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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #360 on: January 31, 2012, 05:49:53 PM »
Thanks everyone for your input.I do appreciate it. I stumble around a lot when it comes to doing things.What I noticed on my panel sunday was the cardboard was wet so maybe the cells are not electrically isolated until it dries more?If epson salts is the key factor here Im sure it has a brother or sister crystal material that could be tried?I will study your comments more.I do better sometimes taking a break from a task.I see these things now like fuzzy balls of energy(separation of charge,more of a static charge type thing).I can let my panel dry a little more and try to study other peoples video clips for now.triffid
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« Reply #361 on: January 31, 2012, 08:41:01 PM »
Once again my tin can lid cells/mg are still working with .9 and .8 volts.My beef with them is I have to eat a lot of canned pineapple to get the tin can lids to work with.These are the cells I do not have to stir.
The suggestion to cut out the good cells is a good one.I think I have three good cells at least.If I need ten to light an led then then i might not be able to do it without making another panel.
 Epsom salts seems to be the best water though. This is because it is crystalline water(very organized with minimum oxygen) <--- This is key. Yes other crystals have differing amounts of water in them and yes they vary on the crystallization(organization) of the water but all crystals use water to some degree. It is how crystals refract light and it is how they desiccate things (salts). Salts are merely water crystals that the water has dried up from. All crystals are formed in water. What happens to them afterwards and what their components are dictates their properties. Water is also a very good medium to store [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]natural energy[/color]. This energy was termed Radiant energy for lack of a better word and only describes the action of the energy, not it's true name.
I'm trying to see what else could take the place of epson salts.There are two isomers of epson salts(magnesium sulfate).
I need to spend time on studying that.Thanks to all for your comments.triffid

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« Reply #362 on: January 31, 2012, 08:57:29 PM »
Magnesium chloride, oxide, gluconate, malate, orotate and citrate are all used as oral magnesium supplements. Oral magnesium supplements have been claimed to be therapeutic for some individuals who suffer from Restless Leg Syndrome (RLS).[citation needed][/li]
[li]Magnesium borate, magnesium salicylate, and magnesium sulfate are all used as antiseptics.[/li]
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The above compounds are food grade.I thought it important for now to stay with food grade chemicals since we are buying everything food grade except for the different metals used for electrodes.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #363 on: February 01, 2012, 03:30:14 AM »
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« Reply #364 on: February 01, 2012, 05:37:43 PM »
Sorry guys I found out today that I was not using my voltmeter properly.OL means over the limit.I was using only a 2 volt setting.OL meant I had to switch to a higher range like 20 volts.Once I switched to 20 volts I got 2.68 volts one time.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #365 on: February 01, 2012, 05:47:34 PM »
I played with my panel today.I measured the voltage of each cell separately and wrote down the numbers.I found 15 of my 30 cells were producing at least 1.3 volts or higher(1.37 was the highest).Three cells were producing only .2 volts,the rest ranged between.61 to 1.26 volts.


