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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 880305 times)

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #690 on: March 19, 2013, 01:37:19 PM »
Hi synchro1, lets see if I understand you correctly.

Generator coil:
Wind a cylinder (solenoid style) bi-filar series connected coil with a center opening large enough to accommodate a free spinning cylinder diametric polarized magnet in its inside center will result in a Lenz free generator at any rpm?

Thanks

Luc

The Magnacoaster effect generates the power, not a free spinning magnet. The Magnet should be stationary! Low threshold Lenz free r.p.m.

DeepCut

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GOOD MAGNET PRICES !
« Reply #691 on: March 19, 2013, 01:50:22 PM »
Very good prices on magnets from a supplier in Germany.

They beat ALL my UK suppliers even including postage and currency conversion!

http://www.neomagnete.com/


DC.


synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #692 on: March 19, 2013, 02:18:57 PM »
A stack like these should work fine:

crazycut06

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #693 on: March 19, 2013, 02:23:35 PM »

The Magnacoaster effect generates the power, not a free spinning magnet. The Magnet should be stationary! Low threshold Lenz free r.p.m.


Hi syncro1,


How about solid magnets? Not ring mags.

synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #694 on: March 19, 2013, 02:27:05 PM »
Crazycut,
 
           Solid ones should work just as good. I never tried solid ones, so I can't say for sure.   

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #695 on: March 19, 2013, 02:27:51 PM »
@crazycut

I'd imagine the centre hole isn't necessary but may be useful if you want to stop the magnet rotating by putting some threaded brass (non magnetic) rod through it and clamping it with nuts and washers.


atb,

DC.




crazycut06

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #696 on: March 19, 2013, 02:37:33 PM »
@ syncro1,
I've tried it with solid mags, i got more power out but with more drag, maybe my configuration isn't right...


@Dc,
Thanks for the info.


Regards
Cc


synchro1

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #697 on: March 19, 2013, 02:49:33 PM »
@ syncro1,
I've tried it with solid mags, i got more power out but with more drag, maybe my configuration isn't right...


@Dc,
Thanks for the info.


Regards
Cc

Try speeding the rotor up! You're below threshold r.p.m.

crazycut06

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #698 on: March 19, 2013, 03:00:35 PM »

Try speeding the rotor up! Your below threshold r.p.m.


My rotor is 12 inch dia. With 8 1"x1/2" mags, i think i need to add more magnets or cut the rotor to a smaller size? What do u think guys...


P.s. my rotor speed is about 1,500 rpm.


Regards
Cc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #699 on: March 19, 2013, 03:06:53 PM »

My rotor is 12 inch dia. With 8 1"x1/2" mags, i think i need to add more magnets or cut the rotor to a smaller size? What do u think guys...


P.s. my rotor speed is about 1,500 rpm.


Regards
Cc

The important thing is the frequency the coils are being pulsed at by the magnets.

Your rotor has 8 magnets and is doing 1,500 RPM so the frequency is :

RPM/60 x number of magnets

= 1500/60 (25) x 8 = 200 Hertz.

Good results are to be had from about 400Hz up.

You need to double the frequency by either doubling the number of magnets or doubling the RPM.

I have done some spreadsheets and a couple of programs that you may find handy, let me get the links and i'll post it for you with explanations.


All the best,

DC.


crazycut06

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #700 on: March 19, 2013, 03:20:09 PM »
The important thing is the frequency the coils are being pulsed at by the magnets.

Your rotor has 8 magnets and is doing 1,500 RPM so the frequency is :

RPM/60 x number of magnets

= 1500/60 (25) x 8 = 200 Hertz.

Good results are to be had from about 400Hz up.

You need to double the frequency by either doubling the number of magnets or doubling the RPM.

I have done some spreadsheets and a couple of programs that you may find handy, let me get the links and i'll post it for you with explanations.


All the best,

DC.


Actually im not paying too much attention on computations, just trying and experimentingf irst on coils to get "aul" but no luck until now, so another approach is needed,  i havn't touch my rig for a month now because of frustrations  ;D  Nah! Just giving my brain a little rest once in a while... i'll think of what you have told,
Thanks!


Regards
Cc

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #701 on: March 19, 2013, 03:40:24 PM »
You will end up needing to do calculations, trust me :)

OK i've uploaded some of my spreadsheets and programs that you may find helpful.

They are in a RAR archive, you can open them by getting WinRAR :

http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR-32-bit/3000-2250_4-10007677.html

The programs need BlitzPlus (a BASIC compiler) to run.

You can get BlitzPlus for free here, just scroll down until you see the BlitzPlus product on the left :

http://www.blitzbasic.com/Products/_index_.php

Programs.

