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### Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 820002 times)

#### DeepCut

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #765 on: March 21, 2013, 12:28:10 PM »

I don't understnd the logic in the above statement.   Input power to the motor is 360 watts.  Total output is 384 watts @ 16 watts/coil.   Which means from the out put of 384 Watts if you feed 360 watts back to the motor, you will be left with just 24 watts of useful power output to run your bike.   Will your bike run with just 24 Watts?
Is it a toy bike?

As for I know a 100CC bike produces a power output of 7 to 8 BHP which is around 5 to 6 Kilo Watts to pull two persons sitting on it.

With 24 watts output you can make a toy bike to pull a rat sitting on it.   Am I right?

Yes, you're absolutely right. Apart from the rat bit.

I think the plan is to miniaturise anyone who wants to ride on the bike.

Seriously though, i think you've misread the statement.

If you read the part of the statement that you quoted, it says the 'bike motor', not 'the motor'.

atb,

DC.

#### Newton II

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #766 on: March 21, 2013, 01:58:50 PM »

If you read the part of the statement that you quoted, it says the 'bike motor', not 'the motor'.

DC.

Thanks DC for correcting me.  Does it mean that  the 24 coils produce  384 watts without taking any power input?  In that case the inventor deserves Nobel Prize?
If not what is the input power required to produce 384 watts?

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #767 on: March 21, 2013, 02:03:37 PM »
Newton II,

Thane's "Regenerative Motor Alternator" generates power while under load. The battery's charging while the bike is powered by the 360 watts. This means that you return from the trip with 24 more watts then you left with, after powering the bike for eight hours with the entire 360 watts! That's merely 1/2 a horsepower, but plenty to sail along at average road speed on a flat course. The system only self charges while under load!

They'll be no Nobel Prize for Thane Heins, primarily because the speed up effect of high impedance output coils on magnet rotors was a well established effect, observed by numerous experimenters, long before Thane ever got involved with it.  Everyone went up the same tree with it that Thane's perched in with his complaint of 3 laboratory ransackings. All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple, and sends all his proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 05:17:57 PM by synchro1 »

#### DeepCut

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #768 on: March 21, 2013, 02:10:53 PM »

Thanks DC for correcting me.  Does it mean that  the 24 coils produce  384 watts without taking any power input?  In that case the inventor deserves Nobel Prize?
If not what is the input power required to produce 384 watts?

You could spend time asking lots of questions and i could spend time answering them

OR

You could watch the videos and read the documents, i've started a detailed thread about it over here :

http://www.overunity.com/13398/pdi-regenerative-acceleration-and-bitt-principles/msg355247/#msg355247

Thane will pop in to answer questions as and when he can, too.

It's a very interesting effect, i have been studying it for a while now and it just gets more and more interesting.

Some people cry "impedance matching" or "reactive power", but it's neither.

It violates the work-energy principle completely.

I hope you enjoy learning about it as much as i did and am

All the best,

DC.

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #769 on: March 22, 2013, 06:07:58 AM »
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All Thane's regenerative patents are practically worthless because the effect is too ordinary and well documented going all the way back to Nicola Tesla; Like trying to patent a new food dehydrator! Thane won't address my magnet core discovery, because it's too simple, and sends all his proprietary work to a trash dumpster. The magnet core allows for overunity with a mere fraction of Thane's bulky copper wire coil wraps. I've been sedate about the discovery to not rock Thane's boat, but I'm forcing it out now!

Thanes boat was leaky and sinking from the start, so rocking it won't make any difference, but have I missed something ?
Have you already posted some details of your own setup here on o/uCom ?
Always curious..
Cheers

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #770 on: March 22, 2013, 06:39:39 AM »
Perhaps I've missed something. Have you posted any details of your setup here on o/uCom ?
Always curious..
Cheers

I uploaded stills of the PVC coupling a few comments back on this thread. The most important feature is the tiny precision ceramic bearing. This bearing permits me to accelerate the 3/8" tube magnet over 25k r.p.m. just with a 12 volt reed switch in series with a 12 volt battery and a series wired bifilar thread spool power coil pushed through a small hole in the top of the CD in the picture. It would be meaningless for me to video tape it, because there's nothing more to see when it's running. This protects against high speed magnet fragmentation.

