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Author Topic: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells  (Read 677037 times)

Offline PhiChaser

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #435 on: February 11, 2012, 02:28:38 AM »
Picked up some supplies today at the dollar store and made some 'wood putty' batteries.
Each 'battery' has 4 'cells' so technically each battery is really four batteries... I used weekly pill containers; Each 'day' has four compartments for pills so you get 28 little plastic compartments for a dollar... I cut the edges of an aluminum cup that a tea candle sits in for little strips of Al for one of the conductors. I used little pieces of the pultruded carbon tube for the other one. Pics coming eventually...
I made three mixes with salt sub of different ratios, three of epsom salt of different ratios, one of crushed epsom salt (I swear you can crush a tablespoon into a quarter teaspoon!). That mixture turned out nice and creamy though... ;) Since I was almost out of putty (I knew I should have bought the 32oz size!!) I put together one that was equal parts crushed epsom salt and salt sub both.
Each 'cell' holds about one teaspoon of electrolyte...
Just putting some stuff together... I will be trying to impregnate paper towels sometime this weekend...
Will have to try aspirin as an additive... :)
Oh, almost forgot!!! Got the scoop on the Elmer's wood putty I'm using, check it out:

                                                                     % by weight
        546-93-0 Magnesium Carbonate (MgCO3)         5-10
       1317-65-3 *Limestone                                     50-70
       1318-59-8 Chlorite (Mineral Class)                     1-5
      13397-26-7 *Calcite (Ca(CO3))                           1-5
      14808-60-7 *Quartz (SiO2)                              0.1-0.99

Hmmmm.... (EDIT: So it is somewhere between 10-30% water maybe?)
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #436 on: February 11, 2012, 08:13:48 AM »
Very generic aspirin its put out by A&S Pharmaceutical Corp,480 Barnum ave.,Bridgeport,Ct 06608  1-866-368-2539


I either bought it at family dollar or walmart for only a dollar per bottle.


I took the evening off from the cells,My LED is not lit.


If the cells have too high a resistance to being added in series,Maybe a capacitor and diode network could be made Where each individual cell
is hooked to a capacitor and a blocking diode so that when the capacitor is discharged it goes to recharge a regular battery and not back into the glue power cell.  triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #437 on: February 11, 2012, 03:45:45 PM »
Add about ten more hours to the aspirin cell its running at.55 volts.down from a max of .6 volts.I used aluminum pie plate(small) and a red shield brand new (2011) penny(my copper plated zinc disks are brand new pennies).So just call it copper and aluminum that I used.If the aspirin can do its magic for magnesium and copper cells that would be fantasic.triffid




remember I put the whole aspirin in the cell without stirring.Used a pair of pliers to crush it.































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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #438 on: February 11, 2012, 04:18:07 PM »
... the cells have too high a resistance to being added in series,Maybe a capacitor and diode network could be made Where each individual cell
is hooked to a capacitor and a blocking diode so that when the capacitor is discharged it goes to recharge a regular battery and not back into the glue power cell.  triffid

@triffid: The drawback to diodes is they eat 0.7v (yeah, that is a scientific term... ;) ) from your line voltage so maybe a transistor or MOS network of some kind that dump into the capacitors?? I still have yet to make a joule theif circuit (sigh...)...
Funny thing happened yesterday, although I'm sure there is an explanation for it: I looped two cells together and took a measurement. Voltage was way down (I'm guessing current up?), not totally unexpected. I will get back to looking at that, the amps part of my VOM is dead so no way to verify amperage at this time...
These battery 'caps' (not capacitors heh...) start around 0.8 volts and discharge semi-quickly to about half a volt. When I tested them hooked together closed series they were reading something like 0.15v. Both of them seemed to be giving this same voltage reading only when I hooked my meter clips to one battery it read positive 0.15v and the other one, hooked up the SAME WAY (black lead to aluminum, red lead to carbon) gave me NEGATIVE -0.15v.  :o
When I connect the red lead to the aluminum it ALWAYS gives me a negative reading and using the black lead on aluminum always gives positive reading as well. How come it gives a negative reading with the leads reversed with the cells in closed series? Can I get some verification on this? Easy test guys, let me know if you get the same results or why I'm getting these results...
Who can explain this so it makes sense?
My hypothesis is the VOM is getting it's polarity confused; It IS a cheap Greenley DM-20, so I'm leaning that way; OR  there is voltage (current) moving in BOTH directions (AC?!?)... This has implications. Anybody wanna explain?
I will upload some pics over the weekend.
Happy experimenting!
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #439 on: February 11, 2012, 05:52:35 PM »
PCI ,sometimes these cells reverse polarity although I have not seen that myself.I searched and found some lecture videos on what is happening here.The vidieos were fuzzy but the audio is crystal clear.I will try to repost them here for you.In the next post I do.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #440 on: February 11, 2012, 06:04:25 PM »

