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Author Topic: FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here  (Read 855522 times)

onthecuttingedge2005

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@Jerry:
I hope you are not implying that I can power my house with an atomic bomb.  It has to be practical over unity with no radioactive waste to dispose of.


Chess

well, actually, if you are on that special power grid, a controlled nuclear reaction could be powering your house.

not to say it is or that you'd approve.

in all applicable energy conversion theories there is a waste, like in Anti-matter to matter reaction, there are Gamma -Rays and Neutrinos.

but to be a Godly race, you have to increase that factor trillions fold. this is where a rip in space time and dimension make make it possible to own the power of a Universe and control it.

just a theory but some of the greatest minds support this idea.

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If Rossi's home type unit can produce hot enough water then I'll be some inventive types like us can get it to produce electricity.  ;)   If it can be turned up enough to produce steam the rest is fairly easy.  Add steam turbine plus generator = Electricity  :D

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If Rossi's home type unit can produce hot enough water then I'll be some inventive types like us can get it to produce electricity.  ;)   If it can be turned up enough to produce steam the rest is fairly easy.  Add steam turbine plus generator = Electricity  :D

Also, his home unit could be used in conjunction with a radiator to heat an entire home ;)

onthecuttingedge2005

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Also, his home unit could be used in conjunction with a radiator to heat an entire home ;)

someone with a greater mind will overcome you, don't think penny Anni energy, think big. Rossi's idea is going to plop not pop. in fact, more like a fizzle.

third element? what would this be? I only have 2 years of college chemistry, I'd be interested into this further or do you have any methodology behind Rossi's third element?

i can verify rossi's third element if I knew what that element was? if it is verifiable then I will support this group.

until then, I wish you luck, you'll need it.

and don't mind the gaping hole in your side if you are are wrong. I know you will be prompt on being wrong, again.

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@Mr. Coffman:
In an earlier posting of yours, you tried to compare Rossi’s device with a heat pump. This is absolutely preposterous!  Heat pumps have been around for quite some time and if they could equal the performance of the E-Cat in self-sustain mode, then they would be used by the public right now to power their homes.  Now if a heat pump is running your house, right now, then I will apologize for taking your last post in a negative way. 


Regards,

Chess

Rossi self sustained mode was more of a rumor
until it was first demonstrated on Oct 6. My
calculations on competitiveness with the heat
pumps were done prior to that with figures from
prior demonstrations.

If subtracting input power from a low COP 2-4
gain device decreases it's output power the
way models say, then one would need to derate
the reactor output which would affect it's
net production value downward in self-sustain
mode.

Secondly, we don't know what Rossi wants
to charge for the 1MW reactor but I saw
something about $40M, which is about $1M
per module.

I was simply pointing out that he doesn't
necessarily have the flexiblity that he thinks
he has and I question whether now is the
right time for Rossi to "bet the house" as
it were. If he runs out of money one
possibility is that he sells out and puts
this technology firmly on-the-self.

No question, Rossi can keep changing things
until it does what no heat pump can do.
But self sustained mode should decrease
total output by the amount of input if no
power is stored in the device This would
limit its net value again.

These low high-temp-reservoir temperature
devices like both heatpumps and the current
Rossi reactor (ie. non-superheated steam) don't
suit well for an upgraded electrical power
generator. I'd much rather see Rossi working
on increasing the reactor's high temperature
head while he leaves an organization to specify
and build his products.   

And yes, the place where I reside use heatpumps
for heating, as they seem particularly popular around
here.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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someone with a greater mind will overcome you, don't think penny Anni energy, think big. Rossi's idea is going to plop not pop. in fact, more like a fizzle.

third element? what would this be? I only have 2 years of college chemistry, I'd be interested into this further or do you have any methodology behind Rossi's third element?

i can verify rossi's third element if I knew what that element was? if it is verifiable then I will support this group.

until then, I wish you luck, you'll need it.

and don't mind the gaping hole in your side if you are are wrong. I know you will be prompt on being wrong, again.
for a guy who is talking about not liking morons and retards over in the economic disaster thread and only liking smart people, you must hate looking in the mirror every morning...

it's penny ante... as in the ante for a game of cards...  tu stultus es.


edit: where are all the skeptics(believers) like happyfunball? must have a mouth full of crow or something.... ;)

chessnyt

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...These low high-temp-reservoir temperature
devices like both heatpumps and the current
Rossi reactor (ie. non-superheated steam) don't
suit well for an upgraded electrical power
generator. I'd much rather see Rossi working
on increasing the reactor's high temperature
head while he leaves an organization to specify
and build his products.   

And yes, the place where I reside use heatpumps
for heating, as they seem particularly popular around
here.

:S:MarkSCoffman

@Mr. Coffman:
I never said heat pumps weren’t used to change the air temperature in a home.  I just guessed that you were not running your home on one (and off the grid). 