The program called 'rotor.bb' enables you to visualise how your coils and magnets interact using a simple 2D drawing.

The program is a bit rough and ready as it's just for my use, but if you've never seen code before, don't worry, it's easy to modify.

You need to enter your own falues for the following variables that you will easily spot in the listing :

rot_diam              (Your rotor diameter in millimetres)
num_mags           (The number of magnets on your rotor)
num_coils             (The number of coils in your setup)
mag_diam             (The diameter of your magnets, sorry if yours are square but it's just for visualisation)
coil_diam              (The diameter of your coil)
core_diam             (The diameter of your core)

Then run the program and press any key to step through a rotation of the rotor.

The program called 'vcb_core.bb' is a virtual coil builder, i have checked it with real coils and quite a few online calculators and it compares well, with around 3% accuracy.

The variables you have to enter your own values for here are :

barrel_length           (The length of your coil-former's central tube)
barrel_diam             (The diameter of your coil-former's central tube)
wire_diam                (The diameter of your wire in millimetre)
wire_res                  (Your wire resistance per millimetre)
target_coil_res         (The target resistance you want the final coil to have)

Run the program and it will tell you the inductance/resistance plus physical properties of the coil as well as drawing a side profile of the final coil.

I use this to calculate the barrel length and coil dimensions that will maximise my inductance.

So, if i have a pound of wire, this program will tell me the best way to wind it because i know the resistance of a pound of wire of a certain gauge and can set that as the target.

Spreadsheets.

The spreadsheets are in MS Excel format, if you don't have MS office you can use it online here :

https://skydrive.live.com/

Or get OpenOffice here :

http://www.openoffice.org/

The spreadsheet called 'Coil Output' will tell you how many turns you need on a coil to get a specific, average, rectified DC output.

You input the blue sections and it outputs the green and yellow sections.

If you have rectangular magnets, just set the circular magnet diameter to zero.

If you have circular magnets, set the rectangular magnet sides to zero.

The spreadsheet called 'Time Constant' calculates lots of handy info.

You input lines 1 to 8 and it outputs all the rest.

They are all here in one file :

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?udx87dxy472dfk2

I hope you (and anyone else) finds them as handy as i do :)


All the best,

DC.

conradelektro

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #702 on: March 19, 2013, 04:11:06 PM »
@synchro1: Just for the dumb ones like me.

I attach a picture of a "diametric polarized ring magnet". Is that what you talk about?

http://www.magnet-shop.net/Neodym-Magnete/Ringmagnete/Ringmagnet-200-x-40-x-70-mm-N35-Nickel-DIAMETRAL::1568.html

Greetings, Conrad

DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #703 on: March 19, 2013, 04:25:13 PM »
Yes conrad that is it, magnetized through it's axis so that one curved side is N and the other curved side is S.


all the best,

DC.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #704 on: March 19, 2013, 04:25:55 PM »
HERE IS YOUR ("INGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS") LESSON FOR THE DAY BOYS AND GIRLS...   
 
Cheers
Thane
 
 -------- Original Message --------
Subject: ReGenX and Impedance Matching...
From: Stefan Hartmann hartiberlin@gmail.com
Date: Mon, March 18, 2013 8:09 pm
To: thaneh@potentialdifference.ca,   
 
Hi Thane,
to me "impedance matching"  also means:   
 
DEAR STEFAN,   
 
WHAT IT "MEANS" TO YOU IS IRRELEVANT SINCE,   
 
EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS - BUT NOT THEIR OWN FACTS. ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Reducing the load on the input power by matching the right load at the output...

Exactly this you are doing...   
 
NOT TRUE AT ALL (AND THIS IS A FORM OF MALICIOUS SCIENTIFIC SLANDER BASED IN IGNORANCE WHICH SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED), AND WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE OVER UNITY FORUM TERMS OF USE IF SHARED: "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate"...   
 
SINCE A DEAD SHORT IS AN INFINITE LOAD AND YOU CAN'T GET A HIGHER LOAD THAN THAT. AND THE ReGenX GENERATOR CREATES THE MOST ACCELERATION WITH A DEAD SHORT (IE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF LIGHT BULBS (LOADS) CONNECTED IN PARALLEL) AND WORKS BEST WITH PURELY RESISTIVE LOADS.   
 
THE "IMPEDANCE MATCHING" IDEA IS COMPLETLY FALSE, INACCURATE AND PURE BALONEY!   
 
But you don´t yet get more power out than in.   
 
YES WE DO (ANOTHER FALSE AND INACCURATE STATEMENT BASED IN IGNORANCE) AND I EXPLAIN WHY BELOW... TO THOSE WHO ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO COMPREHEND IT WILL BE CLEAR.   
 
