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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 873544 times)

gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #315 on: October 17, 2011, 08:59:59 PM »
Hi everyone,

since now I learned how to correctly calculate Pin and Pout thanks to Thane and Gyula I decided to test the BiTT.

From all the paying around with the BiTT I can tell you it's a very different Transformer then the one I built.

One of the main difference is there is no ideal Frequency it works better at. The 50Hz to 200Hz range is all the same and Frequencies above that the output starts to go down in a linear way.
The other difference is Load, the more the load the more the Phase shift. Mine, the more the load (short is best) the more I can drop the Frequency and still have a Frequency that I get Zero Phase shift loaded or not.

Here are my Power Calculations from the Scope data. Shunt is 10 Ohms and S1 & S2 loads are 150 Ohms each. Test is done at 60Hz.

First scope shot is no load

Second scope shot is with loads and Interestingly enough it has the same 76.5 Phase angle then my Transformer.

Third scope shot we can see all the data and I calculate 0.0246713136 Watts in

Power out is 0.001944 Watts on S2 and 0.0015876 Watts on S1 for a Total of 0.0035316 Watts out

Looks to be a little under the 14.5% efficiency range

If Thane or anyone else see a problem in my calculations please point them out

Luc

« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 03:38:43 AM by gotoluc »

gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #316 on: October 17, 2011, 10:47:30 PM »
Okay my friends... here it is :D

The GTL 90 Transformer.

Operating a load with perfect 90 Degrees Phase Shift at 60Hz :o from my Signal Generator Output ... Reactive Power man 8)

Shunt Resistor is 10 Ohms and Load is also 10 Ohms

First Scope Shot is no Load close up Phase check
Second Shot is with 10 Ohm Load close up Phase check
Third Scope Shot is with 10 Ohm Load full view and Data

Let me know what you think

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #317 on: October 17, 2011, 11:02:02 PM »
Quote from: gotoluc link=topic=11350.msg302770#msg302770
Here are my Power Calculations from the Scope data. Shunt is 10 Ohms and S1 & S2 loads are 150 Ohms each. Test is done at 60Hz.

@Luc, have you tried two different loads at the same time on the BIT? So lets say S1: 30 Ohms and for instance S2: 150 Ohms? My guess is that this will amplify the counter Lenz effects between the two secondaries, playing inside the special BIT transformer... Of course all this without reflecting to the primary coil.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #318 on: October 17, 2011, 11:05:10 PM »
@Luc, have you tried two different loads at the same time on the BIT? So lets say S1: 30 Ohms and for instance S2: 150 Ohms? My guess is that this will amplify the counter Lenz effects between the two secondaries, playing inside the special BIT transformer... Of course all this without reflecting to the primary coil.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

Dear Overunityguide

please look at my new post above yours.

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #319 on: October 17, 2011, 11:11:51 PM »
Hi Luc,

Can you show a photo of these setups BIT/GTL90? Just curious...
Your calculations are correct for the BIT.

On your GTL90 I wonder if a power factor correction could be done like Overunityguide mentioned this afternoon?
To do it, you need to know the input coil self inductance and choose a capacitor with the same reactance at 60 Hz the input coil has at 60 Hz. Then connect this cap in parallel with the input coil, this way the input impedance will be real with no phase shift between input current and voltage instead of the present 90° shift.

Gyula

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #320 on: October 17, 2011, 11:25:56 PM »
Edited

Still a better improvement so I re-posted the Scope Shots.

Now 182mv of Reactive Power on the 10 Ohm load

0.00324 Watts of Free Power ;D

Now it's time to plug it in the wall :o

Wish me luck

Luc
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 12:10:37 AM by gotoluc »

gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #321 on: October 17, 2011, 11:38:45 PM »
Hi Luc,

Can you show a photo of these setups BIT/GTL90? Just curious...
Your calculations are correct for the BIT.

On your GTL90 I wonder if a power factor correction could be done like Overunityguide mentioned this afternoon?
To do it, you need to know the input coil self inductance and choose a capacitor with the same reactance at 60 Hz the input coil has at 60 Hz. Then connect this cap in parallel with the input coil, this way the input impedance will be real with no phase shift between input current and voltage instead of the present 90° shift.

Gyula

Humm :-\... I thought that 90 degrees Phase shift was the best scenario. I achieve it and now you say something else is better.

Inductance of my Primary is 220mH

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #322 on: October 17, 2011, 11:56:33 PM »
Humm :-\... I thought that 90 degrees Phase shift was the best scenario. I achieve it and now you say something else is better.

