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Offline triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #465 on: February 13, 2012, 04:59:20 AM »

Casimir Force pushes 2 metal plates together.
Finally proven in 2003 to within 5% of values predicted by Casimir back in 1948.
the spacing between plates must be on the order of 2 nm or less. this restricts the larger virtual particles AKA vacumn flucuations from squeezing between the plates. the outside of the plates are still populated by virtual particles both big and small (normal space), This creates a difference in pressure that pulls the plates together.
My theory is that the "abnormal space" between the plates thins out the miniscus of the virtual particle sea by a factor proportional to how close the plates are braced. an electron is free to twist partially out of the normal space by the low density of the miniscus on either side of it. these membranes represent past and future direction and will soon be traveled just like regular space using hydrinos or any molecules that twist then get locked by forming covalent bonds while twisted.
The Casimir effect

In 1948 Hendrik B G Casimir of the Philips Research Laboratories in the Netherlands, proposed an experiment to measure what has become known as the Casimir effect.
Based on the idea that the 'vacuum' of space is actually a seething foam of quantum fluctuations of different frequencies, Casimir proposed that if two electrically conducting, but uncharged parallel plates were mounted a small distance apart in a vacuum, they would tend to be drawn together. An important point is that the plates carry no electrical charge so that any interaction between the plates must come from some other source.
(http://www.byzipp.com/casimirtoroidino2.jpg)


Only toroidinos of a certain size (wave length) can exist between the plates. The formation of toroidinos outside the plates is unrestricted, resulting in a net force that pushes the plates together. This is the Casimir effect.

Assuming that the plates are completely surrounded by quantum fluctuations, we can see from the drawing that the fluctuations between the plates will be restricted to those that will fit between the plates, whereas outside the plates they will be unrestricted. This means that there will be a greater variety and therefore more fluctuations outside the plates than between them, resulting in a net force that will tend to push the plates together.
Casimir predicted the value of this force and in 1996 Steve K Lamoreaux, then at Washington University, measured the force to within an accuracy of five per cent of Casimir's prediction for that configuration of plate separation and geometry.
Over the range measured the force is directly proportional to the area of the plates and inversely proportional to the fourth power of their separation.
As far as I know only a very limited number of experiments have been carried out over a very limited range of plate separations, so it is only possible to conclude that the force is inversely proportional to the fourth power of the plate separation for a very limited range of separations. It may be possible to show that, depending on the shape of the quantum fluctuation, the force may appear to be proportional to the inverse fourth power of the separation at one distance but proportional to some other ratio at a greater or smaller distance.

Whatever the magnitude of the Casimir effect, its very existence indicates that the 19th-century idea of the classical vacuum is fundamentally wrong.
Link to Scientific American article.
DEMONSTRATION OF THE CASIMIR FORCE IN THE 0.6 TO 6 µM RANGE. S. K. Lamoreaux in Physical Review Letters, Vol. 78, No. 1, pages 5--8; January 6, 1997.
Large scale Casimir effects
In the 8 June 1996 issue of New Scientist magazine an article entitled Physics unpicks a sailor's yarn, by Paul Guinnessy, reported on the phenomena noticed in the days of the square rigged sailing ships that, under certain sea conditions, ships lying close together would be mysteriously drawn together until there was a danger of their riggings clashing.
(http://www.byzipp.com/sailingship.jpg)
Dutch physicist, Sipko Boersma found that a rolling ship absorbs power from the waves and re-emits it as secondary waves from its hull. If the secondary waves radiated by two ships are out of phase they will cancel, reducing the wave energy between the ships. This is similar to the reduction in radiation energy between atoms or the plates used to measure the Casimir effect. The result is that the ships will be pushed together by the outside wave energy.
Only conditions of practically no wind but with waves on the sea would result in the phenomenon occurring and then the force was so small that the ships could be pulled out of danger by rowing boats.

I had first hand experience of this in 1998, while waiting for our start in the sailing regatta for the New South Wales Hood championships on Sydney Harbour. We had conditions of no wind but a lot of waves caused by everything from power boat and ferry wakes to waves made by arriving and departing float planes. Much to the mirth of the rest of the crew, I made the prediction that, because of the conditions and the Casimir effect, the waiting boats would drift together. Within minutes that's exactly what had happened and we had to continually fend off from boats that literally drifted together into clusters. A firm push was enough to separate the boats but we'd soon drift into another cluster.
So it seems that the Casimir effect applies at levels from sub-nuclear to at least the human scale. I believe that future experiments will show that the Casimir effect operates at all levels from sub-nuclear to cosmological scales.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #466 on: February 13, 2012, 05:05:14 AM »
@ triffid:
The best crystals are made under high heat and pressure.
Pressure is something we can do ourselves with a press like John B. did with Cu, Mg, and the Morton's salt substitue.
Pressure CAUSES heat so maybe if we can press the layers (like you're doing) or wind the wire tighter, or pack the putty tighter, or whatever it is I'm doing... You get the idea.
Now for the heat; Maybe get the mixture of salt sub and epsom salt hot enough to break the H2O loose and press it out? What do you think?
Also, if we were doing this on a larger level a lot of our outgassing would be just hydrogen and oxygen right?
The wax might be worth trying again if the crystal saturation is high enough. By that I mean adding the salts (and powdered aluminum maybe?) into the melted wax until the wax is as removed as I can get it... I'm still not convinced that wax can't work..
Fun stuff! ;)
PC

Offline NickZ

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #467 on: February 13, 2012, 05:05:57 AM »
   Sometimes it's hard to know what works until you try it.  But like I said, many of these tests have been done before, and its best to try something that has been shown to work, and take it from there. Or you may find that you are not getting anywhere. 
 