I would much rather see something even more enticing.  Yes, I too would like to see the home unit put out superheated steam complete with a unit to dry the steam so it can be used to drive a steam turbine (they are destroyed when exposed to wet steam) which in turn drives an electric generator.  But that’s not going to happen.  In a perfect world, maybe.

So I am going to settle for the model he is willing to put on the market (providing I can afford it).  This is still history in the making.  BIG HISTORY.


Regards,

Chess

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@Everyone:
It appears that the deal with Rossi's first customer is being worked out after all.  The following quote is from an article appearing yesterday at PESN.COM.

http://pesn.com/2011/10/15/9501934_Cheap_power--An_overnight_revolution--commentary/

"Hopefully this will be the beginning (after the Oct. 28 private test by the first 1 MW customer, which I will be attending) of a favorable barrage, long overdue coverage by the mainstream press and blogs."

Also, here's an excellent article on the E-Cat and its possible impact on the world:

http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html

I find one statement from the article very interesting.  The following quote from the article is an explanation in detail as to why Rossi's deal with his first customer (here in the U.S.) almost fell through:

"One thing that will slow down the adoption of cold fusion technology is its "nuclear" component that governments and bureaucrats are likely to resist, blocking shipments of components and finished units over unwarranted fears of anything "nuclear". Already, this has impeded this technology that was supposed to have been demonstrated in the United States, were it not for regulation issues in shipping it here."


Regards,

Chess
« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 05:52:52 AM by chessnyt »

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@Everyone:
It appears that the deal with Rossi's first customer is being worked out after all.  The following quote is from an article appearing yesterday at PESN.COM.

http://pesn.com/2011/10/15/9501934_Cheap_power--An_overnight_revolution--commentary/

"Hopefully this will be the beginning (after the Oct. 28 private test by the first 1 MW customer, which I will be attending) of a favorable barrage, long overdue coverage by the mainstream press and blogs."

Also, here's an excellent article on the E-Cat and its possible impact on the world:

http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html

I find one statement from the article very interesting.  The following quote from the article is an explanation in detail as to why Rossi's deal with his first customer (here in the U.S.) almost fell through:

"One thing that will slow down the adoption of cold fusion technology is its "nuclear" component that governments and bureaucrats are likely to resist, blocking shipments of components and finished units over unwarranted fears of anything "nuclear". Already, this has impeded this technology that was supposed to have been demonstrated in the United States, were it not for regulation issues in shipping it here."


Regards,

Chess

I hope it will seriously impact on the Big Energy Companies,It seems to me that
A Energy Revolution is going Hand In Hand with The Global Revolution World Wide.

Regards Dave

chessnyt

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I hope it will seriously impact on the Big Energy Companies,It seems to me that
A Energy Revolution is going Hand In Hand with The Global Revolution World Wide.

Regards Dave

@Dave:
I hope so too because we have been held hostage ever since the Bush administration illegally and secretively allowed the major American oil companies to merge back together creating a huge monopoly.  That is why gasoline prices have skyrocketed from $1.50 a gallon when Bush Jr. first took office to over $5.00 a gallon as he was on his way out.  They gouged the HELL out of Americans.  They still are gouging the HELL out of us all today.  That is what monopolies do.

The Sherman Act is what is supposed to protect us from monopolists like the giant oil cartels.  It was the Sherman Act which forced the breakup of John D. Rockefeller’s oil monopoly in his day with his company named Standard Oil.  The Sherman Act also allowed us to break up other corporate monopolies too, such as the telecommunications monopoly called AT&T. 

This is what happens when the corporate interests get their hands on the political machine.  They install political leaders which do their bidding for them and to hell with the rest of us.  That’s why the economy tanked on us in the first place.  While millions of Americans were losing their homes to foreclosure after getting laid off, the oil companies were turning in record profits.  Billions upon billions of dollars every three months (business cycle quarter).

People had no idea why Bush picked Condoleezza Rice for his cabinet but I did.  It wasn’t because of her political experience.  It was because of her oil expertise as she sat on the board of directors for a company called Chevron for 10 years prior to going to the White House.  Chevron was so pleased with her agenda, they even named a super tanker after her.  That is until the media got wind of the story and Chevron quitely renamed the supertanker.   

So it is also my hope, Dave, that Rossi’s technology will completely and unmercifully destroy the entire oil industry for starters and replace the other energy empires simultaneously. 


Best Regards,

Chess
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 03:35:07 AM by chessnyt »

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Chess, I don't want to sound like a Moron, but....

Such a concept, as in destroying the greatest economical power on the planet, is the perfect recipe for war.  Please accept that, as that is the truth.

Such a change, if it is to be, must be spread out over a decade or two to prevent collapse of the existing worldwide economy/infrastructure.  This would be the desired outcome of the "Oil economy controllers".  I don't feel comfortable in explaining it better, or using names to identify specific players.

I hate to say the above things, but reality does, sometimes slap us in the face.  Let us "Hope" that the tech is real, but too expensive initially, so that it can take over slowly.  (Even if it isn't, if you understand my meaning...)

