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Offline ibpointless2

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2011, 03:54:21 PM »
Using flour and water and letting it dry does work as a glue but its very brittle. Its not better than Elmer's glue but its a lot cheaper and easier to make.

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« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2011, 04:13:30 PM »
   @ Ib2:
   Although you may be right about the surface area, I've already tried what I am suggesting, and it does work as I'm stating.
   Although I have not had a chance to try it yet on the hot dog cell, as I've been busy,  but I did try it on a 15" section of 1/2" copper tube, and found that I could
light a couple of white leds, and that the voltage was about 3 volts, and several mA. This was done some months ago, so I don't remember all the details,
but I do suggest giving it a try, so that you can see for yourself.  I used a 1/2" copper tube, and aluminum wire.
  One important factor is that the copper tube is part of my 6 foot copper framed pyramid, and so there may be a difference compared to just a regular short piece
of tube by itself, I don't know, but I'm fixing to try it out, with the hot dog cell.  I'll know more in a day or two. In any case I thought that it was worth mentioning.
I did not develop the idea any further at the time, as I'm not interested in having to add water to the electrolyte cloth that I was using before. But, now it is different
with the use of your sealed glue/salt idea.
  Yesterday I again dried my hot dog cell of any surface salty water that it had showing on it, just to find an inch wide puddle of water under it on the table this morning.
So, it may be that it is absorbing additional water from the air here, on its own.   But I'm not sure.
  I do plan on buying the Epsom and the salt substitute, when I can find them here. In the meantime I'm doing what I can with what is on hand, as usual.
  For those that can find the carbonate, please let us know what your results are, as this may just be the magic substance, after all.  Or not...
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2011, 02:42:09 AM »
The crystal cell that I keep shorted out for about 3 months was given a chance to rest for a few days on 11-10-11. The cell was at 1.463 volts at 6 micro-amps, then the cell was shorted out again. The short was removed on 11-13-11 and the cell was allowed to rest til today which is 11-15-11. The cell now reads 1.490 volts at 8 micro-amps. This was only a test to see if the cell is really recharging itself and by the looks of it it really is. But nothing last forever.[/size]

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« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2011, 02:42:09 AM »
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2011, 04:24:06 AM »
But nothing last forever.[/size]

 But I think these cells will last longer then we will. They seem to be attracting a vibrance that creates a oscolation in the cells that creates the usable current we are seeing. As you have pointed out, we can short them and they come back even stronger. There is no battery ever made that has done this. This tells me that they will last as long as all the materials they are made of last. Forever? Maybe not but I am guessing that they will last longer then our generation and that alone makes this worth it.
 
 Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #94 on: November 16, 2011, 04:35:16 AM »
@nightlife


Thank you.


I remember a comic strip that had a picture of some guys standing around a perpetual motion machine with the caption "we have a perpetual motion machine, but its going to take forever to test it".  :D


If these cells do last for a long time than its going to take forever to test them.

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« Reply #95 on: November 16, 2011, 09:24:47 PM »
I've just had a bad storm move on by here and all my cells seem to have gone up in power. I would say that the increase in power was due to more water being in the air because of the rain but the big blue cell which is sealed with 3 heavy coats of paint has gone up in power too. The only thing I can think of that would cause the increase in power would be a barometric  change. Maybe the change in pressure affected the output of the cells? Moisture in the air would have made more since but the cells that are sealed off still had a increase to. [/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2011, 10:11:23 PM »



 I think it is more due to voltage standing.


 I havce been watching my Sodium carbonate cell with aluminum and graphite. It has a very curious Ice like crystal growing. This crystal seems to melt from light of a diode. Weird.

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« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2011, 10:37:27 PM »
  If you hold a magnet in your hand, you find that it can move another magnet on the back side of your hand, right through your body.  In a similar way Aether can be absorbed by the two different metals acting like antennas of the cells, right through anything.
  Heat, cold, sunlight, magnetism, lightning, and solar flares, are all different forms originating from the same source, the Aether. 

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« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2011, 03:40:08 PM »
 Almost all correct Nick. The Aether in itself is inert. It is our momentum that drives us through the Aether. Think of it like a huge ocean. We, matter plow through it and it filters into our matter. It is the ultimate solvent. When this solvent is at rest when in comparison to the rest of the Aether it condenses into water. Water is the next phase of it's evolution it shares the same base rules. Finding those base rules is pretty easy. Look for patterns. Mass shows us the base network and it's design. Matter is just a collection or condensed Aether in that mass. When you add charges (also called Heat) it changes phase. Likewise when you take those charges it changes phase as well at certain levels. Phase change can be thought of as density levels of these charges. Most everything has these charges at some basic level. It is after all the background in localized motion. If we are, as a galaxy in motion, then there must be "552 to 630 km per second depending on the relative frame of reference." of Aether moving through or around any matter in our space at any given time.