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Even though fuzzy the audio is clear the hopes and dreams plus a good explanation of the casimir effect.Also locates the free energy part of the spectrum on the electromagnetic spectrum.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y  part1/3   triffid




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OQA01sqZ_M&feature=related  part 2/3




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2VeISnMHY8&feature=related  part3/3




Each part is about 15 minutes long and one of them explains why and how these batteries can reverse their voltage and act so crazy in general.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #441 on: February 11, 2012, 06:07:50 PM »
Pc,the very first one I believe has the explanation why the voltages can be so crazy.I made two more aspirin cells with mg and copper.One I stirred,the other I did not stir.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #442 on: February 11, 2012, 06:39:58 PM »
@ triffid:
Thanks for the links! I will take a look when I have time later today.
If I remember I will try to stop by the dollar store later for some aspirin too. :)
I think it would benefit my grinding/mixing process to find a smooth mortar/pestle set. Also a small scale so that the measurements are more exact. It would be easier to measure/grind a few dry mixes and keep them in containers to use as needed rather than make a mess every time I have a spare bottle cap to play with.
As always, it probably won't be anytime soon.
Trying to make some electrolytic paper too; One paper towel wet, covered one side with epsom salt, flipped over and did the other side with salt sub, let dry overnight. Epsom sure did stick to the cardboard it was sitting on!! Today it was still moist so I put another paper towel on each side and then caged them in a piece of aluminum screen so I could wet all of them without tearing them to pieces. So, got it all wet, pressed it out, took it out of the screen and it still needs to dry a bit more... A spray bottle would have worked better for the second process for sure. Not sure how well it is going to work, will report later when it dries. Also I may shoot some of the 'paper' with vinegar to see what results...
Gotta go, cheers!
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #443 on: February 11, 2012, 09:44:36 PM »
Here is something similar to what we are trying to do.One of them has been running since 1840.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamboni_pile
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #444 on: February 11, 2012, 09:51:17 PM »
Molten sulfur was used to encase the piles on the oxford electric bell.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell

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Probably the most interesting part of the bell is the pair of dry piles. Nobody is certain what they are composed of, but it is known that they have been coated with molten [/size]sulphur[/font][/size] to prevent effects from [/size]atmospheric[/font][/size] moisture and it is thought that they may be [/size]Zamboni piles[/font][/size].[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #445 on: February 12, 2012, 03:20:37 AM »
11 hours later and my new aspirin cells are 1.34 volts for the mixed cell and 1.38 volts for the layered cell.The older aspirin cell is still at .55 volts.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #446 on: February 12, 2012, 03:26:30 AM »
PC ,something you may not have known is that a lot of metal screen has a thin plastic coating on it to protect it against rusting.To get rid of it you can put a lit match to it to see if it burns.If you have a thin plastic coating on your screen it will not be conductive until you burn it off.Good old rusty screen worked ok for me back in the 1990's as electrodes in my copper oxide solar cell experiments.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #447 on: February 12, 2012, 03:40:10 AM »
I get a negative reading sometimes with my volt meter if Im putting the red lead on the negative electrode and the black lead on the positive electrode.If that is whats happening no need to worry all voltmeters work like that.Hope I m not confused on what the question was?triffid




red lead is positve
black lead is negative

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #448 on: February 12, 2012, 03:54:37 AM »
Good news I guess these cells act as diodes by themselves.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d04syANlP10&feature=related
according to this guy.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #449 on: February 12, 2012, 04:01:42 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOwf6KnkhY&feature=related  joule thief design and explanation of how it works.triffid