Just a thought to ponder, for those involved in the reality of changing the worlds power base.  (Political or energy, as they ARE related...)

@Loner:
Although I respect you as an extreemely talented alternative energy researcher and your opinion as well,  I disagree with you here, Loner. 

I think the recipe for war (like the war the oil cartels want to wage in Iran) is basically an overwhelming desire for a resource that leads greedy men to murder the rightful owners in order to have it all.  Only they don't do the fighting.  My kids and your kids get to do the dieing while the cowardly oil cartels get to make all the profits.  They don't even have to pay either financially or personally for the wars they get our military to wage.  That's where you and I come in.  The wealthy 1% gets the 99% to throw their kids in the dog fight to be maimed and killed while they count our money they have collected from us by gouging us and avoiding paying their fair share of the taxes.

And if this continues to be the case, this recipe will end up fully cooked by the angry 99%.


Respectfully,

Chess

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Hi folks, I'll put it as simply as is possible.

What you focus on, you empower to create.

peace love light

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@Dave:
I hope so too because we have been held hostage ever since the Bush administration illegally and secretively allowed the major American oil companies to merge back together creating a huge monopoly.  That is why gasoline prices have skyrocketed from $1.50 a gallon when Bush Jr. first took office to over $5.00 a gallon as he was on his way out.  They gouged the HELL out of Americans.  They still are gouging the HELL out of us all today.  That is what monopolies do.

The Sherman Act is what is supposed to protect us from monopolists like the giant oil cartels.  It was the Sherman Act which forced the breakup of John D. Rockefeller’s oil monopoly in his day with his company named Standard Oil.  The Sherman Act also allowed us to break up other corporate monopolies too, such as the telecommunications monopoly called AT&T. 

This is what happens when the corporate interests get their hands on the political machine.  They install political leaders which do their bidding for them and to hell with the rest of us.  That’s why the economy tanked on us in the first place.  While millions of Americans were losing their homes to foreclosure after getting laid off, the oil companies were turning in record profits.  Billions upon billions of dollars every three months (business cycle quarter).

People had no idea why Bush picked Condoleezza Rice for his cabinet but I did.  It wasn’t because of her political experience.  It was because of her oil expertise as she sat on the board of directors for a company called Chevron for 10 years prior to going to the White House.  Chevron was so pleased with her agenda, they even named a super tanker after her.  That is until the media got wind of the story and Chevron quitely renamed the supertanker.   

So it is also my hope, Dave, that Rossi’s technology will completely and unmercifully destroy the entire oil industry for starters and replace the other energy empires simultaneously. 


Best Regards,

Chess

Chess,
I am totally with you on this one!
The Rossi device will create a huge boom in the job market as his device takes over EVERYTHING except for plastics , fertilizer and lubrication.
So they can still make a good living, they just need to sell a few of those extra homes on the lake they own.


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...destroying the greatest economical power on the planet, is the perfect recipe for war.  Please accept that, as that is the truth.

Leaving this bully to dominate our political system and its constituents is even a greater recipe for perpetual war against additional foreign countries containing vast amounts of crude oil.  This is also a recipe for the never ending deaths of our nation’s youth who end up fighting and dieing over this corporate black gold. 

“Do you think that someone who has the ability to stay in power would not use EVERY possible means necessary to stay that way, including mass genocide?” -- Loner

The threat of retaliation is always a possibility when one stands up against a bully.  Allowing a bully to reign only gives him the ability to do more damage and injure additional victims.
 
It’s what our forefathers had to grapple with as they dumped all that tea into the Boston harbor. 

It’s what every judge has to contemplate every time he sentences a powerful mafia member to prison. 

It’s what every law enforcement officer has to wrestle with (at one time or another) when he arrests any ruthless and violent criminal.

It’s what the people of Egypt had to deal with when they rose up against their own military and government. 

Freedom is a very dangerous thing (holding on to it, that is).  There are many evil people who are willing to try to take it away from us.  And not all of them attempt to remove our freedom in obvious ways.  Some attempt to accomplish this very subtlely and slowly over time in order to avoid detection. 

Freedom’s enemies are not only confined to foreign terrorists and communist dictators.  Our enemy is anyone or entity that attempts to eliminate it from our nation.  This would also include all domestic enemies such as organized criminals, corrupt politicians and unethical corporate interests whether they be oil company owners or central bankers.  Freedom is not free.  It comes with a price attached.  Maintaining our freedom is no exception.


Chess

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Sadly, long before oil, or even coal, had any major economic implications (beneficial or otherwise) for the
human race, wars have been waged.

Even sadder, is the fact that they always will.

Megalomaniacs will always find a way to dupe the masses for the advancement of their own agendas.

And the masses will always find a way to rationalize their own complicity. God is on our side, the bible or koran
(or any other book) told us this is what we should do, you're ruining this, our way is the right way,
your ways are evil, we're good patriots, our freedom is true freedom while yours is not,  etc... etc...