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Author Topic: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells  (Read 653149 times)

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #225 on: January 08, 2012, 12:45:46 AM »

According to you Ib2,I used the wrong glue but don't worry I went out and bought some elmers glue-all.I used that tonight in making four new cells.I used tin can lids and copper.I only got .3 volts (wet) from that combination.Make sure your lids are conductive.Some of mine were not.I think a thin plastic coating was sprayed upon them.I made two with tin can lids.I made the other two with cardboard just like before.copper and aluminum like before but one I stirred the glue and first sprinkle of salt sub in,then added epson salts and salt sub,stuck the copper and aluminum in.The last cell I put everything in ,stirred it all and then stuck the electrodes in.Voltages on the last two read.52 volts(wet).My time here was 5:30pm sat.When I finished this round of cells.Sorry no video camera. triffid





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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #225 on: January 08, 2012, 12:45:46 AM »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #226 on: January 08, 2012, 12:51:07 AM »
I will see what happens with these cells.I hope it was the wrong glue.The only reason I had one working at all was I did not stir it at all.
I want to try metal window screen at some point as an electrode.Some of the new stuff is coated with plastic so you need to put a match to it and burn it off.Or else use an old rusty metal screen(its conductive).triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #227 on: January 08, 2012, 12:56:06 AM »
To me its a partial sucess that I am getting anything at all.At some point I will try silver as an electrode and nickle also.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #228 on: January 08, 2012, 05:20:06 AM »
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At .52 volts it sounds like you're on the right track. The wet and dry version of my cells produce the same amount of voltage, its very odd. If you made a water cell and used copper and aluminum you would have over a volt but since Epsom salt and salt substitute is added to the mix it lowers the voltage down to half a volt. Let the cell dry overnight and see if still has its .52 volts. This cell does sound like a winner!

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #229 on: January 08, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »
At two pm the next day the tin can cells though lower in the beginning at.30 volts are at .25 volts now!But the copper and aluminum cells which were placed on cardboard and were .52 volts in the beginning(both of them)are now .015 and.005 volts.Its no surprise that the .005 volt cell is so low.the connections could be better and the mass of the crystal is less.I must be at fault there.these are the two cells I stirred.I am the one who put the amounts of material on the cardboard.




the tin can cells I did not stir I layered them again- tin can lid,glue,saltsub,epson salts,salt sub put copper circle on top of blob.No stirring at all.The circle of copper was small enough to be placed on top of the blob without touching the tin can lid.So no shorting of electrodes.




The glue was different-a lot less water it seemed-It was set in about an hour.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #230 on: January 08, 2012, 09:57:38 PM »
The cell producing the least has the least mass of all the cells and more of the electrodes could have been covered.So that is my fault.I am using a different brand of salt sub(Nu-Salt)not Morton.That could be a reason?Its still potassium choride,contains less than 1% of cream of tartar,silicon dioxide,and natural flavor.I don't know what natural flavor is.But the other chemicals have been mentioned in johns cells literature.I did feel safe in using that brand of salt sub.I thought potassium chloride is potassium chloride no matter who made it.Maybe not?If the salt sub brand is at fault what about the epson salts?What brand should the epson salts be?(mine is TOP CARE).triffid




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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #231 on: January 08, 2012, 10:12:23 PM »
To stir or not to stir?So far my cells producing the most power are the ones not stirred.


Is the salt sub brand I"m using the right one to use?I do know different companies handle their chemicals differently.Thats why companies who buy and use chemicals have their own QC depts to test incoming chemicals.So if a supplier tests fails then they can chose another supplier.NU SALT is made by Cumberland Packing Corporation,in Brooklin NY 11205.


Do I need to worry about who made the epson salts?Maybe?


                                                                                                      regards,triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #232 on: January 08, 2012, 10:32:12 PM »
Ok IB2,I went back over your video.I am using top care epson salts just like you.




You stirred the blob after you added the first sprinkle of salt sub and all the epson salts you were going to add.
then a sprinkle again of salt sub
insert the last (second) electrode.






The stirring is most likely where I messed up.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #233 on: January 08, 2012, 11:46:19 PM »
@ triffid


i really don't understand why you're getting such low voltages. Are you able to take pictures of the cells and upload them?


How about instead of glue just get a piece of notebook paper and get it wet with water. Sprinkle some Epsom salt and salt substitute onto the paper and rub it in and allow the paper to dry. While the paper is wet test it out by poking it with copper wire and aluminum wire, you should get about half a volt. Once dried you should still get over .400 volts. This video will help you understand what i'm trying to say [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9U6GH9vgOI[/size]




Stirring should not matter. What you want to happen is to break down the Epsom salt and Salt substitute into water and then allow the water to evaporate and this leaves behind a new salt that is conductive. The has water in it so it breaks down the two salts but when glue dries the water in it is evaporating so it leaves behind the new crystal and then you have a battery. So its not the glue thats important but the water since its the water that allows the salts to combine. but once combine the cell will not need water anymore to work.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2012, 05:14:33 AM »
I need to get some aluminum wire.But I will keep trying.The tin can lid cells are producing .22 volts at this time.I really need to get some magnesium metal strips too.I used copper discs on the tin can lids.I will make a new cell before I go to bed tonight.At some point I intend to
try your notebook paper idea.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2012, 04:30:49 PM »
At about 10:30pm last night I made another cell.This time waiting for the last of the epson salts to be put on it before I stirred the mass.I added the last sprinkle of salt sub,then inserted the electrodes.An hour later I came back to it and sprinkled another round of salt sub on the cell.Electrodes were already inserted.This morning the voltage is holding at .52 volts(9:30 am).Last night the cell was .52 volts newly made(wet).I may have found what I was doing wrong .Improper insertion of the aluminum electrode into the mass.I was not using aluminum wire.I was using pull tabs from aluminum soda cans.I was laying them on top of the mass thinking that would be good enough.And pressing down a little.Last night I inserted that pull tab halfway into the mass and it made a big difference.




So I may have found what I was doing wrong.

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« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2012, 04:35:37 PM »
I will test the cell later tonight and see what the voltage is.Around midnight.If it works I will make a couple more like it and see if I get the same results,then work on getting some magnesium metal strips to make some high powered cells with it.My tin can lid cells are getting .25 volts and .22 volts.They are dry by now.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2012, 04:40:10 PM »
I have some ideas maybe on how to pulse these cells to get more power.I would like to use some of their energy to pulse them and get more power out.Afterall a teaspoon of space contains enough energy to boil away all the oceans of the world or so I have heard.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2012, 06:22:58 PM »
At 11:19am this morning the latest cell is still at .52 volts.The glue has dried a lot!triffid




I am looking forward to a 24 hour reading.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2012, 06:26:43 PM »
I had made a cell with copper wire and pencil leads(two together) since the leads are so thin.I did not report it earlier because I only got .014 volts out of it when it was wet. Now thats its dry(over 72 hours),its voltage went up to .25 volts. I forgot how I stirred it.triffid

 

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