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Author Topic: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells  (Read 551752 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2011, 11:58:26 PM »
 I have always tried your batteries IB. I have done my won too. The stove top cell is the best cell in my opinion. One of the cells I made was at 1.27 dc before it went bust. All I did was take your borax salt substitute and epsom's salt but I made a change. I add pure Carbon. I got it from the art store near me... The problem with my last one is it dried way too fast and crumbled. But it was tops in voltage.


 I made another one with a sheet of aluminum foil and a graphite coated paper. I cooked up the salts & Borax in the pot and when it got molten state I added the carbon and poured it onto the aluminum. Then quickly added the graphite paper. I used to use graphite leads but they were to small of a surface area. So I changed it to old tech and colored a piece of paper cut from an envelope. It works well but it needs a slight compression to make sure it stays all together. Other then the adhesion problem it a very good cell. My weakest cell is the pure carbon cell.

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« Reply #181 on: December 05, 2011, 03:08:23 PM »
 This adding of the pure carbon changed the crystals. Most became elongated and needle like but there are fatter ones as well. They grow and stop at the surfaces. Most grow on a slight angle but there are some that grow straight from surface to surface. My first carbon doped crystal cell kept growing because of the increased oxygen it was now getting. These crystal batteries take some time to start and complete the growing cycle. Water does help but they need to be in normal unloaded mode for the water to not act either in a galvanic or electrolysis way. So they need to be in a complete state of rest and have water and oxygen available for the growth cycle. The cycle must be complete if it is not the effects of water in the two reactions will destroy the structure via the metal eroding.


 Now even after two days the new type of mix was still wet underneath nearest the metal. I think I know why. The water the cell uses to build is mostly highly polarized water. It is from the epsom salts and when you add a bunch of charges like we do when we cook them they give up that water. That water doesn't evaporate easily because it is still within the structure via a surface skin effect and it's polarized. This polarization is a key to non evaporating water it seems. When exposed to air the growth continues via capillary action within the crystals. They sweat the water+crystal material out via pores. This action allows building on the fly and it polarizes more water in the process via environmental content.


 I am working on getting a usb Microscope so I can see this and inspect the crystals for strange events or even for continued growth. I know I can get up to 800x with the cheap scopes. So that should help with this investigation.


 The old carbon crystal mix is now just fully connecting from both sides so It take quite a while to form these structures fully. This old batch is 5 days old and now with the accelerated growth from being exposed to air it is just now closing up. Nick also saw the sweating from his style of hotdog cell. It was more pronounced.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #182 on: December 05, 2011, 05:38:44 PM »
  My hot dog cell shorted out by placing the last coat of glue on it, but has now somewhat recuperated to outputting about 0.6 volts, and 50mA, again.  But, as it is still drying, I have not placed it under a load, just to take some meter readings now and then. 
I found some aluminum wire to wind on the second hot dog cell that is going to be using the semiconductor treated 3" by1/4 " copper tube (red oxide layer), and I'll also make a table salt glue mix for that.   
 50mA from the original hot dog cell is not so bad, considering it uses just a regular table salt electrolyte, brass rod, and aluminum alloy wire.  I think that sealing the cell with the 5 minute E-poxy or something other than just the white glue on the outside is absolutely needed, as it just blow holes right through the glue, due to the electrolysis action from the water in the glue.  It would take about a dozen of my carbon/aluminum cells to equal the current output of one of these hot dog cells, even when just using a regular table salt electrolyte.
   
  @ Ib2:  What is the current readings on your "Blue cell" now?  I've asked this before... but had no reply

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #183 on: December 05, 2011, 05:54:10 PM »
NickZ


I can't give you a current reading on the big blue cell because i'm still testing it in a vacuum sealed container while it runs a LCD clock. I'm sure its at a lower current reading but it does run the LCD clock just fine, and that is all i can give you now.




At the moment I'm spending most of my time on a cell that is giving a piezoelectric effect but instead of pulses its giving a constant output of power. The power is linear to the amount of weight put atop of the cell. It seems that the cell is affected by pressure, but not in a normal sense like a piezoelectric crystal gives a spike of current when pressure is applied this cell gives a constant amps that is proportional to the weight of a object placed on top of it. This cell is taking the mass and gravity and converting it to electricity. But I'm still testing it and will have a video up soon showing what i'm talking about.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #184 on: December 05, 2011, 06:11:19 PM »
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I can't give you a current reading on the big blue cell because i'm still testing it in a vacuum sealed container while it runs a LCD clock. I'm sure its at a lower current reading but it does run the LCD clock just fine, and that is all i can give you now.




