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Author Topic: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here  (Read 849351 times)

Poit

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@Chess, I don't know if he has been deleting his own posts or an admin has, but either way, I would suggest to not argue with him.. you are giving him exactly what he wants.... just ignore him.

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@Chess, I don't know if he has been deleting his own posts or an admin has, but either way, I would suggest to not argue with him.. you are giving him exactly what he wants.... just ignore him.

@Poit:
You're right.  I should have ignored him. 

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@Everybody:

Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat technology appear to be gaining traction in the mainstream media.  In addition to FOX, there are others starting to pick up the ball…

“The number of media organisations dipping toes into the eCat story continues to grow. From Fox to MSNBC and the UK’s Daily Mail to Wired UK, Forbes and more.” – LINK http://ecatnews.com/


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Chess

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What Rossi has demonstrated is not new, Ni-H LENR reactions have been known about since the early 90's.

Cold Fusion – The history of research in Italy:
http://www.sede.enea.it/com/ingl/New_ingl/publications/pdf/Cold_Fusion_Italy.pdf

1994 peer reviewed Ni-H paper showing the reaction produced 3 times more energy than could be explained by a chemical reaction:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf

1998 paper which also showed Ni-H LENR heat generation for 289 days:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

In Cold fusion – The history of research in Italy, the researchers add that they observed events of nuclear origins:

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During the experiments, which altogether lasted for about 15 years, many phenomena witnessing nuclear reactions inside Ni samples in H atmosphere were observed. While it was producing energy, the cell which produced 900 MJ emitted neutrons for some days ... equal to 1000 times the neutron flux due to cosmic radiation. ... Other events, whose existence can only be due to nuclear reactions, were observed at the end of the experiments ... We observed in remarkable quantity Cu and Zn (with atomic number greater than Ni), F, Na, Mg, Al, Si, P, S, Cl, K, Ca, Mn, Cr, Fe (Fig. 3).

All that Rossi has done is to raise the public visibility of the already known Ni-H LENR reaction and to make a commercial device that produces enough heat energy to be very useful.

There is however a fraud and / or scam going on here here, that has and is being created by those who attempt to discredit Rossi for their own reasons but in trying to do so they also need to discredit all the other Ni-H researchers and their published results.

chessnyt

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What Rossi has demonstrated is not new, Ni-H LENR reactions have been known about since the early 90's.

Cold Fusion – The history of research in Italy:
http://www.sede.enea.it/com/ingl/New_ingl/publications/pdf/Cold_Fusion_Italy.pdf

1994 peer reviewed Ni-H paper showing the reaction produced 3 times more energy than could be explained by a chemical reaction:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf

1998 paper which also showed Ni-H LENR heat generation for 289 days:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

In Cold fusion – The history of research in Italy, the researchers add that they observed events of nuclear origins:

All that Rossi has done is to raise the public visibility of the already known Ni-H LENR reaction and to make a commercial device that produces enough heat energy to be very useful.

There is however a fraud and / or scam going on here here, that has and is being created by those who attempt to discredit Rossi for their own reasons but in trying to do so they also need to discredit all the other Ni-H researchers and their published results.

YES!  Very true!  As you stated, LENR has been around for quite some time now and is nothing new.  Right again you are about Rossi selling a device that uses the technology (LENR) to clearly show what others have known all along.

The only thing you left out was the fact that ALL prior published results of LENR (that showed excess heat) admittedly stated that researchers could not do so consistently (4 out of 10 experiments, some even less).  This would explain why no other scientist(s) are anywhere near the stage of releasing their findings via a commercially marketed product. 

So what is different between Rossi's LENR process and his predecessors' LENR process is that Rossi is able to get a positive result (excess heat) every time (100% of the time). 


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Chess 

IronShell3d

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The only thing you left out was the fact that ALL prior published results of LENR (that showed excess heat) admittedly stated that researchers could not do so consistently (4 out of 10 experiments, some even less).  This would explain why no other scientist(s) are anywhere near the stage of releasing their findings via a commercially marketed product.

