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triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1260 on: May 21, 2012, 02:32:45 PM »
No mention in the database, of percentage of oxalic acid in BKF however,I was hoping to find out.As I was going through pages of this thread.I realized a few things.Unless you do keep a notebook handy to record your results you do forget things.I forgot I nearly got 2 mAs of current from vitamin C/citric acid cells.I raced off to oxalic acid mostly because I found a free source of it out in the front yard.


Protecting the magnesium strips became a big deal with me when I discovered the vitamin C would snap them after a month.


If treatment with borax can protect the magnesium strips.Then I can go back to vitamin C/citric acid cells.I reviewed some videos last night
And it was mentioned that the different( metal) electrodes create a dipole(potential difference) but the crystals provide the amps.So knowing that heat is a vibration just like sound.Heat does have a much smaller vibration.I am still looking for a better electrode.Gold I guess or titanium? triffid

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« Reply #1261 on: May 21, 2012, 04:18:29 PM »
Because I went back to page 50 of this thread and worked my way forward to page 61. I was reminded of a few things.
Big J ,said that 2.0 volts is the top voltage for these cells because water breaks down into hydrogen and oxygen.
With my sponge and tap water I can get 1.75 volts for pencil lead and magnesium strip electrodes.So maybe I have found the cheapest electrodes I can get my hands on?With conductive string I can tie the pencil lead in series.Pencil lead, being brittle, has been a problem to hook up to other electrodes.So going back to vitamin C/citric acid cells and using treated magnesium(with borax) strips and pencil leads
should give me over 1 mAs in power? So 30 cells hooked up in series would be 30 x 1.5 volts x 1.25 mAs would give me 56.25 milliwatts.
So in 30 days time that would give me 5040 hours(30 day month)x56.25 mW equals 283.5 watts for 30 days. 12 months x283.5 watts equals 3,402 watts for a year.So I could make 3.4 kilowatts a year.Thats where we are today.At 11 cents a kilowatt.Not even 50 cents worth of electricity.triffid


I guess the next thing to do is work on the crystal mix?Should I add alum to the epson salts?Or ferrous oxalate?

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1262 on: May 22, 2012, 06:19:21 PM »
An article on the efficiency of solar cells, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pip.1021/pdf  36 percent tops plus 41.3 percent was once sighted. triffid


I believe 1905 was the first time the photoelectric effect was described?


The cheapest solar cells Ive seen so far are at www.ecrater.com  Some have free shipping,not all,you have to pay attention.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1263 on: May 22, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »
I think the borax treated magnesium strips are going to hold.Two more days to the two week timeline and they are still firm,not weakened,by the oxalic acid from the dandelion leaf.Unlike the untreated magnesium strips of the past.triffid
30 minutes in a warm tap water saturated borax solution(they turn black during this time).Dry overnight.But I did wait two weeks to use them.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1264 on: May 22, 2012, 07:09:47 PM »
IBP,John Bedini is mentioned here. http://newalternativeelectricalpower.com/energysuppression.html.triffid


Also a water to gasoline guy is mentioned here.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1265 on: May 22, 2012, 07:28:59 PM »
More gasoline pill info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mota_fuel triffid

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1266 on: May 22, 2012, 08:50:53 PM »
I treated six more magnesium strips with borax.Once again I left them in a warm saturated water solution for 30 minutes.Once again they turned a black color.
I placed them in a dry plastic container to dry overnight.Im out of elmers glue-all today.So Friday I will go back to citric acid/vitamin C and make six cells.triffid

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« Reply #1267 on: May 22, 2012, 09:02:28 PM »
Let me say something here.Putting these cells together requires quite a bit of skill using the materials we have available to us in the kitchen.While I can look at the catalogs on laboratory glassware and dream of paying out 150 dollars to 200 dollars for some really neat looking glassware.I know I really can't afford that.So I go to the grocery store ,buy cottage cheese and yogurt in plastic containers.That I can wash out and use for my experiments.I can buy applesauce in glass jars or pickles in glass jars.Wash those out and save them to use in my experiments.I can buy corn dogs and save and wash those wooden sticks to stir with or if they are flat like mine are.I can use them as a measure.So today I realized as I was treating my magnesium strips with borax that I was using stuff from the grocery store to work with.
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low cost lab equipment to work with .plastic bottles to mix salt solutions with too.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1268 on: May 22, 2012, 11:40:17 PM »
Another water into gasoline pill story.  http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/589/is-there-a-pill-that-can-turn-water-into-gasoline


