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gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #930 on: April 07, 2013, 11:13:59 PM »
Hi everyone,

looks like Zero Fossil Fuel is not happy with Skycollection and he doesn't even know how Gorge treated me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afibimYBG6c

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #931 on: April 08, 2013, 04:55:40 PM »
Hi all,
 
After noting that Skycollection had deleted all his youtube videos I searched into Youtube and I could find one of his videos saved and posted by another user
 
You can watch in this video that only some kind of coils are able to eliminate the Lenz effect:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYH9HCtN6w
 
What features did you think that this coil could have?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #932 on: April 08, 2013, 09:16:54 PM »
Concerning Skycollection and his refusal to share his discovery:

1.) My impression is that he is a deluded old man who certainly can build nice machines but he does not understand electricity. He never does conclusive input and output measurements. Nevertheless his coil (with a may be zero Lenz effect) is interesting but there are not many possible variations and all can be tested without his help. In addition others have gotten these ideas long before Skycollection.

2.) Many people are upset, because he does not want to share his self proclaimed discoveries or inventions. What gets me is, that according to my opinion, the majority of these upset people are at the same time convinced that capitalism is a good thing and that communism (the idea of sharing everything) is a very bad thing.

Skycollection and his behaviour are very consistent with capitalism. Everybody tries to outsmart everybody else (this is called competition) and tries to get as much money as he can (it is called good business). Well, if one believes in that mindset, one has to do exactly as Skycollection does. He thinks he is on to something, so he tries to make money from it in contrast to handing it out for free to everybody (who in turn would try to make money disregarding Skycollection). According to capitalistic doctrine he tries to protect his "invention" (in whatever stupid way).

I am not a capitalist and I believe in sharing. And I get upset when people who believe in capitalism talk about sharing. And of course it is always the others who should share and never the capitalists who demands sharing.

So, good people, make up your minds: is it "sharing" or "competition for gain" what you want?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #933 on: April 08, 2013, 09:32:37 PM »
Hi all,
 
You can watch in this video that only some kind of coils are able to eliminate the Lenz effect:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYH9HCtN6w
 
What features did you think that this coil could have?

@hanon:

I will test various combinations of bifilar pancake coils.

a) several bifilar pancake coils stacked and connected in parallel or in series

b) several bifilar pancake coils stacked, but every other is wound in the opposite direction and connected in parallel or in series

c) like a) or like b) but the coils become progressively smaller or bigger

To say it in a simpler way:

I will wind many bifilar pancake coils and will try them in many variations.

At the moment I am building a spinner with a diametrically magnetised ring magnet which should spin at about 15.000 rpm with a modest power demand (hopefully less than 1 Watt).

Attached is the circuit I am testing (not finished yet, attention, might not work) and the set up (still without the two Hall sensors).

One could have used a full bridge motor driver like the L6201 or the L293, but they require some more components around them to function. Therefore I try my hand at a simpler full bridge driver controlled by two Hall sensors. It is something like a brushless commutator.

The Bedini type one transistor drivers are not optimal for N S N S rotors.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #934 on: April 08, 2013, 11:10:13 PM »
@Conradelectro,
 
 
"The Bedini type one transistor drivers are not optimal for N S N S rotors"
 
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Have you ever tried one? I have great results from Bedini's bifilar SSG with N S N S diametric tubes and spheres. Really makes the r.p.m.'s soar!

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #935 on: April 09, 2013, 01:35:09 PM »

"The Bedini type one transistor drivers are not optimal for N S N S rotors"
 
Have you ever tried one? I have great results from Bedini's bifilar SSG with N S N S diametric tubes and spheres. Really makes the r.p.m.'s soar!

@synchro1: I played a lot with "Bedini type" and "one transistor type" drivers for N N N N or S S S S rotors.

Specially a "bifilar coil Bedini type" circuit uses a lot of power (for the rather small torque it produces). I could build a low power driver for a N N N N or S S S S type rotor which uses a trigger coil, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEEjlYvZ5OM.

Since I do not believe that a N S N S rotor will lower the power requirement of a "Bedini type driver (bifilar coil)" I try to find a better driver (like the commutating driver I showed in my post above).

