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Offline PhiChaser

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #450 on: February 12, 2012, 04:58:44 AM »
I get a negative reading sometimes with my volt meter if Im putting the red lead on the negative electrode and the black lead on the positive electrode.If that is whats happening no need to worry all voltmeters work like that.Hope I m not confused on what the question was?triffid
red lead is positve
black lead is negative
I understand, I've done that many times. When two are connected in series (so that they are charging each other?) one tests opposite what it normally does. Try it out for yourself! Connect two similar cells to charge each other (+ to -) and look at each one. Look at each voltage first though, so we can determine which one decides the polarity of the coupling... (If that is the case?) The voltage readings should be pretty low when coupled, at least that is what I got when I measured.
So now we have a capacitor and a what... transistor(?) too?? Hmmm...
I watched some of the videos (the 3 part blurry ones with good sound) and saw the graph about polarity going the other way. Not sure if that is what was happening when I made the test. I will try some tests tomorrow, it has been a busy day. I missed out on the dollar store...
Thanks for the links triffid! Gonna go watch the one you posted on the joule theif circuit and maybe wind a toroid if I don't get too tired heh heh...

Happy experimenting everyone!

PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #451 on: February 13, 2012, 12:22:29 AM »
I have some results to report
mixed aspirin cell---.14 volts
layered aspirin cell---1.34 volts
oldest aspirin cell now .41 volts down from.55 was .6 tops

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #452 on: February 13, 2012, 12:34:09 AM »
My mixed cells have never worked for me.So Im not surprised about the .14 volt result its been 36 hours since the cell was made.The layered one is the same age.


I have some really bad news all of my tin can lid/mg cells have dropped in voltage.The oldest ones have dropped from .9 and .8 volt down to .25 volts.The newer ones in the panel 2 and panel 3 are worse off than that.I did seal one copperwire and magnesium strip cell in a plastic container over a month ago.I[size=78%] took it out today and its still reading a volt.Its twin I left out all this time is down to .25 volts.So maybe the changing weather is killing my cells?Maybe sealing every cell with wax or molten sulfur is the way to go?triffid[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #453 on: February 13, 2012, 12:42:35 AM »
According to the three part lecture when voltages die its because the casimir plates are touching.Maybe heating them up will bring the voltages back up?By moving the plates apart again?triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #454 on: February 13, 2012, 12:45:26 AM »
I have some wax.I will seal my one good cell tomorrow.I need it to dry out for 48 hours.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #455 on: February 13, 2012, 12:52:12 AM »
   triffid:
   If you build things using junk, junk it what you get.  Use quality material if you want to get anywhere.  You don't have to recreate the wheel, this has all been done before. Following the advice of what works, will save you some time. 
As mentioned before your leds will all get dim.  This is not as easy as it seams. Impedance is not an easy thing to solve. You can't just connect a bunch of cell together and get what you think you're going to get.  You'll see what I mean in time.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #456 on: February 13, 2012, 12:54:15 AM »
Right now outside the temp have been below freezing the last week.Inside temps above freezing.I will hang on to these cells a while longer.No tossing out or tearing them up.Not yet!triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #457 on: February 13, 2012, 01:07:51 AM »
I'll take my chances with junk for now.If wax or molten sulfur works in sealing a battery and making it last I have not lost too much time.The oldest tin can lid/mg cells are about 3 weeks old.You know the sheet metal for tin cans has to pass somebodys standards(US government) to be used in the making of cans for our food.I know their regulations are loose sometimes.I can get sulfur from walmart drug dept,I already have wax.I really want to make panels with these cells so I'm learning what doesn't work?triffid

