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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 874109 times)

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #840 on: March 27, 2013, 12:19:47 PM »
@Alvaro

You haven't offended anyone !

I apologise, it was my mistake. I no longer watch skycollection's videos so i didn't realise where 'amazing induction' came from.

I thought you thought some amazing secret must be behind it so i wrote that long post.

Yes the speed threshold is important, the lowest seems to be anywhere from 200Hz to 400Hz, depending on setup.

I admire skycollection's builds, very beautiful, and people like pretty lights :)

I just get angry when i see someone claim work as their own.

But you're right, we should just get on with the work :)


All the best,

DC.




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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #841 on: March 27, 2013, 12:44:50 PM »
Hi DC
no need to apologize please, I learn from your posts a million more that from Skycollections vids.

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I just get angry when i see someone claim work as their own.


me too !!!   I saw at the beginning the appearance in the net of the Rodin Coil and the starship coil, so I know very well where these come from.

regards
Alvaro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #842 on: March 27, 2013, 01:48:46 PM »
J.L.N has forgoten to translate in english here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE20en.htm

"l'effet ne se produit pas avec une bobine à air,"

In fact if there is no ferromagnetic core, there is no acceleration.

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #843 on: March 27, 2013, 01:57:53 PM »
J.L.N has forgoten to translate in english here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE20en.htm

"l'effet ne se produit pas avec une bobine à air,"

In fact if there is no ferromagnetic core, there is no acceleration.

Thanks PiCed :)

I have read of some people getting the effect with no core but i have yet to see it.


atb,

nibs.

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #844 on: March 27, 2013, 02:28:14 PM »
Both Pirate Twinbeard and myself harvested "Lenz Propulsion" spinning neo spheres inside the air cores of Tesla wrapped bifilar output coils. I just posted a video of a 1/2" sphere that was charging it's own power battery this way. Once again we're spinning neo sphere rotors "INSIDE THE AIR CORE'S OF TRUE BIFILAR PICKUP COILS", and accelerating the rotor spheres using "Lenz Delay" with no ferrite core anywhere near the output coils.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #845 on: March 27, 2013, 03:25:38 PM »
Yes we have.  This is the basic premise of the "flowerpower device" I created:  Bifilar starship coil as prime mover, Bedini style.  I tend to like the smaller rotors (1/8" to 3/8")... while they are hard get started, they achieve incredible RPMs.  In any case, I documented the effect on some of the earlier videos on my youtube channel.  The inductor (pickup coil) I used to accelerate the frequency of operation was indeed an aircore inductor... the first was around 150ohms of #26AWG, and the second around 230ohms of #24AWG.  The key is taking advantage of the parasitic capacitive property of the coil to delay the creation of the "cogging" field in the pickup coil.  This creates a phase shifting of the temporal relationship between the rotor pole passing the inductor and the cogging field by temporarily storing the induced energy from the rotor electrostatically on the surface of the wire, instead of allowing current to flow to load immediately.  This delay is long enough for the next pole to rotate into position, and be accelerated by the decaying field as the current finally flows out into the load.

Both Pirate Twinbeard and myself harvested "Lenz Propulsion" spinning neo spheres inside the air cores of Tesla wrapped bifilar output coils. I just posted a video of a 1/2" sphere that was charging it's own power battery this way. Once again we're spinning neo sphere rotors "INSIDE THE AIR CORE'S OF TRUE BIFILAR PICKUP COILS", and accelerating the rotor spheres using "Lenz Delay" with no ferrite core anywhere near the output coils.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #846 on: March 27, 2013, 03:28:24 PM »
Excellent !

Hats off to you both :)

Here's a short video of my baby rotor, now passing 40,000 RPM :)

All set to make a coil that overspeeds the rotor, just waiting for my plastic to arrive.


All the best,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #847 on: March 27, 2013, 03:47:18 PM »
Excellent !

Hats off to you both :)

Here's a short video of my baby rotor, now passing 40,000 RPM :)

All set to make a coil that overspeeds the rotor, just waiting for my plastic to arrive.


All the best,

DC.


Hey DC,
You forgot to paste the link of your video  :)


Sound scary thou, thinkin the neo might explode with that 40k rpm, cool!  ;)
Regards
Cc

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #848 on: March 27, 2013, 03:53:56 PM »
Doh!