The spinner bursts into a sudden acceleration that doubles it's speed to 50k r.p.m. in a matter of seconds, and amp draw drops to zero.This is way over the switching speed of the Reed switch!  What's going on? I have a few theories: One is there's a high voltage back spike opening the switch. The power coil is so super saturated with flux at top end, it can no longer accept any input current.

The magnet core Lenz propulsion Tesla bifilar output coil seats in the base, so it's entirely enclosed when it's running.  Now, wired to a rectifier, and looped back to the source battery, the charging is phenomenal!. The power coil dosen't consume any amperage at top end, so the Lenz free output coil has no current to fight looped back to the power source. This is an important point.

Skycollection's six pancake coils may work as well packed into the base of the PVC coupling. I plan to try and compare them to the magnet core type when I return home from Costa Rica. This very simple unit is lazy 8 OU. I've been raving about it for over five years now. It dosen't even have a circuit, it's so incredibly simple! Both the power coil and the output coil benifit from the Lenz retardation due to the super fantastic speeds the ceramic bearings permit.

Take a look at Thane Heins's bulky lumbering test bench contraption with the large electric motor etc. It's a mistake to slow the rotor down by applying tourque to the drive shaft. Strictly a motor alternator, this design can power a seperate DC motor from the battery.

The ceramic bearing's visable in the center of the bottem picture. The output coil's not in this picture, but I can post one if you want. It's equally unimpressive. It just pokes up through another pair of CD's on the bottem, and is barely visable when running.

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #771 on: March 22, 2013, 08:49:02 AM »
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The magnet core Lenz propulsion Tesla bifilar output coil seats in the base, so it's entirely enclosed when it's running.
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The output coil's not in this picture, but I can post one if you want.

Thanks for the info and quick response. Indeed, it is a very simple circuit to build and try. And I will build and try it myself. I'll have to order a diametric magnet, I've already looked on the net and they're not expensive and seem easy enough to source.

The only thing I'm not sure about is your description of the output coil. Is it coreless or does it have a metal / ferro or magnet core ??
A fuller description of the output coil would be great.

Cheers and KneeDeep

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #772 on: March 22, 2013, 08:58:25 AM »
Thanks for the info and quick response. Indeed, it is a very simple circuit to build and try. And I will build and try it myself. I'll have to order a diametric magnet, I've already looked on the net and they're not expensive and seem easy enough to source.

The only thing I'm not sure about is your description of the output coil. Is it coreless or does it have a metal / ferro or magnet core ??
A fuller description of the output coil would be great.

Cheers and KneeDeep

Please work back through the last few pages of this thread. I discussed this at great length with Deepcut.

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #773 on: March 22, 2013, 09:07:51 AM »
Please work back through the last few pages of this thread. I discussed this at great length with Deepcut.

Revision done. Thanks for the info.
Cheers

#### synchro1

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #774 on: March 22, 2013, 09:21:44 AM »
Revision done. Thanks for the info.
Cheers

The bearings are very expensive. Here's the website for them. This build looks simple, but attaching the bearings requires patience and craftmanship. I'll help guide you through it. The bearings are absloutly essential to getting the OU results! There's nothing to the output coil. Just a Radio Shack magnet wire spool, wraped full bifilar with green wire, and two 1/2" diametric neo tubes fit snug end to end in the hollow 1/2" diameter plastic spindle core. The power coil is thread spool air core, red wire bifilar. I finished up with a 1/8" carbon fiber rod axel in the end because some light sanding's required to fit the bearings right. The OD of the bearings, of course is 1/4", the same as the ID of the magnet tube hole. Glue is a bad way to fasten them. The Neo tube magnet spinner will rotate seemingly forever with a tiny induced motion, once set in position on those perfect bearings. It spins much faster then Skycollection's levitating bearing design. A bearingless Neo Sphere would accelerate to mach 3 or 4 and disintigrate like Pirate Twinbeard's without the bearing friction to retard the speed up.

http://www.bocabearings.com/
« Last Edit: March 22, 2013, 05:37:03 PM by synchro1 »

