet.


 On the other hand I found out these crystalline batteries are AC batteries. Usually higher in voltage then you get from the dc side. I am running a bridge rectifier off of the ac voltage and feeding that to a capacitor running a bright white led. The thing is it isn't hurting the dc side. Please measure across several batteries and see if there is an ac signal there at double the voltage of the dc value. If there is then run it through a bridge rectifier and do what I have done. This method does not seem to hurt the batteries???


 With 4 batteries running the ac load they top out at 3.02 dc volts solid. When I swap to ac I get a reading of 5.6 volts steady... With the bridge rectifier in the system it shouldn't work if there is no ac present. But it does For some odd reason. Where is this ac coming from, emf radiation from my house?

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« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2011, 07:44:14 AM »
  I don't add any water at all,  just with the compresed wood carbon inside the capacitor can, I get 0.88v, and they go up from there. If you add a carbon rod or pencil lead they'll go over a volt.  Yesterday before I put the glue on top of the cells to seal them I got almost 2 volts (1.93v), in series. Which I though was not bad for there size, just right after they were made.

  If you use Ib salt mix inside a capacitor can, with a lead pencil lead anode you should get 1.5 volts, or so, and who knows how many mA.
 
   Ib2: What is the blue cell reading now?   I still can't believe that you're getting 400+mA. I hope it lasts.
   My hot dog cell has shorted out from the final coat of glue application, so I'm waiting for it to dry out.  It takes a while...

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #157 on: November 30, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
  I don't add any water at all,  just with the compresed wood carbon inside the capacitor can, I get 0.88v, and they go up from there. If you add a carbon rod or pencil lead they'll go over a volt.  Yesterday before I put the glue on top of the cells to seal them I got almost 2 volts (1.93v), in series. Which I though was not bad for there size, just right after they were made.

  If you use Ib salt mix inside a capacitor can, with a lead pencil lead anode you should get 1.5 volts, or so, and who knows how many mA.
 
   Ib2: What is the blue cell reading now?   I still can't believe that you're getting 400+mA. I hope it lasts.
   My hot dog cell has shorted out from the final coat of glue application, so I'm waiting for it to dry out.  It takes a while...
Yeah I know nick about the water. The only reason I am using water is because of the carbon. When I added it to the water it skinned the water . It was a metallic reflection and looked really cool. I wanted to bake it but even at 200 degrees it fluffed up like a cake. It did get rid of a lot of water. So I tamped it down like you do with sand and kept pulling the water to the surface and it allowed me to compact the carbon around the graphite 5.6 mm lead. It still is showing only .36volts but I highly doubt it is completely dry. Last night I stored it in the bottom of the oven which has a pilot light. That kept it to about 100 degrees or so all night.


 I made two mixes of carbon and alum. Carbon and Potassium. I might give the can when I try these mixes a light coating of borax to protect the aluminum. I still havent figured that out.


 I did oxiclean the can which should have oxidized the aluminum to better protect it from the water. We will see...


 Did you happen to try and check for the ac signal I am seeing on my IB cells?

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« Reply #158 on: November 30, 2011, 04:04:33 PM »
  What I have to do with the beach wood carbon is test each piece for conductivity, as much of it is not very good as a conducting medium, but some is.
My hot dog cell, now is at 0.90 volt when last night it was a  0 volt, 0 mA, due to the coat of white glue applied to seal the blow holes that it had. It just blew more holes, but the mA reading is still way down.

 If you can add Linseed oil and mineral spirits to dilute the oil, and mix that with the carbon, you can also press the carbon into any mold. It does need to dry out after that for some days. But the mineral spirits are what allow it evaporate quicker.  Anyways, thats what I've heard, but have not needed to do any of it.  Although adding something like graphite powder, or other things to the electrolyte mix can help to increase the current, and is why I add quartz, but sand may work as well. I've also added a pinch of pulverized sea shells, so it's a matter of trying it all out, but the main thing is finding the right carbon for these cells.

   You'll find that the reason that there can be a one wire connection with your 4 cell set up still dimly lighting an led, is due to the AC house power, so if you turn off the breakers,  you'll  see the one wire connection to your cells will not light as before. 
  I would imagine that since the cells are also antennas, that if the cell geometry and dimensions are tuned just right, they would be able to pick up more energy from the ambient, than just what two short dissimilar pieces of Mg/Cu wires can do. And this may happen at the nano scale as well.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #159 on: November 30, 2011, 04:38:21 PM »
  What I have to do with the beach wood carbon is test each piece for conductivity, as much of it is not very good as a conducting medium, but some is.
My hot dog cell, now is at 0.90 volt when last night it was a  0 volt, 0 mA, due to the coat of white glue applied to seal the blow holes that it had. It just blew more holes, but the mA reading is still way down.

 If you can add Linseed oil and mineral spirits to dilute the oil, and mix that with the carbon, you can also press the carbon into any mold. It does need to dry out after that for some days. But the mineral spirits are what allow it evaporate quicker.  Anyways, thats what I've heard, but have not needed to do any of it.  Although adding something like graphite powder, or other things to the electrolyte mix can help to increase the current, and is why I add quartz, but sand may work as well. I've also added a pinch of pulverized sea shells, so it's a matter of trying it all out, but the main thing is finding the right carbon for these cells.

