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Offline triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #330 on: January 26, 2012, 06:23:24 PM »
I think using tape to connect these cells is not the way to go.I think a conductive glue would have been better.The electrodes are close enough to connect with a glob of glue.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #331 on: January 26, 2012, 06:42:16 PM »
Last night I made my driest cell yet. I took a drinking straw and crimped one end and poured some salt substitute into it and inserted copper and magnesium electrodes in. No water was added. At first I was getting barely 30mV but when I squeezed the cell with my hand i saw a jump up to 300mV. So I figured pressure was key here so I grabbed my c-clamp and started to crush the cell and had it reach 900mV! I noticed the meter was acting like a load and was draining the cell so at 314mV i disconnected the cell from the meter and let it rest. When I reconnected the cell it has climbed back up to 600mV. So I then I let it rest some more and I was getting 950mV. Thinking this was a fluke i let it rest over night and i woke to find it was at 850mv, So it did go down a little but not much. So from what I learn from this I got some small copper tubing and crimped one end and pour some salt substitute into it and inserted the magnesium strip into it. I started crushing the copper tubing so that it can hold the pressure for me instead of using a c-clamp. Now the cell is reading 1.351v. The bad news is that I'm getting no amps. I do think this is some type of piezoelectric effect but usually piezoelectric never keeps giving you a constant voltage over time. piezoelectric usually gives a spike of voltage and that's it and not this constant voltage i'm getting.[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #332 on: January 26, 2012, 11:10:05 PM »
I was thinking for a while that these crystals could be some fancy form of thermocouple.Thermocouples only give off millivolts.And we are talking about millivolts,not volts.On my cells connected together.I put five together.I could only get about 1.8 volts.My panel may need three or more weeks of work on it.There certainly is a lot to be learned from these cells.I thought too that maybe elmers glue-all mixed with the salt sub[size=78%]could be conductive?A panel is only as good as its weakest cell allows it.I liked your work with the soda straw casing.Crushing the copper tubing was a good idea too.triffid[/size]

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« Reply #332 on: January 26, 2012, 11:10:05 PM »
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #333 on: January 26, 2012, 11:40:46 PM »
Mostly this topic is not related to the thread but he does show how he builds salt water capacitors.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opu7AHlLaRI&feature=relmfu  Some thing I know we might all want to do sooner or later.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #334 on: January 27, 2012, 11:27:46 PM »
I m waiting another day for my panel to dry.I took a crystal battery down today to McDonalds  to show a friend of mine that its working.Theres a group of senior citizens that meet for breakfast there and coffee.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #335 on: January 28, 2012, 02:20:37 AM »

 Hello Triffid and IB...


 Yeah triffid these are very novel batteries.


 @IB  Thats very interesting. You might think of them this way. Think of them as strings pulled tightly. When you compress them it pulls the string tighter raising the pitch of the sound the string makes. As you compress the crystals it makes them more sensitive to the surrounding natural energy vibrations. It allows the natural electric vibrations to be amplified by the piezoelectric nature of the crystals. This energy that you see coming out of these batteries are simply the static portion of energy. Thats why there is no current per say. And nick is right since this voltage has little in the way of current it allows you to run the diodes well beyond their natural capabilities as plengo has been finding out.


 Now what can we do with this then? Well as long as you have voltage we can complete a path and through induction can transform it down and increase the current. This is what is being done with the oscillators. This energy can even charge caps and discharged into a coil to give even more punch through a step down transformer.


 I think there is a limit to the additive nature of the cells. What I mean is like diodes they have a reverse breakdown value. When this reverse breakdown value is reached they go into electrolysis mode and that destroys the battery... The problem is how do we figure that value out? Someone out there has made a huge stack of these and it seems they hold up well.. Let me see if I can get the video of it.


here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGdpa3GKN34&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF04D0E8898016703

Now lets think of this from a different perspective. When I was playing with my batteries I switched the meter to ac and to my chagrin I saw a much higher voltage then what was seen as DC. I know that will happen even with regular batteries but this was different. When I put a fullwave bridge rectifier on it I got the same voltage out as if the rectifier wasn't there. Now think of what an led is... Diode? Aha!!!! You got it. You would think that the rectifier would drop the voltage real low but yet I got the same numbers when reading the dc after the rectifier. Maybe the diodes are doing the same thing. They are being powered by AC and not dc. I have not scoped the batteries yet but I am thinking I will find an ac voltage there but I have to remake my set. I used the bad salt substitute and they ran dry. They still have some voltage but not like they were when I first made them...


