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gotoluc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #165 on: September 30, 2011, 05:51:56 AM »
Thane, I was drawing the same conclusion at first glance, but.....
to be dead sure, we need the total primary current, while the primary current that Luc is showing is only the current that is going through the primary coil and not the current through the parallel capacitor, at least that is what I observe from it.
The current through the capacitor should be added as well.

So, Luc can you check whether you connected the parallel capacitor before or after the serial resistor?

Hi teslaalset,

the Capacitor is connected after the series Resistor, directly in Parallel at the Primary Coil.

Thanks for your interest

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #166 on: September 30, 2011, 06:14:08 AM »
Thanks for the video gotluc. :) I have a question though, did the circuit act differently if you shorted it vs using the led. The reason I ask is, don't led's act as diodes? This wouldn't be the same as a short circuit. Now back to watching the video..

Also, you keep saying current changes when it is the voltage isn't it?

Hi Shadesz,

thanks for your interest.

The results are the same if I short the Secondary.

Technically the Green waveform is a Probe measuring the Voltage across a 1 Ohm Resistor that is connected in Series on the Ground of the Signal Generator lead. The Yellow waveform is a Probe measuring the voltage between the Hot lead of the SG and the Ground of the SG. All probe Grounds are connected together on the same side of the resistor which is closest to the SG ground.

From what I understand when a Dual trace Scope is connected in this configuration the Probe connected between the Resistor is a representation of Current being consumed. Also, one can observe Phase Shift.

Please correct me if I am not doing this correctly or miss understanding something.

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #167 on: September 30, 2011, 08:24:54 AM »
Tomorrow I'm going to my storage to pickup some large AC Capacitors. Going to see how far down I can drop the Frequency. It would be nice if I can get it down to 60Hz.

@gotoluc, Great work so far. My compliments, of course when there is only reactive power going to a primary coil you can power factor correct this by putting a parallel capacitor to your primary. But for now please don't forget that when you try to lower your frequency to the 60 Hz you mentioned that you will kill the desired Delayed Lenz effect at your secondary side. So as a result of this I would expect that you cannot run your load purely reactive again. Because if the only important thing to this was primary power factor correction related, than every manufacturer of microwave oven transformers would be doing this.

So my advice is to not go below a certain frequency... lets say not below 700 Hz or something like that...

Please see my videos in where I get totally different results for 200 Hz and for 950 Hz:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbmharDOA3Y
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YiRV1SUsgc&feature=related

Keep up the good work, and With Kind Regards, Overunityguide


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2011, 08:50:14 AM »
Regarding the LED as a load? it is a diode and gives a near shorting effect in every second half period of the AC wave whenever the LED senses a forward bias from the AC amplitude.

I guess it is a single LED, so, indeed it kind of shorts one half of the cycle.
Because it's shown in resonance, it doesn't show a clear distorted current waveshape (a not symmetric sinus).
Would be interesting to see what happens if there are 2 anti-parallel connected LED's are applied, so both sinus halves periods are performing shorting.
I would expect a more explicit phase shift in that case.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2011, 11:28:20 AM »
I guess it is a single LED, so, indeed it kind of shorts one half of the cycle.
Because it's shown in resonance, it doesn't show a clear distorted current waveshape (a not symmetric sinus).

Would be interesting to see what happens if there are 2 anti-parallel connected LED's are applied, so both sinus halves periods are performing shorting.
I would expect a more explicit phase shift in that case.

Well, I think we have to consider how good the shorting effect is the LED(s) represents with respect to the effect of a real short like a piece of wire?

The green LED needs about 2V forward voltage and assuming a 15mA current for the brightness in Luc's video, this LED represents a loading resistor of 2V/0.015A=133 Ohm, very far from a short circuit case.
By putting two LEDs anti-parallel then both half waves of a cycle would be symmetricall loaded (i.e. clamped) by the LEDs indeed but their loading effect still would be in the one to two hundred Ohm range.