I ALWAYS FIND IT AMAZING THAT THE FOUNDER OF AN OU FORUM CAN'T EVEN SEE OU WHEN IT HAS BEEN STARING HIM IN THE FACE FOR OVER 5 YEARS.

If you are still using your yellow motor for testing and still no flywheel, you will not see, if you can raise the RPM on the purely passive flywheel by appling your Regen-X coil load...

Only this test would be valid and will show, if adding your Regen-X system will not drag the Flywheel RPM totally down over time.   
 
NO IT WILL NOT (AND AGAIN MORE IGNORANCE)...   
 
SINCE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CORE MATERIAL ON THE PLANET THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE SOME SORT OF HYSTERESIS EFFECT (MAGNETIC DRAG), AND REMNANT FLUX IN THE CORE REQUIRING ADDITIONAL DRIVE SHAFT COERCIVE FORCE TO EXTRACT IT. (THE COMPANY THAT CREATES ONE WILL RULE THE WORLD BTW)   
 
THE ReGenX GENERATOR OPERATES ON THE VERY SAME PRINCIPLE AS DO ALL GENERATORS I.E. COILS WITH CORES - SO IN THAT SENSE IT IS EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO ANY OTHER GENERATOR ON THE PLANET (THAT HAS CORES). 
 
HYSTERESIS, REMNANT FLUX, AND DRIVE SHAFT COERCIVE FORCE REQUIREMENTS WILL ALL BE DEALT WITH IN MANUFACTURING IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

So putting a Regen-X system on any motor will just need additional input power, cause your coil rods are dragging the motor down.   
 
WE DON'T USE "RODS" WE USE M3 AND ABOVE FERROMAGNETIC LAMINATIONS TO MINIMIZE CORE HYSTERESIS AS DO ALL GOOD GENERATORS AND MOTORS ON PLANET EARTH.

Why aren´t you just doing the run test on your E-Bike ?   
 
WHO SAYS WE ARE NOT?  ???

Just let the E-Bike run WITHOUT the Regen-X system and see how long the 36 Volts batteries will last and the attach again the Regen-X system and let the bike again run the 36 Volts Battery pack run down by recharging the 36 Volts battery pack from the output of your coils.   
 
THE 24 COILS ON THE INFINITE RANGE eBIKE PROJECT WILL DELIVER A MINIMUM OF 384 WATTS OR 16 WATTS/COIL.   THE BIKE MOTOR WILL CONSUME A MAXIMUM OF 360 WATTS.   
 
ONCE COMPLETE THE INFINITE RANGE eBIKE WILL RUN "FOREVER" AS PLANNED JUST AS WE DID AT OU (OTTAWA U WITH THE BYONX eBIKE).  8)

As you already have all the parts in place, why don´t you do these tests ?

Regards, Stefan.   
 
MORE IGNORANCE AND MORE FAULTY ASSUMPTIONS - ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT IN PLACE...   
 
ALL 24 COILS HAVE TO BE REWOUND AND 2 MORE ROTORS HAVE TO BE MADE AND INSTALLED WITH 2 NEW COIL JIGS ETC.  :P     
 

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OVER-UNITY AND PERPETUAL MOTION     

 
BELLOW IS THE CORRECT WAY TO EVALUATE ANY ELECTRIC GENERATOR:   
 
AN ELECTRIC GENERATOR IS A DEVICE WHICH CONVERTS MECHANICAL POWER INTO ELECTRICAL POWER.   
 
THE INPUT TO THE GENERATOR IS THE MECHANICAL POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT WHICH IS EQUAL TO THE TORQUE X THE SPEED.   
 
THE OUTPUT IS THE ELECTRICAL POWER DELIVERED TO THE LOAD.     
 
ALL GENERATORS ARE EVALUATED (EFFICIENCY WISE) BY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY ARE PLACED ON-LOAD NOT BEFORE (DURING NO-LOAD).   
 
FOR EXAMPLE:   
 
THE HYDROELECTRIC GENERATOR ON THE RIVER IN OUR TOWN REQUIRES 500 KW OF MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER JUST TO IDLE ON NO-LOAD!  :P   
 
A LARGE WIND TURBINE WOULD BE EVEN WORSE AND REQUIRE EVEN MORE NO-LOAD IDLING ENERGY AND OFTEN THE WIND TURBINE'S GENERATOR IS USED AS A MOTOR TO BRING THE BLADES UP TO SPEED. ALSO OFTEN DONE TO TRICK THE TOWN FOLK WHEN THE WIND IS LOW BUT THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THEIR TURBINE TURNING INSTEAD OF SITTING IDLE.   
 
