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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 811634 times)

Offline garrypm

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #660 on: March 09, 2013, 08:45:09 PM »
If he's happy with that, wait till he figures out using backing magnets

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #661 on: March 09, 2013, 10:21:26 PM »
If he's happy with that, wait till he figures out using backing magnets

The "Horseshoe Magnet Field" as Flynn demonstrates, has not only the power of each coil, but the power of a third invisable magnet. Muller builders turned to that "Back Magnet" trick when a "C" core with proper permeability, clamped around the outside, and connecting the opposing output coil cores with a magnetic flux path, would greatly increase the magnetic pole shift drag. The additional ferrite would by necessity slow the magnet rotor down untill threshold speed was attained and "Lenz Propulsion" commenced. Diametric cores work better then axial's at the core ends.
 
A tiny pancake coil seperating the C core in the center would be able to cut the field in two, or with current reversed, raise the field strengh, as patented by Hienrich Kunel.
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #662 on: March 11, 2013, 08:24:11 PM »
Here's what magnetic inductance looks like between counterwound coils. The L/H formula for Lenz delay threshokd does not  include the "B" field pole shift intereferance factor. The coil inductance remains the same, and a seperate factor emerges. The Henries over Ohms needs a "B" field coefficient to round it out. The magnetic density of the "B" field, measured in Tesla's, needs to be added to the L/H diividend. So it should read: L/H x T. One tesla is equal to 104 gauss. It dosen't matter how the "B" field poles are set, so long as the domains are rigid in proportion to gauss in Teslas.. Tesla strength has no effect on inductance, and  needs to be included in the threshold formula as a distinct factor. MrAnguswangus could measure the effect simply by comparing the results of running only one coil.
 
                                                 "Domain Ridgity" = T. Pole shift reluctance.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #663 on: March 12, 2013, 12:13:58 AM »
A fluxgate magnetometer consists of a small, magnetically susceptible core wrapped by two coils of wire. An alternating electrical current is passed through one coil, driving the core through an alternating cycle of magnetic saturation; i.e., magnetised, unmagnetised, inversely magnetised, unmagnetised, magnetised, and so forth. This constantly changing field induces an electrical current in the second coil, and this output current is measured by a detector. In a magnetically neutral background, the input and output currents will match. However, when the core is exposed to a background field, it will be more easily saturated in alignment with that field and less easily saturated in opposition to it. Hence the alternating magnetic field, and the induced output current, will be out of step with the input current. The extent to which this is the case will depend on the strength of the background magnetic field. Often, the current in the output coil is integrated, yielding an output analog voltage, proportional to the magnetic field. Here's a video on theL/H formula from the archives:
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OufL9ssiyjM&list=UUDz1_S1kOhi9nYZB0KV7znA
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #664 on: March 12, 2013, 02:30:47 AM »
I've finished a very raw version (CLI) of my virtual coil builder program.

You give it the coil-former dimensions, the wire gauge and resistance per metre and the target number of turns.

It gives you the resistance, inductance, number of layers blah, blah ...

I've tested it against 7 actual coils and the results are very good.

I want to stick a GUI on it so that it is nice and friendly for testing.

I will use BlitzPlus, very easy to use, good for knocking something up quickly, free for a short while.

Get BlitzPlus from the following link :

www.blitzbasic.com/Products/_index_.php

You won't need BP to run the compiled program but you will need it to control the source.


Cheers,

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #665 on: March 17, 2013, 05:26:22 PM »
JLN has looped a Lenz delay circuit and charges his run battery while underload! Note that he accomplishes this with merely two coils like my self loop OU Diametric spinner.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMjHNJEuzHw

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #666 on: March 17, 2013, 06:06:58 PM »
JLN has looped a Lenz delay circuit and charges his run battery while underload! Note that he accomplishes this with merely two coils like my self loop OU Diametric spinner.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMjHNJEuzHw

Hi synchro1,

thanks for posting JLN new test. I don't want to sound negative here but I would like to point out that JLN new test is not a self loop. The input to his prime mover is from a power supply set at 29vdc and 3.12amps = over 90 watts.

