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wizkycho

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2006, 09:10:24 AM »
mikestocks2006  I NEVER measure more than few kiloohm resistance.  It is impossible to keep very clean the water, and ay waste dramatically increases ionic conductivity.   But Meyer said, it works with normal tap water and saltwater.

Or the resonance maybe changes the conductivity of the cell?  I don't know.

There is a video on NORMAL electrolisis, 12V 10A with normal tap water, and 1,5mm gap.  few ohms..
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/horvath/MVI_3287.AVI


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I have an idea for bingofuel.  using carbon rods to generate gas is difficult, and not efficient.   A fine dust of carbon "emulsion"  on the water should be used.  And some arcing under the water  needed.  Maybe it generates more gas, and you don t need carbon rods, only some piece of carbon.  I think its less difficult to drive a car.

And it is not a bad idea. Exhaust gasses from car are full of unburnt carbon even in modern cars and modern fuels because at slightly higher rpms fuel doesn't have enough time to burn entirelly. Look what Mr. Pantone does - He retrofits exhaust and "wash" it in watter. There is your fine dust or carbon emulsion. And here is another idea: If we put electrolisers in that water will get H2 O2 and even burnt fuel as CO and CO2 is going to recombine to CH4 or methane + steam ...
I'm going in that direction.

raburgeson

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2006, 12:15:39 AM »
Yes, I think it was .005 amp and critical because and arc destroys the resonance. In a video I watched He started the circuit around 5KV and adjusted it up to about 22KV and the meters showed (abit later) about 25KV and 0 amps from the angle viewed. I simply paused it and read it. The patent description was tens of thousands of volts so I figured build the circuit for 40KV for experimenting. Without arcing there is no reason to fear explosion, and I don't think this circuit is capible of instant disasociation of the water, so I'm not afraid of instantly generating tons of instant pressure either. Getting enough volume to call it really generating fuel would get me skipping.
The water doesn't give any capacitance except at a perfect frequency then you get a capacitive reactance it's  a sort of band pass filter blocking a frequency we want to find. The square waves generate harmonics, will make the job easier. Good luck to all of us.

Tesla's circuits are good to use for this, they are low current. Set your first few tries outside and don't try to contain the gas at first. Some people have claimed disassociation, that is instant conversion of water to gas. I would prefer to find a way to do this because a cup of water could raise the pressure of a large tank of air to over a thousand pounds instantly. That hooked to a turbine or air driven motor would be useful, not good for the road but useful. I don't believe we have anything to fear, I don't think anyone will be able to disassociate using Meyer's princables.
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wizkycho

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2006, 12:10:29 AM »
raburgeson !

can you please send a link to that movie ?

thx


raburgeson

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2006, 04:29:10 AM »
http://www.lonelantern.org/collection.html

Go though google so it gets cached! Cause it may disappear.

complete look at pulse generator meyers used, capable of 5.45mghtz, just because others were working up to 48.2 khtz might not mean much. letting you know going in we might not know as much as we think. Might take some work to find the frequency. We are hunting for the resonant frequency of the water molecules, not the capacitance.

mikestocks2006

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2006, 04:31:46 AM »
Interesting about Stanley Meyer

Not much info on the net besides some obscure mention on s UK news publication.

"Since this concept violates the first law of thermodynamics and this apparatus has never been demonstrated to work or reproduced, it was met with much skepticism and was later found to be a hoax. The purpose of the hoax was likely to attract gullible investors, selling them licensing rights for a "revolutionary" technology. The inventor, Mr. Stanley Meyer (died March 21, 1998), was later successfully sued by some of these disgruntled investors, whom he had sold "dealerships", and convicted for "gross and egregious fraud". "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8ee0acb80e943e21?hl=endc310437cd1cee1e7&

raburgeson

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2006, 04:41:55 AM »
Don't sit here and quote disinformers watch the vid. Seeing the water seperate says it all.

mikestocks2006

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2006, 05:04:28 AM »
I can't say that it works as i can't say that it doesn't. I watched all his videos. There are supporters, and also people who don't think it's doable.

That's all.

Peace

raburgeson

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Re: Tesla + Meyer + water
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2006, 08:31:13 AM »
What my experimenting on the tesla coils points to is different. I am going to bring up 2 theories because both contribute to what seems to be happening inside the windings. First the one you are most comfortable with, The electromagnetic wave travels up the windings by way of skin effect causing the magnetic flux to align with the wire instead of being perpendicular and when it collapses it cuts through more material and creats a greater indutive kick than it normaly would. 2nd, Tesla view, The DC pulse going up the coil stiffens the aeither inside and outside the windings and mini whirlpools draw aeither through the winding stack creating different charges at the top and bottom of all the windings instantly. It looks like to me that both these happen at the same time and both these theories seem to be working together. And guys don't kill this thread just because I opened my big mouth.

Somewere we are missing a big point the charges that bond in water are strong, It looks like a very good electrolyte for a battery by discription. There most be a simple way to use water this way and everybody is stepping over the solution and we should have blundered into it by now, the hydrogen should be the bi-product. The bond breaking should be releasing a good deal of energy. Am i making any sense here? Used without additives that would corrupt neither the hydrogen or the oxygen.

They didn't give Meyers patents on things that didn't work in fact they fought like hell to subvert his work. Every large energy production base has teams of lawyers, lets say you do produce battery cell that uses water as the electrolyte. These lawyers will view your discription and try to stop you first by proving patent infringment. This stuff is flagged and sent to those people. Failure at that big money steps in and protects it's interests in any way or means it neads to. You need a breakthrough to get a direct view of what is officially going on. Once you get the 10 million you don't own it anymore, complain and lose your family, you will achieve understanding, at that point your patent will be used to stop others from doing it. The powers that be will consider your work purchased and their own.

Me I'm not happy with the forces adding up in a tesla coil, how do you get them to multiply? Just can't figure it out.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2006, 08:48:20 PM by raburgeson »