i did most of my measurements before I figured out what OL was.I tired me out and my cells were tired out too.I did four different readings on four cells hooked up in series.Each time I disconnected and reconnected the alligator clips.I got,1.44,1.44,.84,.82 volts.I can fix my bad cells I think.I did not do any Leds today.Tomorrow is another day.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #366 on: February 02, 2012, 04:26:59 PM »
Greetings all!! Awesome thread, looking forward to contributing (eventually).
Great videos Ib!! Hopefully I will be embarking on my own 'salt' battery experiments soon.
I have done a bit of research and believe that the reason the salt substitute is working as an electrolyte is the nature of the potassium chloride molecule. Talk about crystalline structure!! (see pic)
I think the epsom salt (epsomite) lines up better in water and works the same way.
Sodium carbonate (baking soda): In chemistry, it is often used as an electrolyte. This is because electrolytes are usually salt-based, and sodium carbonate acts as a very good conductor in the process of electrolysis.
Borax: Borax, also known as sodium borate, sodium tetraborate, or disodium tetraborate, is an important boron compound, a mineral, and a salt of boric acid. It is usually a white powder consisting of soft colorless crystals that dissolve easily in water. I've read the Borax has worked well in some recipes?
ALL of these dissolve in water. ALL of these form crystals when the water is removed. Pretty sure they all attract water too (because they are salts!)...
Dissimilar metals and salt crystals for electrolyte (capacitance AND inductance?). Seems like a LOT of fun to me!!
IB, is there a way you can take one of your pressure tube cells and roll it up like a snail shell (or a tightening spiral maybe)? Not sure that would do anything but it might increase the pressure on the inside a bit (voltage/current up?). I'm thinking snail shells and nautilus shells are shaped that way for a reason right? Just an idea that literally popped into my head just now.
I've made some drawings and hope to start building soon. Keep up the great work guys!!!
Happy experimenting and stay safe!
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« Reply #367 on: February 02, 2012, 06:04:07 PM »
I got my panel out again.Checked the voltage of each and every cell like I did yesterday.The cells I hooked up in series yesterday had lower voltages today.I did  connect two good cells that were side by side and managed to light up half a dozen of the assorted leds I got from radio shack.All of them dimly but I could tell that they were working.I tested each led one at a time.I have one hooked up now and will let it run for a while in the living room in the dark so I can look at it all day.I was able to add up the voltages from two cells ok ,but adding ten together does not work very well.The two cells added up to 2.56 volts since each one was 1.3 that made sense.But hook up 10 and I got 1.77 and 1.55 volts.
I did start working on another panel.This one is with the tin can lids I seem to do well with.I had seven lids,using tin ships I cut each lid into fourths so I have 28 pieces of metal to make a cell with.I glued these fish scales which is what they look like into the bottom of a little ceasars pizza box(the cleanest one out of four emptys I had on hand) .They give me lower voltages but I do not have to stir them.Plus they appear to be very stable in the long run. So 28 times.8 volts =22.4 volts.I hope to have it finished and drying by friday.
I hooked up the two cells to a speaker and heard static for the first time rubbing the contacts on each other.It was like hearing static from a crystal radio.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #368 on: February 02, 2012, 06:16:09 PM »
Problems I see is high resistance in the  cells and if you touch one too much it breaks some of the connections in the crystal structure resulting in lower voltages.
Solutions might be add something else to the glue when you start to make these cells.Maybe a drop of vinegar?Maybe a pinch of boric acid?maybe a pinch of citric acid or crushed asprin?
The brand of salt sub does seem to matter.Morton brand has fumaric acid in it(maybe less than one percent(my guess)).Nu-salt brand did not have that acid in it at all.So maybe adding a another dry acid  to the glue could reduce resistance?Like boric acid?
Please remember my cells did not work at all until I started using mortons brand of salt sub.



As far as handling the cells be gentle and do as little as possible.




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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #369 on: February 02, 2012, 11:27:24 PM »
after about four hours of letting the led burn.I took it off and measured 2.25 volts between the two cells I have hooked up in series.I then reattached the led and got it burning again.Dim but on.I plan to let it run all night long.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #370 on: February 03, 2012, 06:33:06 AM »
hi
i am new to this site but i remember you work a lot with capacitors, i have question? i am work on a radiant receiver i have got a steady 12vdc at 8ua this allows me to charge a 3300uf cap which will flash a light, i tried capacitors in series but it seems only to use one. don't know why. do you know of any caps that would work better
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« Reply #371 on: February 03, 2012, 08:55:22 PM »
I let my led burn through the night.Its still on, running off of two cells in series.The led is dimly lit.But its working. Thats what matters.To the guy with the question about capacitors a little bit of math will make your life go a lot easiler.Look up capacitiors on the internet.Try to find some formulas.A little bit of review never hurt anyone.triffid

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« Reply #372 on: February 03, 2012, 09:02:09 PM »
Heres a link to some formulas for series and parallel hookups.  http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/series-and-parallel-capacitors.html
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #373 on: February 04, 2012, 03:55:34 AM »
Today I put together my second panel of crystal power cells.Its now drying.I used tin can lids and magnesium metal strips.On my other panel I hooked up 5 cells and got over 3 volts which then settled down to 2.95 volts.As of this time the led is still glowing almost 9 pm now.I had it hooked up yesterday,disconnected it twice today.Hooked it up again.Still glowing dimly.triffid

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« Reply #374 on: February 06, 2012, 03:55:29 PM »
Yet, another way to make crystal cells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBgjdJMN7g
 
@ibpointless2:
I followed as close as I could the method shown in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M_eDLyfzp8
I added your crystal recipe to the mix prior to heating on the hot plate.  Once the mix was ready (caution – do not undercook – use low heat) I packed it into ½” PVC pipe and inserted the electrodes.  I also made some thick sheets with the leftover mix and after 2 days curing, placed the sheet between copper and magnesium and this works pretty good as well.
 
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