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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 779588 times)

Offline DeepCut

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #645 on: March 06, 2013, 12:31:56 PM »

What do you mean you didn't see any measurements? You don't believe that diametric magnets will cause Lenz delay placed in the core of an output coil simply because you're being told that by me? Why don't you try it and find out. This is an important discovery.

You carry on doing what you're doing synch.

The only thing some people seem capable of building is a bad reputation for themselves.


All the best,

DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #646 on: March 06, 2013, 01:13:01 PM »
You carry on doing what you're doing synch.

The only thing some people seem capable of building is a bad reputation for themselves.


All the best,

DC.

Lay off the ad hominums!

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #647 on: March 06, 2013, 01:16:06 PM »

Lay off the ad hominums!

Yes you're right, i shouldn't waste my time.



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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #648 on: March 06, 2013, 02:43:39 PM »
Synchro1:

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What do you mean you didn't see any measurements? You don't believe that diametric magnets will cause Lenz delay placed in the core of an output coil simply because you're being told that by me?

Did I miss something?  Do you show any measurements anywhere with a multimeter or an oscilloscope?  Just because somebody says something doesn't necessarily mean it's true.  You built a pulse motor and that's all that I see.  I don't see any "discovery" unless you can clearly articulate and document what you are talking about.  That's real life for you.

DeepCut:

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The only thing some people seem capable of building is a bad reputation for themselves.

You are back to sulking in a corner.  Another gratuitous ad hominem attack from you for no reason.  Indeed, stop wasting your time and get yourself together.  I don't need your nonsensical sourpuss bashing.  If I thought that Synchro1 had something unique and of merit I would say that but all that I see is an ordinary pulse motor.  Life is so tough sometimes.

Anyway, I am going to leave this thread because there is nothing here.

MileHigh

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #649 on: March 06, 2013, 04:11:25 PM »
Coil gauss is directly proportional to Lenz delay: Wether rotor induced in a single primary, or by diametric output core magnet; The flux saturation retards the pole shift in proportion to it's strength in both cases. I achieved self motoring from both ends. Once the coil gauss reaches delay saturation, the pole shit lags behind TDC and produces a shove. Lenz's law states that as the rotor magnet pole nears the output coil it induces an opposite pole that repels it. Forced to fight a powerful background field, the slowing pole can't fully manifest itself in time to slow the rotor down, and lags so far, it gives it a kick instead. Lenz delay overunity is that simple to understand and to succeed at replicating.
 
The effect jumps at Barkhausen intervals, not linearly. "These magnetization jumps are interpreted as discrete changes in the size or rotation of ferromagnetic domains. Some microscopic clusters of atomic spins aligned with the external magnetizing field increase in size by a sudden reversal of neighboring spins; and, especially as the magnetizing field becomes relatively strong, other whole domains suddenly turn into the direction of the external field". (Wikipedia).
 
  "SUDDEN REVERSAL OF NEIGHBORHOOD SPINS" 'WHOLE DOMAINS SUDDENLY TURN INTO THE DIRECTION OF THE EXTERNAL FIELD".

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #650 on: March 06, 2013, 06:51:10 PM »

... Dragone patented the Magnet pump Generator. Two disk magnets on each end of a core winding. The field oscillation inside the magnet core output coil accounts for a good share of the abundant amperage. All the time, the slowed pole shift from very powerful magnet core field interference, motors the prime mover like a pulse coil. The power agitated by the spinner hepls drive the rotor magnet with greater force. Three great advantages in one!

Hi synchro1,

I searched for Dragone Magnet pump Generator but I found only one patent (application) by Leon Dragone: Electro Entropic Generator, patent (application) number is GR871255. Is that what you meant?  If you did not mean that please refer to his patent you really meant. 
(this is a link to the Greek patent (application): http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=GR&NR=871255A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19870814&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP )

I know there have been a Dragone paper on the net for many years but it not a patent (if you meant that).