JLN is only demonstrating that the coils under load (one on the LED bulbs and one charging a battery) will not affect the prime mover.

JLN needs to find a prime mover that is much more efficient then the outrunner motor he is using to consider a self loop.

I'm glad he is doing these experiments as it may encourage others to research.

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #667 on: March 17, 2013, 06:57:15 PM »
Hi synchro1,

thanks for posting JLN new test. I don't want to sound negative here but I would like to point out that JLN new test is not a self loop. The input to his prime mover is from a power supply set at 29vdc and 3.12amps = over 90 watts.

JLN is only demonstrating that the coils under load (one on the LED bulbs and one charging a battery) will not affect the prime mover.

JLN needs to find a prime mover that is much more efficient then the outrunner motor he is using to consider a self loop.

I'm glad he is doing these experiments as it may encourage others to research.

Luc

You're right, thanks. He'd get the self loop OU if he positioned a diametric tube magnet snugly in the output coil core, and replaced that juice hog motor with a large tube spinner like Skycollection's.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #668 on: March 17, 2013, 08:08:21 PM »
Here is the link to my virtual coil builder program :

http://www.mediafire.com/?op72vvb361ovw80

and here is the link to the BASIC language compiler that runs it, scroll down to the BlitzPlus item that is free :

http://blitzbasic.com/Products/_index_.php

The program can be set to go for a resistance target or a number of turns target.

It then reports the coils dimensions as well as projected properties like inductance and resistance.

I have checked nearly 20 actual coils now and have also compared it with online calculators and i'm very pleased with it, the inductance calculation has been within around 3% accurate.

It has saved me from shooting in the dark and i can now confidently wind a coil having first simulated it to see the perfect coil-former length and diameter to maximise its inductance, i hope it's helpful to others.


DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #669 on: March 18, 2013, 08:22:49 PM »
The latest video from skycollection on delayed Lenz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8c319GQhEA&list=UUWqI0GXGprm81g3gkVa5v_w&index=1
 
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #670 on: March 18, 2013, 09:11:49 PM »
Hi everyone,

a warning to everyone. I contacted skycollection around 2 months ago when he started experimenting with bi-filar pancake coils as generator coils. At that time he did not have the delayed Lenz effect.  Some of you may know that I worked with Thane Heins.
I thought skycollection high rpm magnetic bearing motor would be able to demonstrate a good effect so I freely shared how to connect the many layers of bi-filar pancake coils in a way to raise the self capacitance. We exchanged many emails.

To make a long story short, about a week after our exchange he got the effect, so I made some more suggestions and he replied this was all his own ideas. That's when I realized this guy is in it for himself. Notice he does not show how to builds anything.

Just thought I would share that

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #671 on: March 18, 2013, 10:03:26 PM »
We don't need to involve all that extra wire to raise the equivilant Lenz delay "Self Capacitance", all we need to do is push a diametric plig in the air core of any Tesla bifilar configuration output coil.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #672 on: March 18, 2013, 11:39:09 PM »
We don't need to involve all that extra wire to raise the equivilant Lenz delay "Self Capacitance", all we need to do is push a diametric plig in the air core of any Tesla bifilar configuration output coil.

Hi,

Could you elaborate on "all we need to do is push a diametric plig in the air core of any Tesla bifilar configuration output coil."?

What is a plig?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #673 on: March 18, 2013, 11:41:48 PM »
A diametric tube magnet, plugged into a solinoid tesla bifilar outpt coil core!

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #674 on: March 18, 2013, 11:56:29 PM »
I have a spare diametric cylinder magnet.

I will try using it as a coil-core on my diametric AUL testbed this week.

I can't imagine the advantage of having this as a core but i will try it ?


DC.