I have also seen on YouTube that many drivers (mostly Bedini type drivers) used for spinning diametric ring or tube magnets seem to use many Watts (4 to 8 Watts, or even more). This also makes me look for alternatives.

The most straight forward improvement for a N S N S rotor seems to be a circuit that commutates the drive coil (which sends the current through the coil in an alternating fashion, i.e. a full transistor H-bridge).

Have you carefully measured the power draw of your circuit (which spins your tube magnet and produces such great results)?

The first requirement for a self-runner (if that is possible) is a low power consumption, because one will not have to recover that much energy with a special coil (if it exists). And it is much easier to see a braking or speed up effect in a rotor which is driven with low power. With 4 to 8 Watts one can spin almost everything at high speed, it is an overkill.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #936 on: April 09, 2013, 03:20:35 PM »
@synchro1: I played a lot with "Bedini type" and "one transistor type" drivers for N N N N or S S S S rotors.

Specially a "bifilar coil Bedini type" circuit uses a lot of power (for the rather small torque it produces). I could build a low power driver for a N N N N or S S S S type rotor which uses a trigger coil, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEEjlYvZ5OM.

Since I do not believe that a N S N S rotor will lower the power requirement of a "Bedini type driver (bifilar coil)" I try to find a better driver (like the commutating driver I showed in my post above).

I have also seen on YouTube that many drivers (mostly Bedini type drivers) used for spinning diametric ring or tube magnets seem to use many Watts (4 to 8 Watts, or even more). This also makes me look for alternatives.

The most straight forward improvement for a N S N S rotor seems to be a circuit that commutates the drive coil (which sends the current through the coil in an alternating fashion, i.e. a full transistor H-bridge).

Have you carefully measured the power draw of your circuit (which spins your tube magnet and produces such great results)?

The first requirement for a self-runner (if that is possible) is a low power consumption, because one will not have to recover that much energy with a special coil (if it exists). And it is much easier to see a braking or speed up effect in a rotor which is driven with low power. With 4 to 8 Watts one can spin almost everything at high speed, it is an overkill.

Greetings, Conrad

I run 12v solinoid inductor between the potentiometer and circuit. This reduces input down to the millivolt range by modifing the pulse width.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #937 on: April 09, 2013, 04:31:09 PM »
Some interesting findings done by Tesla:
 
 "I had discovered, however, that rotation is produced by means of a single coil and core; my explanation of the phenomenon, and leading thought in trying the experiment, being that there must be a true time lag in the magnetization of the core. I remember the pleasure I had when, in the writings of Professor Ayrton, which came later to my hand, I found the idea of the time lag advocated.  Whether there is a true time lag, whether the retardation is due to eddy currents circulating in minute paths, must remain an open question, but the fact is that a coil wound upon an iron core and traversed by an alternating current creates a moving field of force, capable of setting an armature in rotation.  It is of some interest, in conjunction with the historical Arago experiment, to mention that in lag or phase motors I have produced rotation in the opposite direction to the moving field, which means that in that experiment the magnet may not rotate, or may even rotate in the opposite direction to the moving disc.  Here, then, is a motor (diagrammatically illustrated in Fig. 17), comprising a coil and iron core, and a freely movable copper disc in proximity to the latter. To demonstrate a novel and interesting feature, I have, for a reason which I will explain, selected this type of motor. When the ends of the coil are connected to the terminals of an alternator the disc is set in rotation.  But it is not this experiment, now well known, which I desire to perform.  What I wish to show you is that this motor rotates with one single connection between it and the generator; that is to say, one terminal of the motor is connected to one terminal of the generator—in this case the secondary of a high-tension induction coil—the other terminals of motor and generator being insulated in space."