Gyula

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #651 on: March 06, 2013, 07:28:02 PM »
This PDF of Leon's is somewhat turgid, but in the final diagram, one can see that the permanent magnet field is pushed over to one side at an angle of 45 Degrees by the coil charge sandwiched between the disk magnets. Note the size of the disk magnets and their polarity.


http://www.esmhome.org/library/leon-dragone/energetics-of-ferromagnetism-leon-dragone.pdf
 
The conclusion is that PM magnorestriction by coil field, generates power, because the PM has to do more work to realign itself, and eats ambient room heat to restructure on the quantum plane. Leon mentions the "barkhausen" interval too. I believe the same effect helps make the magnet core output coil O.U. My Dragone experiments demonstrated the PM field return generating power in the relaxation phase of the pulse coil.
 
There is "Magnorestriction" around the PM fields in the output coil, when the tardy pole shift finaly manifests itself. A current appears in the output coil from relaxation phase. This event follows and reinforces the retro-pulse.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #652 on: March 06, 2013, 08:37:24 PM »
...

DeepCut:

You are back to sulking in a corner.  Another gratuitous ad hominem attack from you for no reason.  Indeed, stop wasting your time and get yourself together.  I don't need your nonsensical sourpuss bashing.  If I thought that Synchro1 had something unique and of merit I would say that but all that I see is an ordinary pulse motor.  Life is so tough sometimes.

Anyway, I am going to leave this thread because there is nothing here.

MileHigh

Always with the 'sulking in a corner', what corner of your consciousness is that coming from, i wonder ?

You know why you were kicked off OUR and you know your reputation with most of us so you know exactly where i'm coming from.

You have a reputation for being so repeatedly negative that you have ruined threads and scared off more sensitive souls than i.

Anyway i'm glad you've left the thread and i'm even more glad you've learnt a little Latin while you were here.

I hope you find some positivity somewhere MH.


DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #653 on: March 06, 2013, 08:47:03 PM »
This PDF of Leon's is somewhat turgid, but in the final diagram, one can see that the permanent magnet field is pushed over to one side at an angle of 45 Degrees by the coil charge sandwiched between the disk magnets. Note the size of the disk magnets and their polarity.


http://www.esmhome.org/library/leon-dragone/energetics-of-ferromagnetism-leon-dragone.pdf
 
The conclusion is that PM magnorestriction by coil field, generates power, because the PM has to do more work to realign itself, and eats ambient room heat to restructure on the quantum plane. Leon mentions the "barkhausen" interval too. I believe the same effect helps make the magnet core output coil O.U. My Dragone experiments demonstrated the PM field return generating power in the relaxation phase of the pulse coil.
 
There is "Magnorestriction" around the PM fields in the output coil, when the tardy pole shift finaly manifests itself. A current appears in the output coil from relaxation phase. This event follows and reinforces the retro-pulse.

So it IS more than simply retarding the rise-time.

That explains why the effect is stronger and stronger at higher and higher frequencies and there is no wrap-around into deceleration-under-load bands.

It may also explain why it is possible to short or load the coil, get your acceleration and your current input drop, then UN-short/load the coil and the decreased curent draw and increase acceleration remain in effect.

More and more interesting, thanks synchro.