 Also I would like to suggest that time is being recorded in the flow of all matter through the Aether. You could think of it like a hard drive but this one looses the data after awhile. Kinda like a buffer.  Think of it like it's a surface, a medium, as matter collects very minute spaces of this Aether condense as well. They get stronger. They follow Geometric planar electric fields. The planar is surface based and when in sufficient alignment can become very strong. The finer the density of these channels the more power it has. It can suck from a bigger play field with a finer density. It can change it's flow direction and compress it to a higher potential.

 I really think your Carbon crystal battery is the answer. But you need to increase the pressure and one way to do that is by the structure of oxides. Once you see how it works you will understand the process more. You need to know about wave guides as well in this example of yours. Start thinking in flows and pressures and you will start to understand what is going on in that device. Learn how to deflect it and compress it and you will have the most powerful device around. Maybe changing the diameter of the crystal wafers would change the tune of the device? Like a woodwind operates???

 I was thinking about paints and how we could make paints from the crystal and carbon. Then we could layer this woodwind in many many layers. The finer we get the particles the bigger the bang will be when they vibrate. This is because there would be many more reeds in the piping. I also think that when the oxide is acting like a diode we need to balance the outside electrode every cycle. This way the metal won't break down from excess depletion of charges. We can also tailor the reeds to specific diameters with the thickest crystal layer being directly to the can. The carbon should always be touching the can. You could think about the carbon as the return or ground of the device. Mainly a medium to transfer minute movement into compression for the crystalline layers. When the potential difference is larger for the two types of matter it will slowly leak current. This forms a network of a certain density. When it hits the crystal layer it vibrates the layers causing a lot of generation of piezoelectric potential. Given enough potential we can power devices through induction, that have designed in to it the transformer action of induction. In the meantime the high voltage potential gets transmitted very easily by carbon without appreciable loss.

 It could be with the right dopants in the carbon the type and effects of the crystal that forms will change. Synthetic Diamonds have increased electrical capabilities they are finding out. But I'm not sure if it is wise to make a full solid crystalline interior. It could be too much for base metals to contain the growth. but on the other hand being Diamond means no water at all. The crystals we are using have tons of the components of water so dividing Galvanic action is gonna be hard to do.
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« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2011, 07:30:41 AM »
   If you feel that the aluminum/carbon/quartz cell can be the answer, then why don't you build some cells as you've mentioned doing, and see if it really works as planned With the semiconductor, doping, mix, and all.  There is no more convincing idea than a working device. 
  I already know what I need to do, and am working towards that direction, in my own way, although I won't know if its the right way to go, until I get there.
  My main point of view is to mention that these cells, are working off of field energies, and not just galvanic reactions, or just advanced galvanics, as Ib likes to call it. I would have discarded them long ago.  It may be a confusing topic, for some, but not for me, although  I may be wrong about that, if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. As I'm not really partial to anything but the truth, as I see it...
   Although some people like Tesla could see or envision an idea before they make it happen for real. I don't have the best forsight, and need to experiment by trial and error, at times. Not the best approach perhaps, but it has worked for me up to now, to a degree. In any case this should all be fun to do, or else we're barking up the wrong tree. 
 
 
 

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« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2011, 02:38:56 PM »
   If you feel that the aluminum/carbon/quartz cell can be the answer, then why don't you build some cells as you've mentioned doing, and see if it really works as planned With the semiconductor, doping, mix, and all.  There is no more convincing idea than a working device. 
  I already know what I need to do, and am working towards that direction, in my own way, although I won't know if its the right way to go, until I get there.
  My main point of view is to mention that these cells, are working off of field energies, and not just galvanic reactions, or just advanced galvanics, as Ib likes to call it. I would have discarded them long ago.  It may be a confusing topic, for some, but not for me, although  I may be wrong about that, if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. As I'm not really partial to anything but the truth, as I see it...
   Although some people like Tesla could see or envision an idea before they make it happen for real. I don't have the best forsight, and need to experiment by trial and error, at times. Not the best approach perhaps, but it has worked for me up to now, to a degree. In any case this should all be fun to do, or else we're barking up the wrong tree. 
 
 
 


 Agreed. But on the comment about Tesla always building in his head thats not what I got from it. This one avenue intrigued him to no end. This is what he could not envision and that made him want to experiment for the first time. It drove him to experiment. All of his life he could build and modify devices in his head but he couldn't do that with this for some reason and he was in new territory for the first time.


 All good scientists are empirical experimenters. They learn from watching in front of there eyes. That even included Tesla.


 Oh I'm getting ready for the device. I am designing the casing (can) now. I have the carbon but have yet to get silica sand (quarts). I have decided to use the quarts because it is harder. It should make the unit tougher. We shall see. I am on the fence now with either Aluminum can or Magnesium. The latter would be more powerful but I don't think it needs the power spread. I guess thats what experimentation is for right?