 I also see plengo is using carbon now and that is wonderful. I think he will see some longevity with those batteries now but we will see. My test with aluminum and carbon came out real bad. The aluminum was eaten apart by the water I used to cement the carbon with graphite lead with. The oxidation layer I tried to leave on the aluminum wasn't thick enough and it ate clear trough the cap can I used. Plengo has gone the route of copper, carbon, alum, sodium something and magnesium, He is getting very good results and likewise increased led output from only 3 cells. But if he is using water I fear he is going to be discouraged when he finds corrosion from the water, even with the oxidation on the magnesium. I think carbon eats the oxidation layer but I haven't tested that out yet.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #336 on: January 28, 2012, 04:37:22 AM »
   It is possible that when using carbon and magnesium, or aluminum that even in a dry cell there may be some corrosion in the metals, if air is present, but that is where a protective layer of oxides on the metals would help, also,  sealing the cell. 
  I think that the main thing is finding the way to totally avoid water, instead of relying on it.  But, what can you do with just voltage, I can't light an led on 7.5 volts, alone without some current. Maybe it takes a higher voltage yet.
   I think that the idea that if a cells voltage gets to be above a voltage that is the cells  electronegative values, galvanics will take over.  But, below that value there is another process going on.  So, how to utilize and improve on that is the trick,  maybe that doesn't have to end at the microamps levels.
   The idea of using tourmaline in the cell mix sound interesting.  I still go for the quartz/carbon combo. 
  Plengo has been having some luck with the activated aquarium carbon.  I'll have to give that a try sometime...  the B.B.Q. charcoal here is no good for cell use.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #337 on: January 28, 2012, 08:27:41 AM »
Lets look at it like the solar panels.Whats the maximum number of solar cells that you can in a solar panel?Can I put one 1000 cells in series?Or is there a limit?If I have only voltage what can I do with it?A while back I said that I guessed these devices may be less than one percent
efficient.Let me run with that just a little.If I am correct.I found someone on the net who said he got 2.55 volts and 1/10 amp out of one crystal cell.So 2.55 volts x100=255.0 volts,then 100x1/10=10.At close to 100 percent efficiency then we should get 255 volts x10 amps =2550 watts of power could be possible per cell.If only we knew how to get it.We have known about the photoelectric effect since 1905 I believe but it was only in the 1950's that the solar cell was first marketed to the public with about 4 percent efficiency.Today you are lucky to buy solar cells that are 10 percent efficient.I did buy one at 20 percent.It was neat to see it charging at even low light levels.triffid

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« Reply #338 on: January 28, 2012, 08:35:37 AM »
Not too long ago like last month it was announced that 40 percent efficient solar cells had been developed.If cost effective each state could generate enough power for its own use just by setting aside enough land to build photovoltaic power generating  plants.

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« Reply #339 on: January 28, 2012, 08:40:36 AM »
Yes I believe that what we make at home right now are less than one percent efficient.Never the less we are showing that here is a power source waiting to be tapped and developed.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #340 on: January 28, 2012, 05:20:17 PM »
My panel of 30 cells were dry enough for me to work with.This time I checked each cell to see if it was working properly(by working could it produce over a volt?).I marked the cells that did not.I only had eight good cells out of thirty.A couple of the good ones popped up to 1.3 volts.
I went ahead and added more morton salt sub,epson salts,more salt sub,Then without mixing it at all I added another glob of glue on top.I did this to all the bad cells.Now I have to wait another 48 hours to let it dry.Then I will see if I was able to fix the bad cells at all.Since the electrodes were already stuck in the first batch of dried glue in the bad cells I decided no more mixing was required.Since I had good results with not mixing,just layering.I decide to layer all the bad cells(22 of them).triffid




I may be wrong in my calculations but my point really was don't expect to make too much power out of these for a few years(like 50 more?).

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #341 on: January 29, 2012, 02:48:38 AM »
An article on making cheap capacitors.   http://www.ehow.com/how_8489657_make-cheap-capacitor.html  triffid

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« Reply #342 on: January 29, 2012, 02:58:46 AM »
More on capacitors   http://www.eham.net/articles/5217 air variable capacitor that is.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #343 on: January 29, 2012, 03:12:49 PM »
This epsiode of FRINGE mentions rock batteries powerful enough to rip a hole in the universe.   http://www.hulu.com/watch/321420/fringe-enemy-of-my-enemy  Its mentioned in the last half of the show. so now they are in the popular culture mainstream?  triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2012, 05:18:48 PM »
I looked at my panel today.I used alligator clips without wires to make connections.I need to let the whole thing dry another week it seems.
I did manage to connect three dry cells in series to hook up the voltmeter to and try to light up some leds.I managed to get about 1.9 volts only to see it drop down 1.5 volts.None of the leds would light up.If I connected three(7 altogether) more cells in series then I got less than a volt.So dry,dry,dry some more I guess.NickZ you are right I get some voltage but no amps.At this point I'm about ready to put it on the back burner for a while.If I can't add voltages then I have nothing here.I have to figure out why those seven cells in series gave me less than a volt.Dry baby dry.triffid

 

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