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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1530 on: August 17, 2015, 08:43:02 PM »
I made six new cells yesterday using tsp and pencil leads(graphite electrodes) and magnesium strips (darkened by soaking in 20 mule team borax overnight).Next day my voltages were 1.68 volts for each cell.
I am attempting to improve on my earlier work but don't think I have done it yet.Voltages started going down as soon as a load was attached.I was hoping to make cells that hold their voltages.triffid

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« Reply #1531 on: September 11, 2015, 07:17:23 PM »
My battery died a week ago.So I will try something else.triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1532 on: November 13, 2015, 07:15:23 PM »
I have been researching the possibility of using semiconductor materials in my crystal cells.
V=IR does not apply here
but (V) to the M power does
(V)M=IR where M can be as high as 100.

So maybe 100 volt cells are possible?
or more?
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1533 on: November 14, 2015, 12:42:25 AM »
I have been researching the possibility of using semiconductor materials in my crystal cells.
V=IR does not apply here
but (V) to the M power does
(V)M=IR where M can be as high as 100.

So maybe 100 volt cells are possible?
or more?
triffid

that sounds like an interesting approach, trying semiconductor materials added possibly at different layers of crystal growth.
from what l've read about crystals, is there is different types due to materials and process used to grow them.
i did not know there would be a such a decrease in their power storage when a load is applied as you described above.
thanx for pointing that out.
is that common for all crystal cells to drop in power capability, or is it more likely due to the amperage drawn being rather high for the self imposed rating of the tested cell?





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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1534 on: November 19, 2015, 03:55:06 PM »
I read a book titled"Programmable Matter"Which talks about the Research going on right now about semiconductor materials.It says that a million molecules of zinc oxide doped with a single atom of aluminum creates a semiconductor material.I have made zinc oxide before in the kitchen.Since I don't possess a linear accelerator at home I plan on using an aluminum electrode for the negative electrode and a zinc plated bolt for the positive electrode.As the zinc oxide forms on the positive electrode I hope a few atoms of aluminum will get mixed in.I will use a baking soda water solution for the electrolyte.I plan to make two separate batches of semiconductor zinc oxide.Since I have made batteries before out of the same metals before and found that they do make a small voltage(like 1/10 of a volt).I should get a voltage.If their equation holds true then I should see a rather large voltage.triffid



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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1535 on: November 19, 2015, 04:01:37 PM »
There was one or more persons who said here they saw no decrease in power with their cells.But I have always seen a decrease in mine.But then I have not used oxides before.This new semiconductor material will be an oxide.So maybe I will get both a power increase and no reduction in power?Kill two birds with one stone?triffid


Now I have to do the experiment.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1536 on: December 01, 2015, 07:57:20 PM »
Sorry the book is titled"Hacking matter" heres a link to it.http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Matter-Levitating-Weirdness-Programmable/dp/0465044298

It states that zinc oxide doped with aluminum atoms is a semiconductor material.
It also suggests that semiconductors used as electrodes instead of metals could give us huge power increases in our crystal cells.

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« Reply #1537 on: December 01, 2015, 07:58:50 PM »
In 1962, Arthur C. Clarke offered three laws of technological development, the last of which reads: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Expanding on an article he wrote for Wired, McCarthy uses Clarke's law as a jumping-off point for a grand tour of cutting-edge "quantum dot" research, a field that seems like nothing so much as alchemy, 21st-century style. Quantum dots are tiny pieces of semiconductor that can trap electrons, with a remarkable consequence: "the electrons trapped in a quantum dot will arrange themselves as though they were part of an atom, even through there's no atomic nucleus for them to surround." The result is an artificial atom, maybe 50 times larger than a natural one, that can simulate the properties of any element on the periodic table by catching or releasing additional electrons. McCarthy offers an extensive survey of both the science behind such "programmable matter" and the scientists developing it, reveling in applications as far-ranging as walls that light a room with their own radiant glow, cars that levitate along magnetic streets, and TV screens that "look less like a moving picture and more like a window into a real, three-dimensional space." The author, an engineer as well as a writer, is a part of the story himself, holding a patent for an application of quantum dots that he calls "wellstone" (his patent application is included as an appendix), and he makes an informative but at times technically dense case for the promising, even magical, potential of programmable atoms.
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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1538 on: December 02, 2015, 04:38:47 PM »
  This link says that CuO is a "p"type semiconductor material. http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/materials/CuO

