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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 870087 times)

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #705 on: March 19, 2013, 04:26:38 PM »

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #706 on: March 19, 2013, 04:29:29 PM »
@synchro1: Just for the dumb ones like me.

I attach a picture of a "diametric polarized ring magnet". Is that what you talk about?

http://www.magnet-shop.net/Neodym-Magnete/Ringmagnete/Ringmagnet-200-x-40-x-70-mm-N35-Nickel-DIAMETRAL::1568.html

Greetings, Conrad

Yes! The PM fields are pushed and pulled over the copper windings by the AC rotor. At the same time, this undulating field delays the induced magnet coil pole shift and inversely generates a propulsive pulse. This acts just like six panckaes in parallel. Combined with the Magnacoaster output, this type of output coil is OU beyound delay threshold r.p.m. Too simple to patent.

DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #707 on: March 19, 2013, 04:29:38 PM »
Hi DeepCut,

Thank you for the useful programs. :)

There is another language called Processing which is open source. It can handle 2D/3D graphics and gui input.

It works on Linux, Win and Mac. Programs can also be exported to Android OS with Android SDK for tablets or phones.

http://processing.org/

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #708 on: March 19, 2013, 04:42:32 PM »
Hi DTB, long time no speak :)

I've never used processing, but that's what my arduino's language is based on i think ?

I think you've advised me in the past to check it out, i'll have a look :)

How are things with you, what are you dreaming/thinking/building ?


All the best,

DC.


DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect SORRY LUC !
« Reply #709 on: March 19, 2013, 06:42:11 PM »
Hi everyone,

a warning to everyone. I contacted skycollection around 2 months ago when he started experimenting with bi-filar pancake coils as generator coils. At that time he did not have the delayed Lenz effect.  Some of you may know that I worked with Thane Heins.
I thought skycollection high rpm magnetic bearing motor would be able to demonstrate a good effect so I freely shared how to connect the many layers of bi-filar pancake coils in a way to raise the self capacitance. We exchanged many emails.

To make a long story short, about a week after our exchange he got the effect, so I made some more suggestions and he replied this was all his own ideas. That's when I realized this guy is in it for himself. Notice he does not show how to builds anything.

Just thought I would share that

Luc

I'm sorry for completely getting the context wrong and being rude !


Apologies,

DC.

conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #710 on: March 19, 2013, 07:18:07 PM »
The Magnacoaster effect generates the power, not a free spinning magnet. The Magnet should be stationary! Low threshold Lenz free r.p.m.

@synchro: Again for the stupid ones like me.

How do you want the magnet inside the bifilar coil? Please see my drawing. Type A or Type B or am I completely wrong?

You say "the magnet should be stationary". Does it mean, the ring magnet is fixed inside the bifilar coil like a core?

Greetings, Conrad

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #711 on: March 19, 2013, 07:43:30 PM »
@synchro: Again for the stupid ones like me.

How do you want the magnet inside the bifilar coil? Please see my drawing. Type A or Type B or am I completely wrong?

You say "the magnet should be stationary". Does it mean, the ring magnet is fixed inside the bifilar coil like a core?

Greetings, Conrad

Type "A'. A snug fit is best. It's O.K to wedge something in there, like a flat toothpick.

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #712 on: March 19, 2013, 07:44:04 PM »
Your picture A is the correct one.

Asking questions isn't dumb :)


atb,

DC.


synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #713 on: March 19, 2013, 07:49:57 PM »
The PM fields are at right angles to the wire coil's axial poles. The Magnetic Interferance is strong enough to delay the rotor induced pole shift in the spindle coil. This is above the delay threshold r.p.m's, nothing for a bearingless spinner. Multiple magnets can gain with a really good bearing like the VCR type, but it requires a feat of engineering to balance.

conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #714 on: March 19, 2013, 08:06:41 PM »
@synchro1 and DeepCut: thank you for the answers, that clarified a lot.

A attached a picture taken from the latest video of skycollection with two questions.

What do you think?

Are the magnets in skycollection's rotor S N S N  or S S S S or N N N N ? Does it matter?

Using synchro1's (I called them Type A) coils instead of skycollection's coils? Would it work?

Greetings, Conrad

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #715 on: March 19, 2013, 08:18:34 PM »
@synchro1 and DeepCut: thank you for the answers, that clarified a lot.

A attached a picture taken from the latest video of skycollection with two questions.

What do you think?

Are the magnets in skycollection's rotor S N S N  or S S S S or N N N N ? Does it matter?

Using synchro1's (I called them Type A) coils instead of skycollection's coils? Would it work?