At the moment I'm spending most of my time on a cell that is giving a piezoelectric effect but instead of pulses its giving a constant output of power. The power is linear to the amount of weight put atop of the cell. It seems that the cell is affected by pressure, but not in a normal sense like a piezoelectric crystal gives a spike of current when pressure is applied this cell gives a constant amps that is proportional to the weight of a object placed on top of it. This cell is taking the mass and gravity and converting it to electricity. But I'm still testing it and will have a video up soon showing what i'm talking about.


 That sounds like the cell Nick made with carbon and quartz. It showed the same signs as you are stating, I think..

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« Reply #185 on: December 05, 2011, 06:14:46 PM »
   Thanks for the reply.  I'll wait until the cell comes out of the bag.  As that is the strongest running cell made of that type, it's important to know the long term results.
   I think that the main trick to making the salt electrolytes work properly is to make sure they are sealed, otherwise they will make their own water, if available air is present, and that is not going to make for long lasting cells, as it will also contaminate the electrolyte.
   I really like your idea of the just pure salts crystal cell, as that cell can be easily dipped in resin, or E-pozy to seal it, also.

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« Reply #186 on: December 05, 2011, 06:41:41 PM »
   jbiggness5:
   The addition weight added on top of the cell can also help with its conductivity, thus also making it have a higher output. Which is why I press my carbon/quartz cells down into the capacitor cans as much as I can.
  Now I have my two newest cells, the small ones I made a week ago, both inside a plastic AA battery holder that uses springs to make for a better contact, pressing the two cells together very tightly.  Those two tiny cells are giving me over a 1.5, to 1.91 volts depending on their mood.  I've added a couple more cells to have almost 4 volts together and they still will not light my Hartley oscillators, from lack of current. As adding them in series is not going to help their current levels. But I also have a 4 AA battery holder that can fit up to 8 of these smaller type capacitor cells that will give me about 7 volts or so, but still at only 3mA, or so.  So, current levels are also important as well,  at least they are for me.

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« Reply #187 on: December 05, 2011, 07:09:42 PM »
 Maybe adding grahite to this equasion might help with the conductivity. I would try to stay to the same grind levels for carbon and graphite. The closer you can keep those the better the cell will conduct. I agree about the conductivity and the spacing of the molecules for conduction. That is why I used water in that process. When it evaporates it will leave a better conduction path made by that evaporation and hence why I am getting a better current out of mine. I can't tell the ma's because my meter blew it's fuse. I got to go get one again. I believe the current is stronger because when I add them to my other batteries it improves the light output. Not by tons but enough to raise the light level.


 Thats what lead me to the IB's mix with carbon doping. My next experiment will use graphite powder instead. I can't wait to get some magnesium since this seems to have a better reaction and current because of them being both metals (magnesium/copper).  I am wondering what difference I would see with magnesium and copper with these new doping materials. Hmmm...

 Please try to understand that we want a conduction path from outside to inside. This makes the center electrode positive because of amplification of the surrounding surface. Crystals are part of that goal, the mere shape of them makes them amplifiers of surface charge and directional in nature because of that amplification. Induction is also a big clue here. With magnetics being closer to our detectable spectrum. Light plays another role. And crystals help in lights ability to go as far as it goes. So all of the forces are dealt with in one neat little package. Light and energy can co-exist at the same time with fields as well. Then densities have a lot to do with it after the basic laws. Since these pathways can interact over miles or even millions of miles they are the strongest forces around and when you have matter binding the forces it creates densities and divisions of those densities.

 Since water is the most available element anywhere in the universe we can see that it is a smaller density of that water that holds the true power. It can focus light and bend it's path. All this from inside of it's rigid structure. Thats what radiates light into any imaginable angle from a point source. A single drop of perfect circular water. All instantly spreading out from the main source without wasting a drop of energy in the process. If there is a conductor network present then it radiates out from the source. If it doesn't have a network already established then it grows instantly. Water also has an ability to become polarized and it reacts to static fields this is also where surface charges come into it. I think the trapped water can still move within the structure of the crystals. This is evident by the experiments we are doing here.

