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Author Topic: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here  (Read 849340 times)

chessnyt

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I'd definitely start with the U.S as these wars for oil really have to stop!  But as a manufacturer I wouldn't stop there if other countries couldn't make it cheaper.

There's a lot of possibilities in this technology to make the world a better place, obviously it would help the world tremendously, and I'm all for it, but how long would it take to get to the people that really need it urgently is the question. Let's just hope it can get there quickly, too many people are dying for lack of food and water and depend on such a tech to save their lives. 

With kind regards,
Paul

@Paul:
Yes, I agree that the U.S. would be the best country to start implemented the technology and as it stands currently, the U.S. is the location of the E-Cat’s first debut in October with a 1 megawatt power plant.

As far as stopping all of the wars over oil, I’d take that a step further and suggest we stop all the wars period.  The Afghanistan war is now a 10 year war with no end in sight.  It’s another damn Vietnam.  The Russian’s even pulled out of Afghanistan after their invasion and they were 75 times more ruthless than our military is even if you include our new policy which mandates torture.  Just by sheer luck, the U.S. government is now bankrupt and will have no choice but to end its frivolous spending habits.

Besides the unnecessary wars we wage on false pretenses, we also still have troops stationed in Germany!  And how many years has that war been over now?  We still pay for troops that are still stationed in Japan and Korea!  I can’t even name all of the places we NEEDLESSLY still try to justify the occupation of our military which drains our tax dollars even further.
 
Then there’s the Department of Defense and their savvy book keepers.  They STILL to this day can NOT even account for over $2.3 T R I L L I O N (with a “T”) dollars they spent.  They even admit that it could take years to account for this money they were given even if they brought in outside auditors to help!!!  If we can not trust the Department of Defense with large sums of money, then how can we trust them with our war machines and military service men’s lives?


Chess

chessnyt

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@Everyone:
The E-Cat testing is only 4 days away now.  I would like to thank everyone who participated in the poll attached to this thread.  The results are very interesting.

If Rossi succeeds, he will be the first person who has ever had his over unity device both confirmed by the scientific community and brought to market.

I would have to agree with those of you who believe Rossi’s actions are con-artist like behavior if it were not for his most recent activities.  He recently had a falling out with one of his backers which left him short the capital to complete his October debut of the technology.  Now most con-artists would have used this circumstance to solicit donations and/or investors to further their scam and then made a convenient excuse (e.g. The funds raised fell short of his needs to complete/demonstrate his device) to avoid debuting the technology in order to continue the scam and avoid being exposed.  This was not the case.

Instead, Rossi sells his own home and uses the proceeds to ensure the timely release of his technology.  Then, he invites respected scientists from all over the world to come to the demonstration and scientifically analyze his device including permission to open up the device to inspect, weigh and take measurements before, during and after the demonstration.  Then, he allows the testing to be biased against his device which raises the bar considerably.  Now these most recent moves on Rossi’s part are very poor con-artist procedure.  They will surely ban him for life from all the upcoming con-artist conventions for this.  He will be sued by every fraudulent organization that ever existed.  The nerve of this guy!  He's leaving con-artists everywhere extremely disappointed. 


Regards,

Chess

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@Everyone:
The E-Cat testing is only 4 days away now.  I would like to thank everyone who participated in the poll attached to this thread.  The results are very interesting.

If Rossi succeeds, he will be the first person who has ever had his over unity device both confirmed by the scientific community and brought to market.

I would have to agree with those of you who believe Rossi’s actions are con-artist like behavior if it were not for his most recent activities.  He recently had a falling out with one of his backers which left him short the capital to complete his October debut of the technology.  Now most con-artists would have used this circumstance to solicit donations and/or investors to further their scam and then made a convenient excuse (e.g. The funds raised fell short of his needs to complete/demonstrate his device) to avoid debuting the technology in order to continue the scam and avoid being exposed.  This was not the case.

Instead, Rossi sells his own home and uses the proceeds to ensure the timely release of his technology.  Then, he invites respected scientists from all over the world to come to the demonstration and scientifically analyze his device including permission to open up the device to inspect, weigh and take measurements before, during and after the demonstration.  Then, he allows the testing to be biased against his device which raises the bar considerably.  Now these most recent moves on Rossi’s part are very poor con-artist procedure.  They will surely ban him for life from all the upcoming con-artist conventions for this.  He will be sued by every fraudulent organization that ever existed.  The nerve of this guy!  He's leaving con-artists everywhere extremely disappointed. 


Regards,

Chess

The problem is he's already had plenty of chances to have it tested properly but refused to allow it. The home selling drama is farcical. This is what is known as stringing people along.

WilbyInebriated

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The problem is he's already had plenty of chances to have it tested properly but refused to allow it. The home selling drama is farcical. This is what is known as stringing people along.
plenty of chances? like when specifically? and what were the 'tests' to be performed (specifically) that he (rossi) refused? furthermore, it is not a "problem"... it is his (rossi's) prerogative.

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Sounds to me more like this is an inventor that is willing to do anything to get this out to the world and has avoided last ditch efforts by investors to do the usual screw job leaving the inventor with little or nothing.  A big Cheers for Rossi and prayers for him and the world that this succeeds as claimed. 

happyfunball

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plenty of chances? like when specifically? and what were the 'tests' to be performed (specifically) that he (rossi) refused? furthermore, it is not a "problem"... it is his (rossi's) prerogative.