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1539 on: December 02, 2015, 04:55:11 PM »
This link says that ZnO is a "n" type semiconductor material.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_materials

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1540 on: December 11, 2015, 08:12:08 PM »
"Hacking Matter " book says that only differently doped forms of zinc oxide show the higher voltage properties of V to the N power=IR.So anything else used will give the lower voltages like 2.0 volts and less.triffid




FeO is a semiconductor material also.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1541 on: January 26, 2016, 08:53:31 PM »

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1542 on: January 27, 2016, 08:29:17 PM »
these cells are confirmed here in my lab.
I did not have aluminum wire on hand at the time (I do now!)
so my test cells were constructed using (low-grade) copper wire and steel wire
(avg) cell voltage was 0.7v DC, they are connectable in series and parallel, just as any battery.
the advantage is that they can be made very small. allowing for a series of several batteries to be made on a single sheet of paper.

I plan to make a very large battery-bank using many, many cells.
but before I begin, I would like to ask the other builders that have tested this about your particular mixtures

My tests began with 1:1 ratio of the salts, and 2 parts glue. <-- I found this was not nearly enough glue..
tried again with 5 parts glue, still not enough. as the texture comes out to be a rubber crumbly substance, not a solid that will hold the electrodes in place.

somewhere around 10 parts glue, 1:1 salts is where my first tests ended up. this allowed for a solid structure to form when dried that held its shape and the electrodes in place for testing.

So, my question is, what % mixture do you guys use of the salts and glue to obtain the high 1v+ cells I have read about?


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1543 on: February 02, 2016, 06:59:58 AM »
After experimenting with several proportions of the 2 salts within the glue cell
I got bored, and combined the two into a superpaturated solution, and allowed it to cool and crystalize.
the remaining mixture is used in a crystal battery.

Since I got no reply on the "best mix" of the two salts, I began my experiments with a baseline test.
For simplicity and cost I decided upon a cell structure of aluminum foil (wrapped into a cylinder, and pinched off at one end)
With a copper wire as the center electrode.
My particular tests will all take place using identical batteries.
The variable will be the % of salts in the compound crystal mixture.

My first mixture consisted of: 6 parts Magnesium Sulfide, 1 part Potassium Chloride.

The ratio of this mixture is very granular, and will not form into a mono-polycrystal structure.
it breaks up into smaller compound salt crystals, which can be packed into the battery housing.

A Majority of the salt that reforms is MgSO4. Which is hydrophilic,
and naturally takes on the 7th hydrate crystalline structure known as Epsomite. (MgSO4*7H2O)
By reacting the Epsomite with the Sylvite in hot water, we create a partial reaction.
Therefore:
Encased in these crystals are two other crystal salt elements:

Defined by the reaction: MgSO4 + 2KCl -> MgCl2 + K2SO4

Essentially, the MgSO4 is "doped" with both Magnesium Chloride and Potassium Sulfate (Arcanite).

a true reaction would take place at a ratio of 1:2
My first test cells use a 6:1 ratio, and I will increase the amount of KCl and record voltage and current from each cell.

Initial testing gives 0.5V per cell, with a current of 0.6-0.8ma
I plan to link several cells in series and parallel to build a more powerful battery.

will posts results as they come in, and maybe some pics once I get my process ironed out.


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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1544 on: February 02, 2016, 09:08:00 AM »
I completed a test of 4 cells, using a 6:1 ratio; solid crystal mixture
My data sheet contains results for each of the 4 cells, but since I was fairly consistent....
they are basically the same data to within .001v

each cell produced 0.54V DC, with a short circuit current (?) of 0.05ma [see note at bottom]

2 series (x2 in parallel)
0.94V, 0.015ma [ I found that one of the cells may have been shorting out during this test]

4 series
1.825V , 0.01ma

4 parallel
0.4V , 0.15ma

[note: the current of each individual cell depleted when shorted across the meter, it recovered to the maximum almost immediately, similar to an electret effect. This seemed to stabilize when multiple cells were connected in parallel]

More testing to follow, with ratios of 3:1,  2:1,  1:1, and finally 1:2 (complete reaction, wherein no MgSO4 is left)



 

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