This way I think the phase shift would not change too much either in this respect. So a heavier load (like a few watt incandescent light bulb or even  a few Ohm resistor may represent) is to be used.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2011, 11:54:08 AM »
Well, I think we have to consider how good the shorting effect is the LED(s) represents with respect to the effect of a real short like a piece of wire?

The green LED needs about 2V forward voltage and assuming a 15mA current for the brightness in Luc's video, this LED represents a loading resistor of 2V/0.015A=133 Ohm, very far from a short circuit case.

I am not sure this is true.
The shorting resistance will be  delta VLED / delta ILED in my view, looking at common diode I/U characteristics. Normally this is a quite steep curve.

Attached an example of a fairly common LED.
Going to the U/I curve the delta U/ Delta I is around 0.2/0.035 => approx. 6 Ohms


« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 01:33:33 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2011, 02:45:05 PM »
Hi all

Special thank's to Gotoluc for his experiment.

So i tried a replication and it seems to work very well.

I wonder if ,( as it has already been proposed by a user i don't remember the name sorry), we placed an amplificator (for example a HI FI ampli) between the signal generator and the Mot if we could increase the effect and test more power. What do you think ? Any idea Thane ?

Thank's to all for sharing this very interesting stuff.

Good luck at all

Laurent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt9tqQfYpmk

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2011, 03:37:06 PM »
please don't forget that when you try to lower your frequency to the 60 Hz you mentioned that you will kill the desired Delayed Lenz effect at your secondary side. So as a result of this I would expect that you cannot run your load purely reactive again. Because if the only important thing to this was primary power factor correction related, than every manufacturer of microwave oven transformers would be doing this.

Hi Overunityguide,

I was also thinking like you on lowering the Frequency would eventually null the effect. However, last night I paralleled all the AC Capacitors I have available on my boat and it makes a 37.4uF value.

Using this value I was able to drop the Frequency down to 250Hz and to my surprise the effect is still there and the bonus is the Secondary is now delivering about twice the Current at this lower Frequency. I connected 2 LED's in Parallel and each are in Reverse polarity to each other so both sides of the Sine Wave gets Shorted.

Below are the scope shots:

First Shot is @ 250Hz no Load on Secondary and no Capacitor on Primary (idle transformer)

Second Shot is @ 250Hz with Dual LED as Load and 37.4uf Capacitor on Primary

Later today I will get my larger AC Capacitors out from the storage to further drop the Frequency.

Stay tuned ;D

Luc
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 04:18:07 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2011, 03:44:31 PM »
I guess it is a single LED, so, indeed it kind of shorts one half of the cycle.
Because it's shown in resonance, it doesn't show a clear distorted current waveshape (a not symmetric sinus).
Would be interesting to see what happens if there are 2 anti-parallel connected LED's are applied, so both sinus halves periods are performing shorting.
I would expect a more explicit phase shift in that case.

Hi teslaalset,

I thought of doing this last night so there is now 2 anti-parallel connected LED's.

Results are the same and since I dropped the Frequency down to 250Hz the current is double so both LED's are fully lit.

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2011, 03:46:11 PM »
I am not sure this is true.
The shorting resistance will be  delta VLED / delta ILED in my view, looking at common diode I/U characteristics. Normally this is a quite steep curve.

Attached an example of a fairly common LED.
Going to the U/I curve the delta U/ Delta I is around 0.2/0.035 => approx. 6 Ohms

hi teslaalset,

Yes, you are correct in that I should have considered dynamic resistance for the LED just like it were a Zener diode and I agree that the loading effect corresponds to a non-linearly changing resistor with an average r=6 Ohm value in the case you picked from the data sheet graph.
But still I think we should not omit the fact that the AC sine wave amplitude coming from the secondary cannot drive any current through the LED whenever the instanteneus voltage amplitude is lower than or opposite to the forward voltage of the LED.  So considering one AC cycle and only one LED  (Luc used only one), the loading effect from a LED comes as a resistor-change from a few Ohms to a near open circuit during a certain part within one half cycle of a full cycle.  In case of two anti-parallel LEDs the loading effect widens with a certain part within the other half cycle and thus current cannot flow at and near to the zero crossings till the voltage amplitude reaches near  +/- 2V or whatever the forward bias need for the LEDs.