Sorry about that :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKTRu9Q659U


Cheers crazy,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #849 on: March 27, 2013, 04:13:46 PM »
Alphcentauro, 300,000 r.p.m 400vpp output at 5000 Hz He's levitating a tiny diametric neo cylinder inside the Tesla bifilar pickup coil:
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oFzXOZnE8

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #850 on: March 27, 2013, 04:20:47 PM »
I remember seeing that a few years ago, when i'd just started learning about motors/generators, and i thought that somehow he had ice particles everywhere !

Absolutely amazing speed.

Smaller is better !

It would be interesting to know the output amperage, probably in the microamp range.

Getting useable current is the step that is the hardest.


atb,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #851 on: March 27, 2013, 04:23:37 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCN1GWqtqg

Here you go synchro... this is the small rotor finely tuned, with freq measurements.

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #852 on: March 27, 2013, 04:33:51 PM »
WOW !

Go Pirates, Go Pirates ... No, not that fast, we can't focus on you at that speed !!!


Nice one,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #853 on: March 27, 2013, 04:56:58 PM »
@Twinbeard,
 
That video out performed anything Speilberg ever produced. It looks like you're runing output from your 34 and 22 gauge around through the output coil housing your spinner. I understand that you believe this causes field interferance and a phase shift that creates Lenz delay propulsion. I'm trying to replicate that feedback Lenz delay amplification effect in my Spifilar Knots. Accelerating the rotor to 3,000,000 rpm on a self looped field tourqing power, independent of input and generating 1000 volts with respectable amperage is like splitting the atom!
 
My Spiral setup has a Quadfilar and bifilar in Tandem. If I designate one half of the Quadfilar for output and run it's current straight into the bifilar pickup, it may induce Lenz Delay propulsion on my 2" neo sphere the way Twinbeard does. I worked hard to try and conduct this experiment, but I was so feverish I got nowhere. Earmuff Pancake pickup coils can perhaps assist in generating output. This would be KW range.

If I connect those coils leads and achieve neo sphere acceleration like Twinbeard does, Warp factor quantum leap. The future hinges on this result. I'm paralyzed with awe.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #854 on: March 27, 2013, 06:55:17 PM »
Thanx Synchro,

Its worth noting that the Fluke DMM was operating in frequencies beyond its capacity.  I later upgraded the instrumentation to a Tek current probe and 100x standard scope probe.  This yielded readings at max in motor mode of around 1700VAC, with current readings at approximately 15ma... still no joke when considering that there is a battery being charged as well.  These readings with the current probe were taken between the rotary device and the output trafo as well, as opposed to on the output of the trafo itself, as was done with the Fluke.

Output is higher, 2300VAC and 20ma or so in solid state mode with the current coil configuration.  With matched 350ohm #34AWG coils above and below the starship pair, I got around 4000VAC at 35ma or so in solid state mode before a lead from one of the pickup coils got near the aluminum base of the device and a purple plasma arced from the lead to the case and fried the whole setup, requiring replacement of everything but the coils, essentially.

The important thing about the coil config to get lenz accel is the parasitic capacitance, imho.  It comes down to timing.  You have to delay the current enough to let the exciting pole pass, but not so long as to allow a full rotation.  Its like tuning an LC, but both are in the same physical component.  Bifilar pancake makes a pretty good capacitor, from what I have read.


Also, Input is around 400ma @12VDC to drive the prime mover, and around 550ma in solid state mode full output.

@Twinbeard,
 
That video out performed anything Speilberg ever produced. It looks like you're runing output from your 34 and 22 gauge around through the output coil housing your spinner. I understand that you believe this causes field interferance and a phase shift that creates Lenz delay propulsion. I'm trying to replicate that feedback Lenz delay amplification effect in my Spifilar Knots. Accelerating the rotor to 3,000,000 rpm on a self looped field tourqing power, independent of input and generating 1000 volts with respectable amperage is like splitting the atom!
 
My Spiral setup has a Quadfilar and bifilar in Tandem. If I designate one half of the Quadfilar for output and run it's current straight into the bifilar pickup, it may induce Lenz Delay propulsion on my 2" neo sphere the way Twinbeard does. I worked hard to try and conduct this experiment, but I was so feverish I got nowhere. Earmuff Pancake pickup coils can perhaps assist in generating output. This would be KW range.

If I connect those coils leads and achieve neo sphere acceleration like Twinbeard does, Warp factor quantum leap. The future hinges on this result. I'm paralyzed with awe.