See Fig.17: http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/lectures/1892-02-03/017.gif

I recommend to read the previous and next paragraphs...Three paragrahs ahead Tesla states the well know quotation: " Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe"
 
 Source: Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency; Lecture delivered before the I.E.E., London, February, 1892
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED ON TESLA MOTOR READ THIS DOCUMENT
http://www.archive.org/stream/inventionsresear00martiala#page/67/mode/1up

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #938 on: April 09, 2013, 04:44:11 PM »
@wings:

Can you deduct anything from Tesla's writings (e.g. from the ones you cited) that helps me to drive the ring magnet as depicted in my Reply #933 (just a few posts above) in a very efficient way?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #939 on: April 09, 2013, 05:06:08 PM »
Zerofossilfuel reports positive results from a "Pancake Quadfilar":
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oPAH8N4kaY&feature=em-subs_digest
 
My "Spiral Quadfilar" shares comparisons.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #940 on: April 10, 2013, 05:43:02 AM »
totoalas lenze (less???) motor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyVa57cVZRE
 8)   Shorting the third coil with cap increased the output voltage from 3 to 9 v ac and at the same time increase the speed at a constant voltage output
This voltage can
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wings

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #941 on: April 10, 2013, 07:51:51 AM »
@wings:

Can you deduct anything from Tesla's writings (e.g. from the ones you cited) that helps me to drive the ring magnet as depicted in my Reply #933 (just a few posts above) in a very efficient way?

Greetings, Conrad
Tesla .... too much to read and understand a genius!!! 
"magnetic aftereffects" The two main sources of magnetic lag are discussed: lag due to eddy currents, and the so-called
magnetic "after-effect" (Nachwirkung), which is material dependent.
Apart from the contribution to the lag due to eddy currents discussed in
Section 4.1, additional delayed effects have a metallurgical origin (impurities such as C and N in Fe,
dislocations, etc.) and are mainly due to a time-dependent microstructural redistribution associated
with strain induced by magnetostrictive effects. (see http://arxiv.org/pdf/1103.1069.pdf)
..... other interesting material "wiegand wire"?
all is related to d⨕/dt and magnetic retard 
some suggestion on general experimental motor construction here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-ZhwhPCFOA0

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #942 on: April 10, 2013, 09:47:36 AM »
Tesla .... too much to read and understand a genius!!! 
"magnetic aftereffects" The two main sources of magnetic lag are discussed: lag due to eddy currents, and the so-called
magnetic "after-effect" (Nachwirkung), which is material dependent.
Apart from the contribution to the lag due to eddy currents discussed in
Section 4.1, additional delayed effects have a metallurgical origin (impurities such as C and N in Fe,
dislocations, etc.) and are mainly due to a time-dependent microstructural redistribution associated
with strain induced by magnetostrictive effects. (see http://arxiv.org/pdf/1103.1069.pdf)
..... other interesting material "wiegand wire"?
all is related to d⨕/dt and magnetic retard 
some suggestion on general experimental motor construction here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-ZhwhPCFOA0

Adams motor time lag effect
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/
page 11
Or "why acceleration occurs when a passive generating output coil in an open magnetic system is short circuited or placed under a higher than nominal load".

conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #943 on: April 10, 2013, 12:32:21 PM »
Adams motor time lag effect
http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/
page 11
Or "why acceleration occurs when a passive generating output coil in an open magnetic system is short circuited or placed under a higher than nominal load".

It is interesting how people rediscover the same effect over and over again and always it gets a new name and a bunch of new "inventors".

Nevertheless, it is an interesting effect. With the right generator coil (some combination of pancake coils) and the right turn rate of the rotor one can may be reach something close to a 100% efficiency with a dynamo.

Greetings, Conrad

wings

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #944 on: April 10, 2013, 06:31:23 PM »
It is interesting how people rediscover the same effect over and over again and always it gets a new name and a bunch of new "inventors".

Nevertheless, it is an interesting effect. With the right generator coil (some combination of pancake coils) and the right turn rate of the rotor one can may be reach something close to a 100% efficiency with a dynamo.

Greetings, Conrad
It is interesting how people rediscover the same effect over and over again and always it gets a new name and a bunch of new "inventors".

Nevertheless, it is an interesting effect. With the right generator coil (some combination of pancake coils) and the right turn rate of the rotor one can may be reach something close to a 100% efficiency with a dynamo.

Greetings, Conrad
hidden diode ???  ?
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