Offline PhiChaser

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #458 on: February 13, 2012, 01:10:55 AM »
Latest testing...
Wax doesn't work as an electrolyte, at least the mixture I used today didn't give me any readings at all. It might need to be 'charged' while it is melting and forming into whatever it is going to form into... Dunno, it took a while and gave me zeros so: Next! (Keep the tea candle containers in mind though, they are cheap at the dollar store and if we end up covering our cells in wax, that is a good way to go!) For the direction I'm going anyways...
Coating things with wax seems like a winner to me since wax is a natural thing (always a plus!) and candles are easy to come by fairly cheaply. I tried an IB recipe cell today only I used a tea candle 'cup' since they are aluminum; my mixture started 3/4 full of the sub salt, 1/4 epsom salt. I added epsom salt as it cooked down to keep it full... Wow do those epsom salts hold a lot of water! I kept wicking it off with a paper towel... I used my pultruded carbon in the center, it looks like a burnt tea candle... I had to use some wax to hold the carbon in though... Gonna have to find a way to anchor it into the electrolytes better (it is pretty smooth)... Also did a couple batteries with impregnated paper towels, my pultruded carbon tubing and aluminum wire. So far it looks like they want to give me around 0.54v but long term tests are needed naturally. They look like little paper towel rolls with wire wrapped around them but there is over 1/16" thick worth of electrolyte paper towel on the  carbon tube (which is only 1/8" OD and 1/16" thick!). I wrapped them 'dry' with the wire them added water to swell them up... They seem dry buy we will see in a week or two... (Gonna have to upload some pics...)
@ triffid: Anything less than a half volt seems like it wouldn't be worth persuing unless it has a measureable current. Those partial voltages add up though, so don't discount them yet! Bummer your cells dropped so much overnight. Mayber your VOM is low on batteries?
I never did get around to getting that aspirin...
Time to start dinner, cya guys,
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #459 on: February 13, 2012, 01:51:33 AM »
I heated up one tin can lid/mg cell and got my voltage back!!!I put it on the hot plate and turned it on med for a couple of minutes.I left it on long enough to burn my fingers!So its back up to .95 volts,up from .25 volts.Its cool enough to touch.And easily reads .87 volts.So that problem solved.I can recharge my casimir plates with heat.Just a minute or two on the hotplate brought it back!triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #460 on: February 13, 2012, 01:58:43 AM »
Reading .8 volts a few minutes later.I had it up to over a volt when it was hotter.Will report on it tomorrow also.triffid




Good work PC,lots of action is good.I gonna build a joule thief at some point.
Since diodes eat up .7 volts and these cells act as diodes maybe???The diode action can be stopped somehow?

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #461 on: February 13, 2012, 02:32:48 AM »
I heated up another tin can lid/mg cell and got .75 volts back.Thinking that I could do better I heated up the same cell again (it had been reading.9 volts before it dropped).It appears I burned the cell too much.I get nothing now.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #462 on: February 13, 2012, 02:51:25 AM »
@ triffid:
Nice! I've noticed that heat brings the voltage up too. I'd imagine in a low-humidity environment a lot of these cells would perform more consistantly. If it was a hot desert they would probably work even better? Do you know if anyone has tried silica (or even regular) sand in their electrolyte mix?
Happy experimenting,
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #463 on: February 13, 2012, 02:54:33 AM »
Those two cells I could put on a hotplate the others are in cardboard boxes or on cardboard.Heat drives off water and puts space back between the casimir plates recharging them to run a while longer.Maybe these glue cells work for a little while until the casimir plates come in contact with each other.Then the voltages drop to zero finally.Being in a hot car in the summertime could keep them humming?Just thinking out loud here.It seems like to me that as heat increases these cells become more efficient then the plates are vibrating farther and further apart.Maybe its not electricity that should be pumped into these cells but heat?Maybe the cells should be made in a hotter environment like an oven?Maybe why johns stove top cells work better and longer than glue cells?Glue cells would work better in a hot car in the summertime I bet.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #464 on: February 13, 2012, 03:01:06 AM »
PC,NickZ has used sand in his cells.I heard today that silica has magnetic properties.I don't know what they are.Now that I know whats wrong with my cells now maybe I can redesign them?too bad I burned up the cell,it even turned brown on me.triffid