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #468 on: February 13, 2012, 05:12:57 AM »
@ triffid:
Long skinny post! Heh heh...
I liked it though.
Cheers!
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #469 on: February 13, 2012, 05:21:16 AM »
Here is something a little different a repulsive casimir force  silica might keep the plates open longer?   http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/01/repulsive-casimir-force-casimir.html






The scientists replaced one of the two metallic surfaces immersed in a fluid with one made of silica, the force between them switched from attractive to repulsive. So we add a form of silica to our glue cells?[/color][/font][/size][/i]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #470 on: February 13, 2012, 05:35:17 AM »
Heres some food grade silica   http://www.liquidvitaminsleader.com/targeted-nutrition/silica-micro-plant-powder.html


health store.






Maybe aspirin has silica in it?I dont know.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #471 on: February 13, 2012, 06:07:53 AM »
Was thinking of trying some Durham's Water Putty next (instead of Elmer's wood putty). Check out the website... Gonna go find out what is in it. I like that it comes in a powder form (easy to mix with salts/silica/whatever), is relatively cheap, and supposedly dries 'rock hard'. Exactly what we want when the electrolyte is dry, right? Might mix with glue all as well??
PC

http://waterputty.com/
EDIT: That silica link said that it contains an acid. Might want to look into that at some point...

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #472 on: February 13, 2012, 03:12:53 PM »
Keep up the good work guys. These cells are fun to make. I'm still working on some myself and will post more.  http://youtu.be/6jrjZqPldjw




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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #473 on: February 13, 2012, 04:40:50 PM »
I read the cell I recharged last and didn't burn up.It reads .45 volts at the highest and wants to jump around.
My aspirin cell read 1.35 volts and after sealing with the hot wax and letting the wax harden .it read 1.39 volts.
I made five more cells in the same plastic one dozen egg  carton.So in about three days I will have 6 cells to play with that are sealed with wax.




Im using a plastic egg carton this time to avoid leaching chemicals out of the cardboard that might have interfered with my cells in the first panel I made using a 30 count egg cardboard flat(carton).triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #474 on: February 13, 2012, 05:14:23 PM »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #475 on: February 14, 2012, 12:58:35 AM »
A few inches of snow has hit where I live.I did make it out to Walmart this morning.I saw a bottle of their cheap aspirin.Silicon dioxide was in the top five of their inert ingredients.Equate is their store brand but I did not use it 81 mg coated but I used a different brand altogether.
Their other aspirin did not have silicon dioxide in them.




I do not believe it I was looking at the label again and it says peel here for more information.So I peeled the label from the bottle and the only other ingredient is starch.So its starch that seems to keep the power up on these glue cells.triffid

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« Reply #476 on: February 14, 2012, 04:09:29 AM »
Starch becomes soluble in water when heated. The granules swell and burst, the semi-crystalline structure is lost and the smaller amylose molecules start leaching out of the granule, forming a network that holds water and increasing the mixture's [/size]viscosity[/font][/size]. This process is called [/size]starch gelatinization[/font][/size]. During cooking the starch becomes a paste and increases further in viscosity. During cooling or prolonged storage of the paste, the semi-crystalline structure partially recovers and the starch paste thickens, expelling water. This is mainly caused by the [/size]retrogradation[/font][/size] of the amylose. This process is responsible for the hardening of bread or [/size]staling[/font][/size], and for the water layer on top of a starch gel ([/size]syneresis[/font][/size]).[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #477 on: February 14, 2012, 04:16:01 AM »
So I am not cooking it and this says it holds water longer.Hence the longer voltage time.I did find something with silica in it.I know grass has silica in it.Just plain lawn grass is what I'm talking about.Silica moves the casimir plates apart due to something they are now calling dark energy.So dark energy could be used to make the casimir plates stay apart for longer periods of time.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #478 on: February 14, 2012, 04:21:08 AM »
Something useful to make for your rock battery.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFpzkyP6DCU&feature=relmfu
triffid




Another light circuit to power some thing other than an led.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAakZTR_4LE&feature=fvwp

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #479 on: February 14, 2012, 04:38:39 AM »
Hey all,

Picked up some Durham's tonight and tried a couple mixtures with the salt sub. The 'water putty' has a few things that I think will (hopefully) make it better than the Elmer's wood putty:
1.) It is a dry powder so it mixes easily with other dry materials
2.) The main ingredient is gypsum which is very crystalline
3.) It is supposed to dry 'rock hard'
Now from what I've been seeing on the wood putty; Expectedly if I compress the electrolyte I get a higher voltage. Conclusion: The closer the crystals are together, (or the less empty space, whatever...) the better the voltage. I'm pretty sure I could get some moderate voltage by using a press on the elmer's like John B. did with just the salt sub... Same salt sub, a slightly different medium, probably lower voltage but who knows...
The Durham's said it will expand while it dries a little bit and that it will want to absorb water if you don't seal it so when these early tests dry out as much as they are likely too I will seal them in wax (probably...). Will keep you posted on those... The couple I did should be pretty dry tomorrow (so the package claims, but they don't have potassium chloride in their mix either!). :)
I finally took a pic tonight of some of my 'tests'. Plastic bottle lids work really well for little cells!
Gonna go check out IBs latest vid.
Happy experimenting!
PC

EDIT: My smallest 'cell' yet is sitting in the bottom blue tray. Can't wait to see what it measures tomorrow...