And even with as small dynamic resistance as a LED may manifest you still have to consider the microwave transformer secondary coil copper resistance in Luc's setup as being much higher than the 6 Ohm, so the ruling effective resistance to consider for phase shifting when talking about shorts is that of the secondary coil, having a 80-100 Ohm DC resistance for a oven transformer secondary.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #175 on: September 30, 2011, 04:03:10 PM »
FYI TO ALL,

PLEASE WRITE TO THE MEDAI (TYLER HAMILTON & OTHER EMAILS BELOW) TO TRY TO HELP GET THEM TO ATTEND THE DEMOS?  :-\

THANKS & CHEERS
Thane

PS, THE ATTACHED DEMO PHOTOS WERE FOR THE US ARMY AND ELECTRON ENERGY CORPORATION LAST SUMMER IN PA.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #176 on: September 30, 2011, 04:04:57 PM »
Well, I think we have to consider how good the shorting effect is the LED(s) represents with respect to the effect of a real short like a piece of wire?

The green LED needs about 2V forward voltage and assuming a 15mA current for the brightness in Luc's video, this LED represents a loading resistor of 2V/0.015A=133 Ohm, very far from a short circuit case.
By putting two LEDs anti-parallel then both half waves of a cycle would be symmetricall loaded (i.e. clamped) by the LEDs indeed but their loading effect still would be in the one to two hundred Ohm range.

This way I think the phase shift would not change too much either in this respect. So a heavier load (like a few watt incandescent light bulb or even  a few Ohm resistor may represent) is to be used.

Hi Gyula,

I did this last night. I used a light bulb that the Secondary could not light and the result is the same.

Here is the scope shot with an unlit 12v auto bulb measuring 10 Ohm's as load on Secondary and the next scope shot I moved the Voltage Probe (Yellow) across the bulb.

Luc
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 04:37:42 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #177 on: September 30, 2011, 04:26:51 PM »
Hi all

Special thank's to Gotoluc for his experiment.

So i tried a replication and it seems to work very well.

I wonder if ,( as it has already been proposed by a user i don't remember the name sorry), we placed an amplificator (for example a HI FI ampli) between the signal generator and the Mot if we could increase the effect and test more power. What do you think ? Any idea Thane ?

Thank's to all for sharing this very interesting stuff.

Good luck at all

Laurent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt9tqQfYpmk

Excellent replication job Laurent ;)

I suspect you are able to drop your Frequency much more with less uf value since you are using a MOT that the Primary is wound for 220VAC compared to me with a Primary made for 120VAC. So your Primary maybe twice the Inductance value as mine.

Find yourself some more AC Capacitors to drop it down to your 50Hz grid Frequency. You are not so far off. You can Parallel as many of them as you need. I have 15 of them now ;D

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #178 on: September 30, 2011, 04:38:40 PM »
Just a more practical question that bugs me regarding this MOT experiment:
Why is a single LED surviving in this setup up?
I would expect the voltage at the secondary to be a few KVolt if I look at the difference in inductance between primary and secondary impedance.
Probably due to the high resistance of the secondary winding?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #179 on: September 30, 2011, 04:44:00 PM »
Hi teslaalset,

I thought of doing this last night so there is now 2 anti-parallel connected LED's.

Results are the same and since I dropped the Frequency down to 250Hz the current is double so both LED's are fully lit.

Luc

Thanks Luc!

I still trying to understand why your results are similar when you change from one LED to two anti-parallel.
I thought is had to deal with average load resistance over one cycle, so 2 LEDs in antiparallel connection would half the load resistance.