Greetings, Conrad
 

The idea is to multiply the alternations per second. Makes no sense to double up on pole orientation. JLN's is NSNS

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #716 on: March 19, 2013, 08:32:28 PM »
Your magnet orientation is dependent upon how you drive the rotor and what you want to get out of it.

If you are driving your rotor with induction, as in the Adams motor or Bedini's SSG, you want all the same poles facing the coils, because the driving coil can only pulse N or S, depending how it is wound.

For power generation, N/S is better because you get a larger min/max voltage, but this works best if you are driving your rotor with a DC motor or some other, non-inductive, driver.

You also have to think about what is happening when a magnet is entering/exiting a coil (moving close toward or moving away from).

As the magnet enters the coil, depending on coil winding and magnet face, let's say we create a North pole in the coil. Then, as the magnet exits, it creates the opposite pole (in this case South) because it is going from the inside to the outside of the coil rather than the outside to the inside, so it's cutting the coil in a different direction, thereby reversing the polarity.

So, for good output power on a multi-magnet rotor, you want to have one magnet entering the coil as the magnet ahead of it is starting to move away from the centre of the coil.

Having said all that, i do remember in one of my old setups, the AUL effect seemed to be stronger when the magnets were close together and creating (i would have thought) opposing poles in the coil at the same time.

This may be due to the same principle that synchro describes when using a diametric magnet as the core.

But we're in unknown territory so odd things happen.

In my first succesful AUL setup, at certain frequencies, having shorted the coil and got acceleration, i would then unshort the coil and the rotor stayed at the accelerated speed ! I am still unsure as to why this happened and so are people i have asked who know a lot more than i do.

Can you describe and/or do you have a picture of your setup ?

I'm about to watch a video but i will be back on in about an hour.


All the best,

DC.



conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #717 on: March 19, 2013, 09:14:09 PM »
Can you describe and/or do you have a picture of your setup ?

All the best,

DC.

Some time ago I built a fairly efficient pulse motor. See the attached pictures.

I might build a bigger version (larger disk) which would allow me to place up to four (or even more) of synchro1's generator coils around the rotor (disk with the magnets)  in addition to the drive coils and the sensor coils.

In my design the magnets had all the same orientation.

I used two pairs of drive coils and one pair of sensor coils. The sensor coils were the best option for controlling the pulses. In my case better than a hall sensor (which needs power, whereas the sensor coils generate the small power for the control signal). A reed switch is too slow and too unreliable for high speed turning.

The type of rotor I built allows for coil pairs (future generator coils, two drive coils and sensor coil all come in pairs), which according to my opinion is more efficient than single coils because both sides of the magnets (in the rotor) are utilized.

Greetings, Conrad

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #718 on: March 19, 2013, 09:34:43 PM »
Some time ago I built a fairly efficient pulse motor. See the attached pictures.

I might build a bigger version (larger disk) which would allow me to place up to four (or even more) of synchro1's generator coils around the rotor (disk with the magnets)  in addition to the drive coils and the sensor coils.

In my design the magnets had all the same orientation.

I used two pairs of drive coils and one pair of sensor coils. The sensor coils were the best option for controlling the pulses. In my case better than a hall sensor (which needs power, whereas the sensor coils generate the small power for the control signal). A reed switch is too slow and too unreliable for high speed turning.
 
The type of rotor I built allows for coil pairs (future generator coils, two drive coils and sensor coil all come in pairs), which according to my opinion is more efficient than single coils because both sides of the magnets (in the rotor) are utilized.

Greetings, Conrad

Nice platform. All your output coils need to be bifilar tesla wired, and the rotor magnets alternating polarity. The power coil can improve as a bifilar too, with the bipolar rotor. DeepCut's the one really set up to test this kind of coil. He's doing a great favor for us replicating this with scope shots.

conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #719 on: March 19, 2013, 09:45:24 PM »

Nice platform. All your output coils need to be bifilar tesla wired, and the rotor magnets alternating polarity. The power coil can improve as a bifilar too, with the bipolar rotor.

Alternating polarity magnet placement on the rotor will not work with my drive circuit.

My drive circuit depends on the fact that all magnets pass the coils with the same pole all the time. One coil of each pair expects N and the other opposing coil S (drive coil pairs and sensor coil pair). For the generator coil pairs the magnets could be placed with alternating poles.

I find it difficult to come up with a pulse motor circuit to drive a rotor with alternating pole magnets. The essence of a pulse motor seems to be that the poles of the rotor magnets all face the same way.

You are right, the drive coils and the sensor coils should be bifilar too.

Greetings, Conrad