Inductance of my Primary is 220mH

Luc

Luc,  I do not know if it is better or not... just repeated a suggestion that a reactive input can be power factor corrected.

Primary coil inductive reactance is 82.896 Ohm, this needs a 32 uF parallel cap to get resonance at 60 Hz.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #323 on: October 18, 2011, 12:10:28 AM »
Humm :-\... I thought that 90 degrees Phase shift was the best scenario. I achieve it and now you say something else is better.

Luc

HEY LUC,

DON'T LISTEN TO THESE GUYS THEY ARE ALL ON CRACK!  ;)
POWER FACTOR CORRECTION IS GENERALLY DONE ON A BUILDING AS A WHOLE ANYWAY...
SOON THERE WON'T BE A GRID SO THE POINT IS MOOT ANYWAY.

NOW IF YOU STICK YOUR BiTT (WITH ZERO POWER FACTOR) IN BETWEEN AN ELECTRIC CAR'S GENERATOR AND THE BATTERY (PF = 1) AND YOU WILL HAVE REACTIONLESS (LENZ FREE) TRANSFER OF POWER WHICH IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT.  :D

ACTUALLY YOU CAN USE THE BiTT BETWEEN THE BATTERY AND MOTOR AS WELL.

CHEERS
T

PS 1
GOTOLUC 90 TRANSFORMER PHOTOS PLEASE?

PS 2
NOW THAT YOU HAVE A PF = 0 PRIMARY POWER CONSUMPTION = Ip(squared) x Rdcprimary

PS 3
NICE SCOPE WORK BTW (EVEN IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF :-X)

MY ELECTRONICS PROFESSOR PETER CARILLO IS SMILING DOWN FROM HEAVEN RIGHT NOW SEEING THAT I ACTUALLY LEARNED SOMETHING IN HIS CLASS AFTERALL).

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #324 on: October 18, 2011, 12:27:24 AM »

0.00324 Watts of Free Power ;D

Luc

0.00324 WATTS - PRIMARY CURRENT (SQUARED) x PRIMARY DC RESISTANCE.

CHEERS
T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #325 on: October 18, 2011, 01:37:30 AM »
Here are the new Scope Shots with the GTL 90 Transformer connected to 120vac 60Hz Grid Power

Power in Reactive = 0 Watts

Power out = 0.74 Watts

Please note that I changed the Shunt Resistor to 1 Ohm since Input Voltage is much higher then the Singal Generator Output was.

First Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power no Load (phase check)
Second Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power & 10 Ohms Load (phase check)
Third Shot is GTL 90 Transformer with 120vac 60Hz Grid Power & 10 Ohms Load (complete view & data)

One interesting thing about this Transformer is when I connect the 10 Ohm load to the Secondary there is Zero effect to the Primary Phase degree. You can see that between the first scope shot (no load) and the second scope shot (10 ohm load).

Please post your comments

Luc
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 01:59:50 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #326 on: October 18, 2011, 04:12:36 AM »
At anyone interested,

I made a video of my last day of sailing for this Season.

Location: Ottawa River, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Sailboat: 1978 Pearson 23 feet long, with 8 foot beam (wide), 2.5 foot draft (deep) with swing fin up (shoal draft keel)

I bought this Sailboat for $350 in the Spring of 2010. The stern Starboard corner was ripped open in a storm so it was written off. I restore the boat in the Spring and Summer of 2010 to close to new condition.   

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrXokXjWpY

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #327 on: October 18, 2011, 05:26:15 AM »
I'm posting these scope shots just for the fun of it.

I can adjust the Voltage to Lead the Current by 97 degrees which give a Negative cos of -0.1219

However the output starts to drop

I calculate -0.7878 Watts returned to Grid and 0.2133 Watts on the 10 Ohm Load

Let me know if I calculated it right

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #328 on: October 18, 2011, 09:27:55 AM »
Especially for GotoLuc:

 (good work on the GTL 90 Transformer BTW)

Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31i8kvkJoWY
Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CePs4Dde7ck&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

And Luc I want you to know that I am also feeling myself "MAD LIKE TESLA" !
BTW what is in the book?

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

wings

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #329 on: October 18, 2011, 10:35:02 AM »
Especially for GotoLuc:

 (good work on the GTL 90 Transformer BTW)

Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31i8kvkJoWY
Amsterdam Canal Boat Trip Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CePs4Dde7ck&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

And Luc I want you to know that I am also feeling myself "MAD LIKE TESLA" !
BTW what is in the book?

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

http://madliketesla.com/about-the-book/