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Author Topic: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented  (Read 6922 times)

Offline Arch~Angel

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The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:56:54 AM »
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A US Patent has been awarded to John Timothy Sullivan for the Sully Direct Current, which is not AC nor DC. Discovered as part of new a electrolysis technique.
BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, USA -- Clear Energy, Inc., a small R&D company in Baltimore, has been issued US Patent number 7,041,203 for a new electrical current.

More at source

Diagram from Mr. Sullivan:
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/NlCMeZe2G5WBCNm/SDC-vs-DC.pdf

Homepage:
http://www.sullydc.com/index.html

Patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov

Motion Diagram:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

Mr. Sullys' forum thread at PhysOrg:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5266

Images:
http://www.rexresearch.com/sullivan/sullivan.htm

It is not clear in the images in the first link, but the electrode is a coil within a coil. The purpose being to shake the electrode.

Current flowing through the coils changes direction while current flowing out of them, and through the electrolyte does not change direction.

Both AC and DC properties within the same device without switching polarity.

New diagrams to be released soon better illustrating the system with new applications.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 05:11:06 PM »
Boy! I guess the next patent will be on the subject of 'Sully Ohms' or 'Sully Capacity'? I have a big question although, if this is 'Sully Current, Sully Amp's, how is it being measured with conventional old instrumentation, like the volt and amp meters indicated. Maybe it's a dimentional current that is only present in the cell and changes back at the interface of conventional meters. But, are not electrons flowing?

I don't want to pick a fight with anyone over my view of this, but "REALLY".

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 06:25:14 PM »
I have a big question although, if this is 'Sully Current, Sully Amp's, how is it being measured with conventional old instrumentation, like the volt and amp meters indicated. Maybe it's a dimentional current that is only present in the cell and changes back at the interface of conventional meters. But, are not electrons flowing?

The point of it all is that in a single device you have AC current flowing through the wires, and DC flowing through the conductive medium.

The power SOURCE is what allows this.

Switched DC in, AC through the coils, and continuous DC across the fluid conductor.

All without switching polarity.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
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Offline Arch~Angel

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2006, 01:39:11 AM »
There is one benefit that is not so obvious, and you need to look at it as a power source to understand. From the sully DC power power station, across the Sully DC power lines, and to your Sully DC powered device there is no change in current direction within the wires so there is not the EMF loss/hazard associated with AC, but you still have the switching benefits of AC.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 03:35:46 AM by Arch~Angel »

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 02:47:49 AM »
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/Wfkv2jhWORMY31J/SDC4.pdf.html

A new diagram I just received from Mr. Sullivan. I hope this helps explain better what is happening in the system.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
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Offline Arch~Angel

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2006, 02:18:52 AM »
It helps if you try to forget what you CAN'T do with typical AC and DC circuits.

Lets use figure 12 from the patent for discussion to avoid confusion:
rexresearch.com/sullivan/fig12.jpg

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From the Patent:
The multi-directional electric currents have the effect of accelerating processes that rely on interaction between a current and the medium that carries the current, and of eliminating asymmetries that can lead to scaling or premature wear in batteries and other electrolytic systems. The medium that carries the multi-dimensional currents may be an electrolyte, gas, gel, semiconductor, or any other medium capable of carrying current between two electrodes, and having at least two dimensions so as to enable variation in the current direction.
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If the voltages applied to the electrodes are DC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of DC currents, and if the voltages applied to the electrodes are two or three phase AC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of AC currents. However, unlike conventional DC and AC currents, the currents generated by the method and apparatus of the invention move or rotate. If the electrodes are one-dimensional wires, then the currents rotate in two-directions. If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimensions.

SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path which is the fluid electrolyte[Water + Electrolyte]. Through wires you can only have AC or DC in their various forms. SDC has characteristics that are found in both AC and DC that would seem to be mutally exclusive, and they are in a single dimensional circuit.

In figure 12 you see two wires. One is connected to the two positive terminals, and the other to the two negative terminals. The four switches are alternated 180 degrees out of phase. In the first half of the cycle current flows from one pole through the wire, then through the coil to all points where conductor is touching the fluid medium, then across the medium to the other wire, and on to the opposing pole. At no time are there any more than two poles with a switch closed. In the second half of the cycle the current path is the same except that its coming from the opposite end of the wire.