Go read the articles on Peswiki like everyone else. Volume of steam output claim keeps going down, etc ad nauseum.

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Go read the articles on Peswiki like everyone else. Volume of steam output claim keeps going down, etc ad nauseum.
you talk of farcical and then you direct me to peswiki?  LMFAO!!! that's rich man, thanks for the laugh!

so... you really have nothing to base your argument upon then do you?

mscoffman

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Because of the unique way Rossi has chosen to do this
I think his problem may be that he doesn't understand
"computer process instrumentation and control" very well
if at all. Stuff like "observables, Lagrangian" and other
the neat stuff used to collect data to support a process model.
Of course there is no law against doing things this way.
If he knew at least the basics then he would be able to
apply "self intelligent process controllers" which are able
to  find the stability control laws for a system without human
technical intervention.

For example, I would never try to operate his reactor without
a microcontroller to at least collect data. This may be why Rossi
is tied to generating steam with his reactor. In this scenario he uses
the thermal parameters of generating water vapor as a process control
setpoint. He may not know how to derive process stability models for
operating the reactor at a selectable temperature without completely
redesigning it each time.

Always needing steam has made his life difficult because calorimetry
works with water, even though there are probably specialized
instrumentsthat can do calorimetry with steam. His solution
is this dual calorimeter loop that uses a heat exchanger to
let him have his steam but do calorimetry with water.

This might also be why the hoped for Defkalion deal
(which he badly needed for technical reasons) fell through,
they would have wanted not only the process but stability
control logic mechanism other then steam. 100Deg C steam
is a limitation for upgraded energy.

:S:MarkSCoffman

WilbyInebriated

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Because of the unique way Rossi has chosen to do this
I think his problem may be that he doesn't understand
"computer process instrumentation and control" very well
if at all. Stuff like "observables, Lagrangian" and other
the neat stuff used to collect data to support a process model.
Of course there is no law against doing things this way.
If he knew at least the basics then he would be able to
apply "self intelligent process controllers" which are able
to  find the stability control laws for a system without human
technical intervention.

For example, I would never try to operate his reactor without
a microcontroller to at least collect data. This may be why Rossi
is tied to generating steam with his reactor. In this scenario he uses
the thermal parameters of generating water vapor as a process control
setpoint. He may not know how to derive process stability models for
operating the reactor at a selectable temperature without completely
redesigning it each time.

Always needing steam has made his life difficult because calorimetry
works with water, even though there are probably specialized
instrumentsthat can do calorimetry with steam. His solution
is this dual calorimeter loop that uses a heat exchanger to
let him have his steam but do calorimetry with water.

This might also be why the hoped for Defkalion deal
(which he badly needed for technical reasons) fell through,
they would have wanted not only the process but stability
control logic mechanism other then steam. 100Deg C steam
is a limitation for upgraded energy.

:S:MarkSCoffman
generating steam for power isn't really "unique"... it's more like the de facto standard

happyfunball

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you talk of farcical and then you direct me to peswiki?  LMFAO!!! that's rich man, thanks for the laugh!

so... you really have nothing to base your argument upon then do you?

Peswiki is an easy source for all the links to the testing of the 'E-Cat,' much as you are an easy source for endless juvenile flaming.

mscoffman

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generating steam for power isn't really "unique"... it's more like the de facto standard

I don't expect steam calorimeters for the energy levels
and non-superheated steam levels he was using are that
common, but if they are, why wouldn't he have had
one? My feeling was that title of video seemed to be he
was showing folks around his laboratory, we technical
people on the other hand were starving for additional
process data (which is indeed his fault), and he has been
caught in a demo lie. Most likely he was preconditioning
the units that were on the bench because I suspect his
reactor requires it. This is why one really would like to
have one successful demo that shows all aspects of
all in one place with the demo unit doing it's own
thing for a timeframe that excludes a chemistry
result. The presenter slicing and dicing demo's
indeed raises doubts.

I am ambivalent but I expect, that we shall see.

:S:MarkSCoffman

WilbyInebriated

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Peswiki is an easy source for all the links to the testing of the 'E-Cat,' much as you are an easy source for endless juvenile flaming.
and nowhere there does it say he "refused"... in point of fact this new trial is to address some of the "issues" that were noted in previous trials... ::)

try a cogent response next time... ::)

happyfunball

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and nowhere there does it say he "refused"... in point of fact this new test is to address some of the "issues" that were noted in previous trials... ::)

try a cogent response next time... ::)

Guess you didn't read the reports about which tests were allowed. I know you're in love with semantics and flaming, so knock yourself out you won't get another response from me.

WilbyInebriated

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Guess you didn't read the reports about which tests were allowed. I know you're in love with semantics and flaming, so knock yourself out you won't get another response from me.
you're the one claiming he "refused"... i am asking you to back up your claim... specifically. i know you're in love with logical fallacies, assumption, speculation and conjecture, so knock yourself out... back up your claim.

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doesn't matter what any of you (and me for that matter) say... actions speak louder than words... its Oct 3 here... 3 more days right? till the device "reaches market" what ever the hell that actually means? what? can i get it on amazon . com on the 6th? is it going to be at Costco on the 6th? is it at the local "markets" what exactly does that mean