   You'll find that the reason that there can be a one wire connection with your 4 cell set up still dimly lighting an led, is due to the AC house power, so if you turn off the breakers,  you'll  see the one wire connection to your cells will not light as before. 
  I would imagine that since the cells are also antennas, that if the cell geometry and dimensions are tuned just right, they would be able to pick up more energy from the ambient, than just what two short dissimilar pieces of Mg/Cu wires can do. And this may happen at the nano scale as well.


 I was thinking about oils as well. And this might be what is causing your intermittent conduction problems. Probably viens of sap that increse the conduction.


 The connection to my setup is this.


 5 cells in series. Connected in the normal fashion to a bridge rectifier then to a cap and led parallel connection. I have tons of devices that use ac and have exposed the batteries to them all and no rise in ac voltage. If this was an inductive process the voltage would increase with the increased exposure to the source. Nothing seems to affect the signal including high voltage sources like my led monitor. The back light is high voltage. Like I said I don't understand how this could be done. Maybe an inductive fear cage would shield it totally from emf radiation in the ac field but I am having a hard time finding the source. I think I need an emf meter and see what the fields are like in here just to rule it out. There is only two feeder lines to my room and they are on the opposite side of the room from me.


 This ac signal is not done by one wire I am getting it from both terminals of the 5 battery set. The normal dc voltage is 2.97 volts dc. When I switch it to ac I get 5.4 volts ac. The batteries tends to stay around there slowly going up and down as the day wears on. The weird thing is the batteries still needs to rest because of lower current but the voltage stays about the same.


 When I look at the scope across the battery I can see the pulses. I got to see what frequency this is. I have a wireless router as well so that might be it too and wireless phones.

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« Reply #160 on: November 30, 2011, 06:12:24 PM »
  It may not make sense but it is caused by the fact that the ground and neutral lines inside the house run parallel to the positive AC lines and do transfer some juice by induction or capacitance to the ground lines. This type of energy can travel across surfaces, like tables, tile floors, etz...  All it takes to test it is to turn off the house breakers.  I was trying to make that dim led light up brighter, on just one wire connection, by using coils and inductors, but I have not been able to, yet.  In anycase, I'm looking for the real ambient pulse and not the AC or Fm frequency sources. It is as illusive as it gets,  but it was fun playing with that effect, and is good training for the real thing.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #161 on: November 30, 2011, 07:24:25 PM »


 Well it's funny that I have a lamp right next to it and when I switch it on it degrades the ac signal or dampens it. Weird.. It's doesn't make any sense. Our Ac system is somehow interfering with whatever these things are receiving. Hmm.. I turn the light off and the signal gets stronger or more pronounced. I might have to check the ground of the scope to make sure I am not getting slight hums from anything else. I'll have to smooth it out with a capacitor or something like that.

 Also if I disconnect the voltage meter the led gets brighter.. Hmmm... So we can't measure the device for some reason. Well not with regular devices.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #162 on: November 30, 2011, 07:49:16 PM »
 You need to make an AV plug to really see the effects. I connect one ground wire (outside earth ground) to one side of the AV plug, and go touch this and that...
 
  You'll see what I mean if you turn off the house breakers, the dim led on the 5 cells will go out.

  I wanted to combine the cells input along with the ground input, to see if I can make the dim led get brighter, but it was like adding water to oil, and I could not get them to add up. Two different incompatible frequencies.  I'm just learning about this stuff, but the trick is to tap the right natural frequency and not just  the man made ones, as those can all stop working and fail, at any time. If the natural frequencies fail, it's time to look for a better place to live.

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« Reply #163 on: November 30, 2011, 08:42:15 PM »
Guys its normal to see a AC voltage on a cell, A digital meters do this. Even hooking a AA battery up to a digital meter to read its AC voltage will show almost double the voltage than a DC voltage. But swap the polarity on the AC meter and you'll get no voltage, if it was truly AC voltage then you would get a voltage even when you switch the polarity. Hooking any type of diode to the cell will have it affected by the electromagnetic radiation that's in the house.

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« Reply #164 on: December 01, 2011, 02:48:44 AM »
Guys its normal to see a AC voltage on a cell, A digital meters do this. Even hooking a AA battery up to a digital meter to read its AC voltage will show almost double the voltage than a DC voltage. But swap the polarity on the AC meter and you'll get no voltage, if it was truly AC voltage then you would get a voltage even when you switch the polarity. Hooking any type of diode to the cell will have it affected by the electromagnetic radiation that's in the house.


 But why is there a signal. I can also see a signal on my scope. it is around 100k a second and they are pulses I see them in the range of 10 uS on the scope. That is micro seconds. The funny thing is I don't see this on the carbon battery nick. The signal is flat. But when I added it to the other batteries it did boost the led brightness. So maybe they are the stronger heavy current types.


 The carbon I am using is not the right kind. I'm thinking it will need the quartz to boost the voltage. It should be like the more you use it the better it conducts. I am starting to understand why you asked me about the water. You want the little crystals from the shavings. After I cut the carbon up I mushed it till it got like graphite power. It is still everywhere! Rofl...


 I was thinking we could print these out? Then stack them together around the center electrode. then insert them into a carbon lined container? Having every other layers smaller and bigger will allow for better staying power. Remember wave guides that whistle in the wind. The wind in this case is polarized charges flowing trough the aluminum or magnesium and into the carbon. The vacuum of current causes a flow into itself and around the center electrode. If we put the crystal layers in the way they will vibrate like the dickens giving us plenty of voltage. The good thing is this carbon is like an ink when you use water or maybe the stuff in ink? Like mineral oil? Linseed oil?


 The crystals you are gonna want dry but stuck together maybe ceramics?

 

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