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #775 on: March 22, 2013, 09:43:12 AM »

The bearings are very expensive. Here's the website for them. This build looks simple, but attaching the bearings requires patience and craftmanship. I'll help guide you through it. The bearings are absloutly essential to getting the OU results! There's nothing to the output coil. Just a Radio Shack magnet wire spool, wraped full bifilar with green wire, and two 1/2" dametric neo tubes fit snug in the hollow 1/2" core.

http://www.bocabearings.com/

Cheers, its nice to try something different. I have seen similar builds to yours, but not with the diamagnetic rotor and diamagnetic inserts inside the output coil. Sourcing a few things will take me a little time (I'm slow - LOL) , but I'll make the effort and investigate the configuration you've explained.

One thing I'd like to mention. When direct switching with reed switches, use analogue meters to take run time measurements, if possible, not digital meters.  Analogue meters aren't affected by RF interference.

Before, and after run measurements, with DSO's are fine, but the actual sparks produced in the reed switch during run time produce high frequency radio waves that play havoc with most DSM's and DSO's sampling / accuracy.

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #776 on: March 22, 2013, 09:50:42 AM »

The bearings are very expensive. Here's the website for them.
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http://www.bocabearings.com/

Whew, they are expensive! I'll have to get my wife to shop the net for me. She can hunt down a bargain like a hound after a fox!
Thanks again for the info. The most appealing thing about your setup is that it complies with the K.I.S.S. principle.
Cheers

#### DeepCut

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« Reply #777 on: March 23, 2013, 10:53:55 AM »
Whew, they are expensive! I'll have to get my wife to shop the net for me. She can hunt down a bargain like a hound after a fox!
Thanks again for the info. The most appealing thing about your setup is that it complies with the K.I.S.S. principle.
Cheers

If you go to kjmagnetics.com and type diametric in the search box, unfortunately the results page is also full of axially magnetised magnets but just search within the results page (CTRL+F) to find diametric ones like this :

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX04X0

atb,

DC.

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #778 on: March 23, 2013, 01:12:09 PM »
Let's discuss drive circuits. Somehow the rotor has to be driven, then one can try various Tesla style pancake coils or "coils with a diametrically magnetised core à la synchro1" for energy harvesting (hopefully without the Lenz effect):

1) The most simple way is to drive a rotor (having the N S N S magnets for energy generation) with a separate motor, e.g. a DC motor. Jean Louis Naudin uses a brushless motor with a special drive circuit http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE07.htm .

2) An other simple way is to use a reed switch to turn on and off one or several drive coils. It has been suggested by synchro1 to use a "bifilar series solenoid style drive coil". I do not like reed switches because they are not good for high frequency switching and do not last long.

3) I tend towards a drive circuit (driving one or several drive coils) based on a transistor and a sensor coil. Both drive coil and sensor coil could be "bifilar series solenoid style". See my Reply #717 at http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/705/#.UU2YpFfovbE. It is not clear whether that circuit will work with N S N S magnets on the rotor.

4) One could use a hall sensor and a transistor to drive the rotor with a drive coil. Again it is not clear how to do that with  N S N S magnets on a rotor.

May be experimenters could publish their drive circuits and arrangements.

@DeepCut: how do you drive the rotor (one magnet spinner) in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9GJ-BlfiM ? May be you have no objection to publish the circuit (schematics and component specifications).

#### DeepCut

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##### Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #779 on: March 23, 2013, 01:24:21 PM »
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@DeepCut: how do you drive the rotor (one magnet spinner) in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj9GJ-BlfiM ? May be you have no objection to publish the circuit (schematics and component specifications).

I use your option 3 in that setup.

It's the basic inductor circuit used by Adams then Bedini, the sensor or trigger wire is on the same coil-former as the driving/pulsing wire.

Mine isn't particularly efficient, using 7-8 watts to drive that very light, single-magnet rotor, but the rotor can get up to 40,000 RPM depending on the choice of resistor and has generated in excess of 1 kilovolt at 3 or 4 mA in an inductor made of two pounds of wire.

For heavier rotors i use a high quality DC motor from an Audi A8 pump massage system.

All the best,

DC.