Sounds like fraud was involved.triffid




I guess my turning water into H2O2 is the best way to go afterall.I would use electricity and sulfuric acid to make mine.Make it about 40%
conc and keep it stablized until ready for burning.

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1269 on: May 24, 2012, 12:06:44 AM »
Today is two weeks from the day the last dandelion cells were made(oxalic acid).And made with borax treated magnesium strips.Today the magnesium strip I had touched the most nearly broke in half.Keep in mind that I have magnesium strips that were put in cells last january and they are as strong as when I first put them in.So that wait is over with.Now Im waiting to see what happens with the oxalate(black pepper) cells.Concerning the unprotected magnesium strips.Most likely they will break too,given another week?Triffid


the oxalic acid cells did produce slightly more power than the oxalate cells.
I get a new camera phone in july when I upgrade with t-mobile.

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« Reply #1270 on: May 25, 2012, 02:11:30 AM »
@ triffid: I hope you get a phone that can take better pictures than mine does!

My latest cells are still producing voltage, even the one that had the grey bubbly stuff around the Al. I was able to get readings of about 0.4 milliwatts so at 2 volts I guess about 200mA current(P=VxI) but they don't stay there for long (that was days ago). Today I doubt they will move the needle at all...
Anyhow, I put together a couple meters into a box that used to hold a tiny 9v guitar amplifier (yeah, it was a kid toy). It worked out pretty well, I will take a pic one of these days of my new workspace. Got a FG that goes from 20-200kHz but only does a decent sine wave. Now I can test my hearing! (j/k)
I have some work lined up so maybe I can build some JTs when I have money AND time..
Maybe some new cells next week. I have to look through my older cells and see if anything is worth persuing. Will post more when I have more to post.

Happy experimenting,
PC

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #1271 on: May 25, 2012, 06:02:28 AM »
Today I saw the biggest containers of elmers glue-all that I have ever seen.Lowes has one gallon jugs of Elmers glue-all for right at 12 dollars.It scared me seeing that much glue together in one bottle.All I could think of was how much I would waste.I ended up getting three smaller bottles at about $1.65 each.Came to about $5.50 anyway.Should have gotten the jug anyway.
PC,I know how you feel.You said you would report when you had something to report.So far all of my attempts to protect the magnesium strips have failed.The alum failed(no conductivity)the borax has failed,the petro jelly failed.
I have been looking for conductive string.I have not found it yet in my usual haunts.I did treat 24 more magnesium strips with borax before I found the weakened one yesterday in the last dandelion cells I made.I was on my way to making 36 more cells.So I could make kilowatts of power per year.I have plastic coated metal window screen I can wrap around the borax treated mag strips.To give structural support to them.
The screen itself is not conductive due to the plastic coating on it.I am trying to make ferrous oxalate now using dandelion leaf in tap water and steel tin cans.It might work it might not.The materials are cheap enough to try with anyway.triffid


My new idea of late has been to use solder(its an alloy) as an electrode.I haven't tried it yet.
I have two red LEDs burning in the hot room tonight.

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« Reply #1273 on: May 28, 2012, 08:45:03 PM »
This article says that table salt and white vineagar combine to form HCL.Hydrochloric acid. http://www.ehow.com/how_6608778_clean-coins-oxidized.html  Im always looking for ways to make cheap chemicals in the kitchen.triffid

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« Reply #1274 on: May 28, 2012, 08:51:44 PM »
Lets not ignore tomato juice!   http://www.ehow.com/about_6513883_tomato-juice-clean-pennies-best_.html
Once again salt is the secret.triffid