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Author Topic: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells  (Read 630204 times)

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #270 on: January 15, 2012, 12:50:10 PM »
It seems to me that copper plated metals work nearly as well as copper objects.There was a little talk on using silver plated metal.Of course the metal underneath might have some influence on crystal formation?I have a copper plated zinc disk on my one successful cell.I used it because there was no corrosion on it.I think magnesium plated metals would work ok too.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #271 on: January 15, 2012, 02:51:48 PM »
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Never use table salt, it will never make a good cell.

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« Reply #272 on: January 16, 2012, 01:04:51 AM »
I ventured out today and got two containers of Mortons Salt Sub.So I made three more glue cells.All three have aluminum wire and copper wire.One is a control cell with just glue and mortons salt sub.The other two contain epsons salts also.Control voltage was .48 wet
the other two cells were .52 and .50 wet.So now I wait to if there is a difference.triffid

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« Reply #272 on: January 16, 2012, 01:04:51 AM »
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« Reply #273 on: January 16, 2012, 01:38:04 AM »
I ventured out today and got two containers of Mortons Salt Sub.So I made three more glue cells.All three have aluminum wire and copper wire.One is a control cell with just glue and mortons salt sub.The other two contain epsons salts also.Control voltage was .48 wet
the other two cells were .52 and .50 wet.So now I wait to if there is a difference.triffid


I too ventured out to find some different salt substitutes to see if they will work or not. So far I can say some work better than others but I won't know until the cells fully dry out.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #274 on: January 16, 2012, 06:11:21 PM »
At 22 hours since being made with morton salt sub.The two new cells I made are .45 and .38 volts.The control cell with just glue and morton salt sub is .37 volts. I went out today and bought some sodium silicate from O'Reilly auto parts store.The brand name is "Seal-Up" and it has metal specks in it looks like copper?Liquid glass metallic it says on the bottle.Its a radiater and engine block sealer.I am intent on using the clear liquid part of it  in the beginning.It cost me $5.19.It does not say what metal is in there.triffid

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« Reply #275 on: January 16, 2012, 06:19:07 PM »
I called the company phone number on the bottle and asked the man who answered the phone what kind of metal is in that bottle of Seal-Up?I was told its pure copper.Pure copper distributes the heat better he said. triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #276 on: January 16, 2012, 10:11:00 PM »
At 22 hours since being made with morton salt sub.The two new cells I made are .45 and .38 volts.The control cell with just glue and morton salt sub is .37 volts. I went out today and bought some sodium silicate from O'Reilly auto parts store.The brand name is "Seal-Up" and it has metal specks in it looks like copper?Liquid glass metallic it says on the bottle.Its a radiater and engine block sealer.I am intent on using the clear liquid part of it  in the beginning.It cost me $5.19.It does not say what metal is in there.triffid


Its good to hear the two cells are still alive. I find that as the cell drys the amps will go down but the voltage will go up a little. The control cell should die out within a week to around 100mV or so. I don't know if I ask this but are you using Elmer's Glue-all? Back when I first made these cells someone made my cells using the dollar store school glue and it never worked very well. I have the exact same block sealer with from the same store with the same copper bits in it. I never got the block sealer to do anything but you may have some luck. There was a way to super charge these crystal glue cell with either shampoo or 20 mule team borax, but it came at a price and would really damage the cells. Something in the detergents really did not like the metals and would prematurely kill the cells but I got the best amps reading this way.

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« Reply #277 on: January 16, 2012, 10:32:08 PM »
At 27 hours after they were made the higher voltages are still holding at .45 and .38 volts.The control has dropped to .180 volts already.Like you said when a week has gone by.I should know for sure.I was the one who used elmers school glue.I am still waiting for magnesium metal strips to come my way.You used copper and magnesium on your control in your video I believe.So I expect my control to drop even further since I used copper and aluminum.If the salt sub was my problem then maybe the school glue was not?If Ican get over a volt for each cell with the copper and magnesium then I will start building panels of these cells to keep a 12 volt car battery topped off.Then to get some leds going for light.triffid




To answer your question I did use elmers glue all.

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« Reply #278 on: January 16, 2012, 10:39:57 PM »
Once I get a panel of about 14 volts going I want to hook up the output to an oscilliscope my dad left behind.I told him that if he gave it to me that I would use it for free energy research.That was five years ago when he gave it to me.He died a couple of years later.He built it from a kit to help him fix tvs at the time.I can think of no better way to honor him.I want to see the ac component of this electricity.And the dc also.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #279 on: January 16, 2012, 10:45:14 PM »
I wonder if boric acid or aspirin would help the nu-salt sub?Or the morton salt sub for that matter?Aspirin is an acid in dry form.triffid






So is vitamin c for that matter.
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« Reply #280 on: January 16, 2012, 10:52:54 PM »
I have been wanting to use large metal sheets to build casimir plates that I can see.I know that they have to come together as close as possible without touching.I want to use the worlds thinnest paper for that job.triffid

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« Reply #281 on: January 17, 2012, 01:16:20 AM »
I already tried two sheets of thin conductive paper one on top of each other and got nothing in the way of voltages.At 30 hours my control is at .11 volts and the other two glue cells are holding at about .40 volts each.If they read the same in the morning then I guess the Salt sub was my problem.triffid

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« Reply #282 on: January 17, 2012, 01:26:24 PM »
Its been 42 hours since I made my last glue power cells.Their voltages are holding at .40 and .31 volts.The one with less voltage has less mass of crystal and less surface area of electrodes covered.So since I'm reading a lot more than .005 volts.I conclude that morton salt sub is the salt sub to use from now on.Since fumaric acid is the second ingredient listed it must be the second most abundant ingredient after potassium chloride.Thats how I understand these labels are to be read.Nu-Salt sub did not have fumaric acid listed at all in its contents.triffid

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« Reply #283 on: January 17, 2012, 01:31:20 PM »
As a food additive, it is used as an acidity regulator and is denoted by the E number E297. Fumaric acid is a food acidulent used since 1946. It is non-toxic. It is generally used in beverages and baking powders for which requirements are placed on purity. It is generally used as a substitute for tartaric acidand occasionally in place of citric acid, at a rate of 1.36 g of citric acid to every 0.91 grams of fumaric acid to add sourness, similar to the way malic acidis used. It is also used as a coagulant in stovetop pudding mixes.[/size]
It is approved for use as a food additive in the EU[2], USA[3] and Australia and New Zealand[4] (where it is listed by its INS number 297).[/size]

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #284 on: January 17, 2012, 01:38:12 PM »
Its been 42 hours since I made my last glue power cells.Their voltages are holding at .40 and .31 volts.The one with less voltage has less mass of crystal and less surface area of electrodes covered.So since I'm reading a lot more than .005 volts.I conclude that morton salt sub is the salt sub to use from now on.Since fumaric acid is the second ingredient listed it must be the second most abundant ingredient after potassium chloride.Thats how I understand these labels are to be read.Nu-Salt sub did not have fumaric acid listed at all in its contents.triffid


Glad to hear that the cells are still alive. i've notice that during the colder months the cells have less power but during the hotter months they have a lot more power. So as the weather warms up they should go up a little in voltage. Where did you get the "nu-salt" at?




 

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