The 1998 paper showed they had a sustained long term Ni-H reaction that lasted for 289 days. Ni-H seems to be much more reliable than other LENR reactions and from my research of the available data was always reliable. Probably why Rossi decided to build his E-Cat based on Ni-H LENR reactions.

Miley is also reporting a Ni-H LENR system with 300 watts sustained output. Results to be published soon.

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The 1998 paper showed they had a sustained long term Ni-H reaction that lasted for 289 days. Ni-H seems to be much more reliable than other LENR reactions and from my research of the available data was always reliable. Probably why Rossi decided to build his E-Cat based on Ni-H LENR reactions.

Miley is also reporting a Ni-H LENR system with 300 watts sustained output. Results to be published soon.

Now I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he (Rossi) has perfected the technology but I would definitely go on the record to state that he has significantly improved upon it.

If the researcher you have highlighted for a reaction that has lasted 289 days is for real, I can not help but wonder why he has not either:

   A. Developed a marketable device based on his experiment's protocol.
or
   B. Invited independent renowned scientists to confirm/verify his results. 

Whatever the case may be, it appears that he still has time to compete commercially with Rossi if he indeed has achieved what is claimed.  I would love to see competition arise out of this technology in the market place.  I will keep an eye out for other devices that are commercially available that rival that of Rossi's.


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Chess


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Whatever the case may be, it appears that he still has time to compete commercially with Rossi if he indeed has achieved what is claimed.

The lead author in the 1998 paper, FOCARDI, has worked with Rossi for quite some time now.

chessnyt

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The lead author in the 1998 paper, FOCARDI, has worked with Rossi for quite some time now.

I was not aware of the 1998 paper but I do recall reading where Focardi worked extensively with Rossi in the past.  I believe you about the '98 paper.


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I was not aware of the 1998 paper but I do recall reading where Focardi worked extensively with Rossi in the past.  I believe you about the '98 paper.

1994 peer review paper here (Forcardi lead author):
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf

1998 paper here (Forcardi lead author):
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

2008 History of Cold Fusion in Italy report here:
http://www.sede.enea.it/com/ingl/New_ingl/publications/pdf/Cold_Fusion_Italy.pdf

This ties it all together:
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=61

Dr. Focardi opened the door and Dr. Rossi made it a commercial product. They are a team.

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1994 peer review paper here (Forcardi lead author):
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf

1998 paper here (Forcardi lead author):
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

2008 History of Cold Fusion in Italy report here:
http://www.sede.enea.it/com/ingl/New_ingl/publications/pdf/Cold_Fusion_Italy.pdf

This ties it all together:
http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=61

Dr. Focardi opened the door and Dr. Rossi made it a commercial product. They are a team.

Thank you for presenting this information in this thread for everyone to review.  I am currently (in between replies to you) still reading the .PDF November 1998 paper you brought to my attention (which is a 10 page paper).


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Chess

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In the 1998 paper I liked how they increased the applied power, once the cell was shut down after 289 days of continuous operation, so as to match the same output temperature they measured with the cell in operation.

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Before the shut-down, this cell was working with an input power of 94.3 W and the
sample temperature TPt of 429.7 K above T0. Moreover as a further proof of an extra
power in the nickel rod we performed the following measurement: after the shut-down
the same working temperature was obtained by supplying 166.3W.

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In the 1998 paper I liked how they increased the applied power, once the cell was shut down after 289 days of continuous operation, so as to match the same output temperature they measured with the cell in operation.

They documented energy gains of 600 and 900mj (respectively) which is quite impressive (as this was a two cell test).


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They documented energy gains of 600 and 900mj (respectively) which is quite impressive (as this was a two cell test)

This was what Focardi achieved in 1998. Now 13 years later and after working with Rossi since 2004, I think I read, together they have delivered commercial ready LENR and LENR that can run with NO applied power for a infinite COP.

I'm so very glad to be alive to see this happen as now I know my children and their children's children will live in a much better world than I did. They will look back and thank Focardi and Rossi for what they did in the early years of the 21st century.