A DIESEL MOTOR WILL POWER A LARGE GENERATOR ON NO-LOAD WITH A LARGE FUEL CONSUMPTION - WITH ZERO POWER IN THE DRIVE SHAFT, ZERO GENERATOR OUTPUT AND ZERO EFFICIENCY.   
 
THE IDLING NO-LOAD MECHANICAL ENERGY REQUIREMENTS ARE NEVER EVER PART OF THE EFFICIENCY CALCULATION. IF THEY WERE MOST GENERATORS WOULD BE LESS THAN 10% EFFICIENT AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE.   
 
IT IS THE ON-LOAD MECHANICAL ENERGY INPUT INCREASE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT NOT THE NO-LOAD IDLING PRIME MOVER POWER CONSUMPTION.   
 
I.E. A GENERATOR THAT DELIVERS 0.8 WATTS TO THE LOAD WITH A 1 WATT INCREASE IN ON-LOAD MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER OVER THE NO-LOAD STARTING POINT IS 80% EFFICIENT - EVEN THOUGH THE NO-LOAD MECHANICAL ENERGY INPUT MAY BE 500 KW AND THE TOTAL INPUT 500,001 WATTS WITH AN OUTPUT OF 0.8 WATTS!   
 
SO IF YOU HAVE A GENERATOR THAT ACCELERATES ON-LOAD ANY LOAD (AND YOU ARE NOT SOMEHOW REDUCING NO-LOAD MECHANICAL LOSSES IN THE PROCESS THEN YOU HAVE OVER-UNITY) CONGRATULATIONS!  ;)
 
SATURATING THE CORE AND REDUCING ROTOR FLUX PENETRATION WOULD BE A FORM OF NO-LOAD LOSS REDUCTION BECAUSE THE HYSTERESIS EFFECTS WOULD BE REDUCED (BUT THE CORE WOULD QUICKLY OVERHEAT AND FAIL)  :o 
 
AS WOULD LEVITATING THE GENERATOR OFF THE BEARINGS OR SUPERCONDUCTING YOUR COILS ETC. WHEN PLACING IT ON-LOAD.

BTW THE NET MECHANICAL INPUT POWER TO ANY GENERATOR AT ANY STEADY STATE SPEED IS 0.00 WATTS BECAUSE THE NET TORQUE WILL ALWAYS BE ZERO AND MECHANICAL INPUT POWER = TORQUE X SPEED.   
 
IF THE SYSTEM ACCELERATES ON-LOAD THEN THE MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT POWER INCREASES (OVER THE NO-LOAD STARTING POINT) + THE LOAD POWER ADDED TOGETHER ARE MORE THAN THE NO-LOAD STARTING POINT ... THE GENERATOR IS OVER-UNIY ALTHOUGH NOT PERPETUAL MOTION.  :'(   
 
IF YOU CAN DELIVER SUSTAINED POWER TO A LOAD (OR LOADS) WITH A REDUCTION IN NO-LOAD IDLING INPUT POWER REQUIREMENT THEN EVEN BETTER.  ;D   
 
ANY GENERATOR THAT CAN DELIVER 1 WATT OF ELECTRICAL POWER WITH ONLY A 1 WATT INCREASE IN MECHANICAL DRIVE SHAFT INPUT POWER INCREASE (OVER THE N0-LOAD STARTING POINT) IS 100% EFFICIENT.   
 
IT GOES UP OR DOWN FROM THERE... NOT HAVING TO INCREASE THE MECHANICAL INPUT WHILE DELIVERING 0.0000000000000000000000000001^N=INFINITY WATTS IS OVER-UNITY.  :D   
 
THE ReGenX GENERATOR DELIVERS 1 WATT OF ELECTRICAL POWER TO ITS LOADS + AN INCREASE IN MECHANICAL OUTPUT WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN DRIVE SHAFT MECHANICAL INPUT POWER AND INCLUDES A REDUCTION IN PRIME MOVER INPUT.   
 
PERPETUAL MOTION IN THIS CASE REQUIRES AN OVER-UNITY GENERATOR CONFIGURATION WHEREBY THE ELECTRICAL OUTPUT EXCEEDS THE ELECTRICAL INPUT POWER AND ALL THE RESISTIVE LOSSES IN THE SYSTEM WHICH IS A TALL ORDER BECAUSE THE RESISTIVE LOSSES INCREASE AS SYSTEM SPEED INCREASES  :P   
 
BUT IT CAN AND HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND WILL BE DONE AGAIN.  ;)   
 
REGARDS Thane

ps
THE DAY I CREATED A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY (ATTACHED)