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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: godsdog on October 20, 2011, 05:42:00 PM

Title: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 20, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
im building this one at the moment, basically (if) it works by fixed magnets attacted to steel nails, apon reaching the nail it triggers a switch to complete the curcuit making the nail into an electromagnet with then repels the magnet, which is then attracted to the next nail. Hopefully generating more output than input

ive made it with two fixed magnets and seven nails, and it was spinning wicked fast but with little power so once i connected a generator it slowed dramatically. from a 1.5v d battery input i only got something like .25v

so Marc II is to make one with 6 fixed magnets and 6 nails, which should be more powerful.

im not super hopeful that this is going to work, its fun making though.

neway, thought i'd share, magnets are awesome things i reckon theres gotta be some way of harnessing that energy one way or another.
*i apologise for the size of the image, i tried fixing it but not too successful*
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 21, 2011, 08:17:26 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 22, 2011, 06:34:28 AM
Tito
you sir, are a champion, thankyou
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 22, 2011, 06:42:50 AM
you throw a ball up an infinite amount of stairs as far as you can and aspect it to bounce back with more energy to you?
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 22, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
the blind leading the blind = religion. have hope(blind) and faith(blind), this is what you are. Hopeless. keep it out of main stream because any religion plagiarizing science is wrong! it doesn't belong nor are you worthy.
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 22, 2011, 12:08:23 PM
IT IS EASIER FOR A BLIND PERSON TO BE SAVE THAN TO WAKE AN ALREADY WAKE PERSON  :D

IF WE CAN MAKE A LITTLE HELP FOR SOMEONE, WHY NOT? THAN DISCOURAGEMENT  ;)  :P

IT IS REALLY EASY TO SEE THE LIGHT IF YOU ARE BLIND THAN ANYONE CAN SEE LITERALLY BUT ACTUALLY BLIND  :D

OH BOY WHAT AN APE ENGLISH  :D  :D  :D LOL
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 22, 2011, 02:58:40 PM
hmm, onthecuttingedge of blind judgements from a man looking no further than his own nose,
why dont you keep your personal feelings of faith out of this, and comment on the issue at hand,
or are you too paranoid i might convert, lol.

throwing a ball up stairs takes energy, so unless your ball can exert more than on its bounce back up than you throwing it, your basis of argument is petty.

neway
im actually giving up on that motor for the moment and working on something else, same principle, but designed around a simple light chaser, with a speed dial. ill replace the lights with electromagnets, so the fixed magnets will forever be chasing the +ve electromagnet, no picture this time though, not sure if website will have space, lol
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: vineet_kiran on October 26, 2011, 05:51:26 PM
@ godsdog         
         
         
That is a good idea but I think that the problem  is with arrangement  of magnets.     When you arrange the magnets
radially,   the direction of force of repulsion will be towards  center  and a very a small component  of this force   
acts tangentially  on the rotating disc.    Hence you won't get  desired output  in the form of torque.         
         
Instead you can arrange things  like  piston and fly wheel as in the case of IC engine.         
         
Fix your electromagnet  to a platform.    Place the permanent magnet  positioned with  some sort of guide bars    
in line with electromagnet.   Connect the other end of the magnet to a flywheel using a piston rod and crank shaft.  (same as piston - flywheel arrangement in IC engine).     When  moving permanent magnet comes very close to ectromagnet it should trigger the switch of  electromagnet converting it into repelling magnet. 
Since both magnets are in line, the permanent  magnet  experiences full force  of repelling electromagnet.         
         
In this case you will have double advantage  because as long as permanent magnet is moving  towards  electromagnet,
it will be attracted towards  the magnetic material of the core,   when it comes very close to the  core  it will be suddenly
repelled.   This sudden change from attraction to repulsion will cause the permanent  magnet to move back with double force  (ie., -X to +X).   
 Also,  you will not have the disadvantage of back emf  as in the case of DC motor.         
         
Your input  is energy required  to magnetise one core whereas  your output is proportional to  H1 * H2/ d(square)  which
takes into consideration strengths of both  magnets.   Hence if properly designed,   you should have a OU  device!         
         
Best of luck,         
         
Regards         
         
Vineet.K.         
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 27, 2011, 01:42:14 PM
Hey thanks Vineet

thats a great idea, that would introduce a bit of resistance with the pistons though,
but very much worth trying cheers

Have a good one mate,

godsdog
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 27, 2011, 02:10:19 PM
hey vineet
i searched google for electomagnetic internal combustion motor,
found this
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=hybrid-help-can-bill-gates-make-the-2009-04-15
been patented,
cant find anything on youtube, but theres an interesting comment below from a russian guy about a magazine, aparrently its been an idea for 40 odd years,
but ya know what, im try it anyway, till i find confirmed that it doesnt work, patented pfft, black market mate
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: vineet_kiran on October 27, 2011, 03:02:18 PM
@godsdog


Sorry, I was not knowing that.


You just try this.   Before trying again check up whether patent is aquired for this design also.  If so I will delete it from my files.

Avoid making cheap comments.


Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 28, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
my internet searching experience extends to google and different ordered words
id be a waste of time searching patents for your design, sorry

honestly patents are not my concern, if i make something work, and theres a patent out there for it,
ill just give the ideas to that person, im that kinda guy.
i think more about the advance of the human race than my coin.

i figure thats why we're all here, sharing ideas so we can figure this over unity problem out,

have you tried making that design, it looks like it might work, but i think ive seen or heard similar with two circles of the same size and several magnets around them in the same way as different poles, and i think it reaches a sticky point inbetween two magnets, so they wont keep each other going, essentially it'll probably be like two gears.

i dont like making cheap comments, i dont need to feel like im awesome
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: vineet_kiran on October 28, 2011, 01:25:35 PM
@godsdog


I have tried that experiment.   It won't reach any sticky point.  Try it yourself.

Better close the discussion here itself.

Thank you,

Vineet.K
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: godsdog on October 28, 2011, 04:05:27 PM
yawn ;D
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: synchro1 on December 06, 2013, 03:27:12 AM
@godsdog


Sorry, I was not knowing that.


You just try this.   Before trying again check up whether patent is aquired for this design also.  If so I will delete it from my files.

Avoid making cheap comments.


The magnetic drag from the soft iron makes this an extremely inefficient design.
Title: Re: magnetic motor (with electromagnets) idea
Post by: vineet_kiran on December 08, 2013, 04:22:43 AM

The magnetic drag from the soft iron makes this an extremely inefficient design.


 
That is not a problem at all. You just have to provide some force on the other side of magnets to balance the force of attraction between magbets acting on one side of the bearing.  There are other easier methods to do it than providing soft iron as shown in  the diagram and people who are 'fit' to conduct experiments would have already solved that problem.
 
The question here is whether the smaller magnet rotates the bigger magnet with equal speed (RPM).  It definitely does,  provided number of poles on both magnets are equal  and ratio of diameters is not too high.