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« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2011, 04:15:27 PM »
  Although I do have some of the same envisioning abilities as Tesla, as some of us do also, and I don't really know how or which way Tesla was doing it, as I only read about it, I do see some merit in doing that myself to the degree that I can.  I do agree that there may be some aspect of new ideas that we can only know by actual experiment and tests, but there are even better ways to get there, if you are able to do it, than the old trial and error approach.
   I hope that you can do some hands-on experiments now that you have most of the needed materials.  The magnesium-carbon is the best way to go, in what we see from other tests. But big aluminum capacitor cans also work, if the mg is a problem to obtain.
 I prefer the no semiconductor way of doing it, as it involves less work, and I'm not really sold on that process, yet, as it needs further proof,  as well as possible non kitchen table labs, in order to use the no water methods mentioned my JB, when refering to the Reid semiconductor cells.  But 2mA outputs are not worth the effort, as far as I'm concerned, if that is really what they put out, which even this I doubt.
  Ib2 may be able to obtain an even higher current output without the additional semiconductor work, so I'm very interested in seeing his current and future results, also.
   My idea is the dry No water way of doing it, but it may not provide the same output as the other ways.
In any case I'm not trying to run my car, or light my house on these cells, as I'm also working on other ideas as well.

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« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2011, 09:28:14 PM »
  Although I do have some of the same envisioning abilities as Tesla, as some of us do also, and I don't really know how or which way Tesla was doing it, as I only read about it, I do see some merit in doing that myself to the degree that I can.  I do agree that there may be some aspect of new ideas that we can only know by actual experiment and tests, but there are even better ways to get there, if you are able to do it, than the old trial and error approach.
   I hope that you can do some hands-on experiments now that you have most of the needed materials.  The magnesium-carbon is the best way to go, in what we see from other tests. But big aluminum capacitor cans also work, if the mg is a problem to obtain.
 I prefer the no semiconductor way of doing it, as it involves less work, and I'm not really sold on that process, yet, as it needs further proof,  as well as possible non kitchen table labs, in order to use the no water methods mentioned my JB, when refering to the Reid semiconductor cells.  But 2mA outputs are not worth the effort, as far as I'm concerned, if that is really what they put out, which even this I doubt.
  Ib2 may be able to obtain an even higher current output without the additional semiconductor work, so I'm very interested in seeing his current and future results, also.
   My idea is the dry No water way of doing it, but it may not provide the same output as the other ways.
In any case I'm not trying to run my car, or light my house on these cells, as I'm also working on other ideas as well.


 Yeah my experiments have been along the lines of how to get the oxide layer for aluminum. I have found that Oxi-Cleaner products do real well at that. It contains Sodium Percarbonate & Sodium carbonate. It does make the aluminum have a matte finish (Dull). I got a few more tests to do with that route then it is off to trying to get a big round of Aluminum. I think the more center electrode mass the better so I'm looking for some 1/2"-1" rounds of graphite as well or carbon. The quartz sand I think I'll get online. I think the finest grade(mesh size) should do for this application.


 I agree that no water would be the perfect source. The problem is if that is even possible at all.

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« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2011, 02:12:09 AM »
  Although the no water is possible, the questions is that really the best way to go.  In any case, nothing tried nothing gained.  If in doubt just wait, for something better, but if you want to have some fun now...

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 Don't get me wrong I have 8 cells running atm. All different designs. My best was to test the Oxide layer on the aluminum. It's in a thick glass jar. I treated the aluminum in a borax was first. Then I coated the wet aluminum in borax powder. Slipped the coil into the jar and added more borax Epsom's salts and Salt substitute. Nothing that I could remember about how much each. I think it was a majority of borax water with some Epsom's crystals from the milk carton. Now I know why my mixed always ran over. The Epsom's salt is loaded with this crystalline water. Highly polarized this stuff is. The salt substitute is at a pinch or two. I think it was two pinches. The borax crystals are the cement the sticky part when wet. The water is very organized already from the Epsom's salts. The salt substitute seems to be the work horse or higher density crystals. They form the network.


 The one thing is the aluminum coil hasn't been touched and the crystalline material has started to reach the inner of that outer aluminum coil. I need to take a good picture of it back lit for you. But as usual my lab is a mess.. Lil.. He said Lab... It hasn't evaporated all of the water in it. But since that water was already polarized it didn't need much to start forming crystals. I then cooked the whole jar in Boiling water. I sealed it with glue on the top but it pulled away and a rim has formed around the glue. Kinda neat breather space.


 It still only runs .61 , I can't tell you the current because I blew that feature in my high voltage days with this meter. I know the voltage part is OK, I just blew the fuse in it for the current. There is fluid in this yet no galvanic reaction that I can tell... So I am believing that this process I devised might work well as a water barrier. I'm assuming the smaller the oxide layer the better the effect to a point. Once the oxide crystals form it won't be long before they grow too fast and get too big. Heating the aluminum does help tons if you can spray the borax on. But getting an even coat is very hard. I'm sure there is a better way to do that that I don't know about.


 That's where I came up with the idea of using the Oxi-Cleaner. It seems to leave the deposit even all over the aluminum. After cooking it it should activate that layer to be used in a water situation. I'll see when I get to that part.


 I'm still working on the parts for the dry cell like you have made. Except I'm doing the oxide thing and containing it all with the end piece I'm gonna have made. The electrode for the first small unit will be the graphite 5.6 mm leads I can get here. The carbon is also great quality so we'll see what happens.

 

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