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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 834714 times)

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #825 on: March 26, 2013, 07:10:02 PM »
Quote from: PiCéd on March 26, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
The last test of J.L.N:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

In fact, the distance into the coil and the magnet is important to have the delayed Lenz.

No, JLN was only showing that, in a normal generator, increasing the distance resulted in acceleration and decreased current input when on-load.

All you have to do to get delayed Lenz is wind a high-inductance coil, a coil of many turns. It doesn't even have to be bifilar.

Check this good tutorial from OverUnityGuide :

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CUJ-q-dXiRjiUaoaM_ReAtmGyM2Ic1q


All the best,

DC.
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #826 on: March 26, 2013, 07:49:09 PM »
Quote from: DeepCut on March 26, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
@Luc

The water down the drain thing is a myth, the spin direction depends on initial conditions and even a minute difference in force affects the outcome.


atb,

DC.

I agree, The drain vortex direction may have been exaggerated but they have measured a difference in a controlled lab environment.
However, when it comes to Meteorology Wikipedia says this:
"High pressure systems rotate in a direction such that the Coriolis force will be directed radially inwards, and nearly balanced by the outwardly radial pressure gradient. This direction is clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Low pressure systems rotate in the opposite direction, so that the Coriolis force is directed radially outward and nearly balances an inwardly radial pressure gradient. In each case a slight imbalance between the Coriolis force and the pressure gradient accounts for the radially inward acceleration of the system's circular motion."

Luc
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #827 on: March 26, 2013, 07:51:31 PM »
Quote from: DeepCut on March 26, 2013, 06:51:13 PM
LOL !

I'm getting loads of PM's now because of my post on skycollection's vid.

Maybe we should do a document so that all the info for a simple, first AUL device is in one place.

Many minds may bring new ideas.


atb,

DC.

Sounds like a goo idea!... any volunteers?

Luc
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #828 on: March 26, 2013, 07:55:21 PM »
Jorge replied to my youtube inquiry, and that he got "bad results" stacking the pancakes over the levitating bearing spinner. That leaves the magnet core for spare chute. Plus, I agree with the Coriolus theory!
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #829 on: March 26, 2013, 08:06:00 PM »
I'll do it, i work from home so i have very long lunch hours ;+}

How's this for a rough framework, in order of complexity ?

0. Show that a standard coil exhibits drag.
1. Increasing the time constant by increasing the inductance with a high number of turns.
2. Using a bifilar/trifilar/quadfilar winding to increase the parasitic capacitance.
3. Connecting individual bifilar-wound, serially-connected coil-sections in parallel to increase current and hence the effect.
4. Wind a coil that has virtually no effect on rotor speed or input current (this is as far as i've got, with a coil that reduced frequency by ~4ms and increased input current by ~5mA).
5. Wind a coil that overspeeds the rotor by a small amount (i should have that done this weekend if my coil-former parts arrive in time).
6. Wind a coil  that overspeeds the rotor and cuts down on input current by a sizeable percentage.
7. Wind enough coils to drop input current to zero.
8. Connect those coils (in parallel ?), step-down the output and selfrun the device (yes please !).

Thoughts/comments ?


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #830 on: March 26, 2013, 08:19:59 PM »
My last comment to Skycollection:
 
 
Dear Jorge, the levitating bearing spinner must be below the "Lenz delay" threshold rpm compared to the VCR multi magnet north south frequency speed.
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #831 on: March 26, 2013, 08:29:01 PM »
40mm solid 'native' copper spheres for £8 on UK ebay :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160981417997


atb,

DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #832 on: March 26, 2013, 09:06:40 PM »
Quote from: DeepCut on March 26, 2013, 08:29:01 PM
40mm solid 'native' copper spheres for £8 on UK ebay :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160981417997


atb,

DC.

Viewing it from Canada it says  2.9 cms in diameter  ;D

Luc
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #833 on: March 26, 2013, 09:09:37 PM »
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #834 on: March 26, 2013, 09:46:58 PM »
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #835 on: March 26, 2013, 11:02:11 PM »
Synchro1
I planned to wind such coils tomorrow, but you are advanced, so I`ll wait for your news here.
Waiting with expectation
thanks for sharing
Alvaro
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #836 on: March 26, 2013, 11:05:18 PM »
Alvaro_CS,
 
Counter wound, serial connected. I'd be willing to bet money that any tesla wraped bifilar air core spindle pickup coil would react the same way past threshold r.p.m., same gauge and wire length. The Tesla solinoid coil already has zero self capacitance. Skycollection apparantly tries to double the effect, but if you think about it you can see that the counter wound spirals merely neutralizes the effect back to zero by running current backwards against itsef another time.
 
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 01:53:11 AM by synchro1 »
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #837 on: March 27, 2013, 09:55:10 AM »
Some observations about that Skycollection video:amazing induction
I think that fed with 9.96 W pulsed or linear a lot more leds may be used at full light .
(considering many led lamps are rated 220V 2W or less each)

I may be wrong

cheers
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #838 on: March 27, 2013, 10:08:46 AM »
sky isn't performing 'amazing induction', it's simply 'induction'.

Alvaro, if you want to see this effect for yourself there is a very easy way to begin.

1. Get a pound of copper wire, say 0.3mm in diameter.

2. Unwind half of the wire onto a second spool and cut.

3. Now wind both halves simultaneously onto a third spool, this is your bifilar winding.

Your two wires, let's call them A and B, both have a start and an end, so you have four wire ends.

4. Burn then scrape the insulation from all four ends so that they will conduct.

5. Join wire A start to wire B end.

The pair of ends left are your output wires for your load.

6. Put a core in the middle of your coil (iron nails, iron bolt, mild steel nails ...).

7. Attach a crocodile clip to one of your load wire ends and place the coil 30-40mm away from the rotor.

8. Spin up the rotor.

9. When the rotor reaches its maximum speed, connect your load wire ends together, creating a short circuit.

You will then see the rotor accelerate AND the input current go down.

This is easier to do than it is to describe how ! Much easier than winding lots of pancake coils.


All the best,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #839 on: March 27, 2013, 12:09:00 PM »
@Deepcut
Sorry if my last post offended anyone, this was not my intention, neither I post here to argue nor criticize Skycollection, but rather to learn from all you, including Jorge, as I admire much his skills.

The video was entitled: AMAZING INDUCTION,and in his speech (spanish is my native language) he shows how much he is surprised with the high induction produced by these coils.
Watching carefully the vid. I realised that the voltage and amperage in the set of coils, was produced directly from the power suply, in other words, the lamps are fed from the power suply, and not from the magnet which acts merely as a trigger.

As I said, this is only my observation, and I know I may be wrong, if you see it, be kind to explain why please.

As for the Tesla bifilar, I`ve made many of them, solenoid type, flat panckakes, air core, over ferrite rods and steel laminations (in Adams mot.) over ferrite toroids (for joules thief),etc.
Also made a lot of starship coils (Clanzner) at 6, 9 and 12 points, even one similar to the compressed one.

In my thoughts, I see that the critical point here, (in this thread issue) is the speed threshold  necessary to produce the effect,
and of course a way to minimize or even avoid the Lenz law effect.

If these type of stacked pankakes do the job, congratulations, we are in a very promising path !!!

And thanks for your post
All the best
Alvaro
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