All the best,

DC.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #654 on: March 06, 2013, 11:29:56 PM »
Leon Dragone outlines the very simple nature of his electrical 'heat pump'
effect. His system consists of nothing more than a coil, a magnet, a power
supply, and a switch. He places a permanent magnet within a copper coil and
energizes the coil so that the external field of the magnet is
removed/compressed from the space around the magnet, without changing the
polarity domains within the magnet itself. He then employs an arc switch
(simple contacts) to quickly disconnect the power supply from the coil, and
leaves the coil open circuit. Suddenly the field of the permanent magnet is
free to expand back out to its 'normal' geometry around the magnet. But the
process of expanding this field requires work. The coil is open circuit, so
the energy can not be drawn from current in the coil. The field must
reinstate itself. Energy is drawn from the vibrating molecular domains
within the magnet, causing a measured drop in temperature of the magnet.
Essentially, ambient heat is transformed into work to reinstate the field.
Any inductive load applied while the field is expanding/relaxing is driven
by extraction of ambient heat energy from the surrounding enviroment.
Dragone claims to have measured experimental system energy gains on the
order of 20:1, using this approach.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #655 on: March 06, 2013, 11:45:20 PM »
Leon Dragone outlines the very simple nature of his electrical 'heat pump'
effect. His system consists of nothing more than a coil, a magnet, a power
supply, and a switch. He places a permanent magnet within a copper coil and
energizes the coil so that the external field of the magnet is
removed/compressed from the space around the magnet, without changing the
polarity domains within the magnet itself. He then employs an arc switch
(simple contacts) to quickly disconnect the power supply from the coil, and
leaves the coil open circuit. Suddenly the field of the permanent magnet is
free to expand back out to its 'normal' geometry around the magnet. But the
process of expanding this field requires work. The coil is open circuit, so
the energy can not be drawn from current in the coil. The field must
reinstate itself. Energy is drawn from the vibrating molecular domains
within the magnet, causing a measured drop in temperature of the magnet.
Essentially, ambient heat is transformed into work to reinstate the field.
Any inductive load applied while the field is expanding/relaxing is driven
by extraction of ambient heat energy from the surrounding enviroment.
Dragone claims to have measured experimental system energy gains on the
order of 20:1, using this approach.

I wonder if this is what Magnacoaster (Richard Willis) found?

Interesting ;)   

Thanks for sharing

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #656 on: March 07, 2013, 12:35:03 AM »
The following's the abstract from the Magnacoaster Patent. Identical to Leon's Magnet Pump in construction:
 
"An electrical generator comprises an induction coil having a first end and a second end. There is a first magnet disposed adjacent the first end of the induction coil so as to be in the electromagnetic of the induction coil when the induction coil is energized, and for creating a magnetic field around at least the first end of the induction coil. There is also a second magnet disposed adjacent the second end of the induction coil so as to be in the electromagnetic field of the induction coil when the induction coil is energized, and for creating a magnetic field around at least the second end of the induction coil. A power input circuit portion provides power to the induction coil. A timer is disposed in the power input circuit portion for creating electrical pulses and controlling the timing of the electrical pulses to the induction coil. A power output circuit portion receives power from the induction coil".

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #657 on: March 09, 2013, 03:58:16 PM »
Check this new Lenz delay video out from MrAnguswangus:

Output coil adjacency raises gauss levels in each and other coil through mutual reinforcing "Field Lock.". The PMH background field reduces Lenz delay threshold propulsion R.P.M. These Leedskalnin coils, reverse wound to one another, generate a strong background field in attraction. This strong background field interferes with the rotor induced output coil magnetic pole shift interval, and creates the propulsion lag at lower R.P.M ' S.  This is the same effect I get with the diametric core magnets, minus the Magnacoaster output. He's setup to neasure his COP in horse power.
 
Reconnecting the horseshoe laminations with a small pancake coil in between to regulate magnetic density in the output coils, would help control delay threshold r.p.m's. The question remains wether or not additional pairs of ridgid field reinforcing pole shift dampening coils would help or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTXV3tURiH4&feature=em-subs_digest&list=TLtuh4M0PVF_4
« Last Edit: March 09, 2013, 06:45:53 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #658 on: March 09, 2013, 04:46:07 PM »
Check this new Lenz delay video out from MrAnguswangus:

Output coil adjacency raises gauss levels in each and other coil through mutual reinforcement, and reduces Lenz delay threshold propulsion R.P.M. These Leedskalnin coils, reverse wound to one another, generate a strong background field in attraction. This strong background field interferes with the rotor induced output coil magnetic pole shift interval, and creates the propulsion lag at lower R.P.M ' S.  This is the same effect I get with the diametric core magnets, minus the Magnacoaster output. He's setup to neasure his COP in horse power.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTXV3tURiH4&feature=em-subs_digest&list=TLtuh4M0PVF_4


Im amazed that he can still get speed underload even if the core is divided into two? Wonder if the effect is still present if he move the coils 180 degrees apart?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #659 on: March 09, 2013, 07:51:17 PM »
I've searched his channel but can't find a video of a test i'd like to see, the rotor speed with no coil/core present. I must message him.


DC.