 Get the balance right and you have a never ending supply of energy without destroying our environment or ourselves.

 Sealing the batteries will have to be done once this balance has been attained and is the reason for such good results after sealing the balance into the cell.

 It might be possible to dope the glue with carbon or graphite to increase the conductivity of the glue even if water evaporates and is not present. this might change the reliance of water in the system to ferry the charges to the center electrode after the water has evaporated.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #188 on: December 05, 2011, 10:40:11 PM »
I have figured out what powers my cells, its pressure.


Here is the video http://youtu.be/PqBkxbdg0XY

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #189 on: December 06, 2011, 12:12:11 AM »
I have figured out what powers my cells, its pressure.


Here is the video http://youtu.be/PqBkxbdg0XY

 Very interesting. Use a pair of vise grips or put in a vise and lets see how long it will hold. My cells are inside tubes so I don't think they will react the same but I will check and see.

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« Reply #190 on: December 06, 2011, 12:13:34 AM »
 Use hose clamps and lets see what this can do!
 Share the how to to make this!

 The more I think about this the more it makes sense from what we have been seeing. As the crystals grow they get pressure applied to them. This is where we have been seeing the voltage from nothing basically. The growing of the crystals pressurized the crystals and allowed then to channel the energy flowing by them in the environment. If this is the same as how we create magnets then it makes perfect sense. Remember temperature swells and shrink almost all matter. This could be the exact way we make magnets but thought it was from the applied field which I think is only to align the magnetic grains inside of the magnet. The phase change we see, heat is how this shrinkage is working with magnets. So if we do this in a round container and allow a electrode to go in the container and cook the contents fully it should solidify and tighten up. Once fully dry then take it out of the heat and walla voltage voltage voltage. The round container is for even pressure from all sides as it shrinks from loosing heat.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #191 on: December 06, 2011, 04:03:02 PM »
  I'm wondering if a combination of carbon with the Epsom/Sub salt mix (dry) inside the capacitor cans would work.  As the carbon powder (or graphite) makes it so the salts can be used in a dry state without adding any water.  Once salts are melted down and re-solidify, they are not crystals anymore, but salt rocks. Possible loosing something in the process.  The harder I press the carbon/quartz mix into the capacitor cans, the more output it gives.  This may just be due to the better conductivity, instead of the piezo effect, but who knows. This also happens without the addition of quartz, so...

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« Reply #192 on: December 06, 2011, 04:28:56 PM »


 I have not done anything with the pure carbon cell to test compression. The cap can I am using won't allow for me to put anything in there. I will have to figure something out on that side.

 Ok I can confirm that the pure carbon cell does react to pressure. I increased the no load voltage to .68 volts from .64

The only problem that I can think of with the pure carbon is that the center electrode might get crushed seeing it is graphite but on the other hand it is a soft material so it might last. My thinking is to bake these very very slowly so that the metal stays expanded for the growth period of the crystals. This way they grow full to the metal. Then all you need to do is let the whole thing cool down. This can put the strength of the metal of pressure into a focus. The more pressure the tighter these filaments gather and the higher the density of the energy. We all know what Black holes do right? They are massive compression vortexes. Learn that matter transforms this network. It collects and pools giving life to us all.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #193 on: December 06, 2011, 05:48:16 PM »
Hey IB. Great video with the clamp. Now you need to try the hose clamps they will compress from all sides.

 You know Ib this could be a boon. they are an extended battery that does shrink the crystals. You are squeezing them and changing their inductive paths. They can channel more power. This does tend to line up the lattice to a smaller size and form a more compact crystal. I suspect this could last for 1-2 years maybe before you would have too much deformation or compacting of the structures. I am wondering if this would work with lead with antimony? Compressing lead should show signs of voltage I would think? or silver or gold even.. Maybe plate the carbon with gold or silver like I suggested. This would give you more inlets for the pressure and transferred to the carbon or graphite center electrode. Has anyone tried to electroplate Graphite before?
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« Reply #194 on: December 09, 2011, 03:04:25 AM »
I removed the pressure from the cell and let it rest to see if the cell's normal power is affected. It seems the normal power the cell gives off is not affected by the squeezing of the cell, this shows that no physical damage is being done to the cell when i crush it.

 

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