Think of the coil as having two single dimensional connections, and one multi-dimensional connection. Through the connection between the two power supply poles you have AC current without changing polarity. Through the connection between the poles and the medium you have DC current[in single dimensional terms. Actually its SDC].

Through the coil the direction of the current flow changes, but polarity never changes. Through the medium the current flow between anode and cathode never reverses, but its physical direction through the medium does change. It sort of sways back and forth without reversing direction. In absolute terms using one dimensional measurments you have continuous DC current flow between anode and cathode. It has all the properties of DC, but since the current flow though the medium is changing directions the current takes on the magnetic properties of AC current.

You only need to change the direction, not reverse directions.

It is DC with a property normally associated with AC.

And it is AC with a property normally associated with DC.

The effect cannot be reproduced with AC or DC. The properties are mutually exclusive in those systems. The new physical dimension in the circuit allows the current to possess an additional electrical property.

If you are having a hard time understanding don't feel bad. I can't begin to do even the simplest parts of the math, but I can visualize what is happening in my mind.

And I think 3DC [implying new dimensions] might be a better term, but Mr. Sullivan might not like the idea.

Michael

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2006, 09:45:35 AM »
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SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path [...]
ever heared of quadrupol fields ? A concept well known among physicists, but maybe not to inventor of SDC. They are two dimensional. Multipol fields of higher order can also be multidimensional. Mr. Sullivan has a smart way of switching for electrolysis, but nothing revolutionary for the world of physics.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2006, 05:01:54 PM »
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SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path [...]
ever heared of quadrupol fields ? A concept well known among physicists, but maybe not to inventor of SDC. They are two dimensional. Multipol fields of higher order can also be multidimensional. Mr. Sullivan has a smart way of switching for electrolysis, but nothing revolutionary for the world of physics.

A quadrupole field is just that, a field. The field of two dipoles oriented antiparallel.

SDC is multi-dimensional current flow. Quadrupole fields may or may not be part of the current flow, but they do not define the current form, its properties, or applications.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2006, 06:15:08 PM »
Multidimensional current flow is nothing new. Even the cheapest and simplest electronic device works this way. You have a complex network of interconnected current paths, thus you have multidimensional current flow within. If you like, you can add parasitic resistance and leak currents too, and then it becomes even more obvious.
Voltage and current are by definition vector units having two or three room and one time dimension(s). Only the over simplified books for undergraduated smash it all down into scalar equations. There is no need for SDC, and even AC is just a special case of DC - repeated polarity reversal to make use of effects that are time dependent.
Of course, now you can argue that SDC makes use of room dependent things, but the only benefit I can see is that the inventor wants to stick his flag somewhere into the field of physics. I can not see any new effects associated with SDC which are not known or unexplainable with current knowledge (multipol source in a conductive medium).
However, partly I agree with Sullivan: way to much physicists and technicians are quite one-dimesional minded  8)
But I don't think this justifies the introduction of a new name for something not so new.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2006, 06:40:02 PM by IcyBlue »

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 07:36:42 PM »
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Multidimensional current flow is nothing new.

Of course a wire has more than a single dimension, but the other physical dimensions are not employed by AC or DC systems. Flow is not perfectly straight through like drawing a line.

This is incidental to AC and DC, but controled and put to use with SDC.

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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
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Re: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2006, 07:34:41 AM »
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/archangel432/sdcva.jpg)

In a one dimensional world the only way to change direction is to reverse direction, but thats not true in a multi-dimensional world.

The change in current direction through the coil-electrode is accomplished by switching which end of the wire is connected to the anode or cathode, but current flow between electrodes across the fluid medium does not reverse directions. Anode and Cathode do not switch, but direction does change.

Current flow through the wire changes direction without changing polarity, and curent flow through the fluid medium does not reverse direction.

A wire may be a single dimensional current path, but an electrode is not, and neither is a fluid medium capable of carrying current such as water with an electrolyte added.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2006, 07:55:25 AM by Arch~Angel »

 

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